[Closed] Planet X/On One Gravel Bikes

Is this a thing? Seen a lot of others replying to create visibility

Not specifically answering your question, but I've had two bikes from them over the past couple of years, a Full Monty SL and the new Pro Carbon. They were both well packed and assembled, no damage, were as described and perform as expected. So all good really.

A friend's Space Chicken cracked, in the middle of the top tube. An unusual failure, not likely to be anything other than build, but they fought it long and hard before eventually accepting that he wasn't to blame. Replacement frame is ok approx 9 months later.

Wife's 'gravel' bike is a rebuild of a 4 year old XLS, and thats still going strong.

OK, not exactly a ringing endorsement but probably no worse than other brands?

I bought a carbon XLS as a commuter/CXer/offroad explorer, the only regret I have is not waiting till the Freeranger came out as (for me) that would have been the ultimate Doitall bike. I have 3 sets of wheels that I use on it, as the clearance on the back is lacking(I was warned)so it needs 650b to let me use bigger tyres. I think the XLS is brilliant and very capable, so much so that I still haven't got my summer road bike out the attic yet.

I got a carbon dirty disco a few years ago, £750 cycle to work. As well as cycling to work I've ridden the yorks three peaks cyclocross race on it three times and would have done again had they run it last year. Buying was straightforward and it shows no signs of breaking.

This I'll helpful stuff, I will check out the XLS not seen it. I wa thinking of the free ranger as more what (I think) I am looking for. Mild off road with bits of on road

Bought a Full Monty 2 years ago with Apex 1, not missed a beat.

Bought a Freeranger a couple of months ago with Force 1, like-wise. Put new wheels on this, 25mm internals and running 700x50c.

Recommended and VFM.

OK, not exactly a ringing endorsement but probably no worse than other brands?

Not just worse. A lot worse.

Pile em high and sell em cheap, majority get no issues but if you do get issues good luck, as those cheap prices don’t pay for decent service. Especially if you get one of a batch of frames that they sent the wrong measurements to China for, or they forgot that people like to use all of their cassette or wider tyres or whatever.
Check out the infamous “wizards sleeve2 seat tube debacle. There’s plenty more examples on top of that too.

Ran a space chicken for a year before moving it on. Great bike.

Mate has space chicken(recent purchase) all good.

Other riding buddy has their titanium gravel bike again all good 🙂

Heard good things about the ribble gravel bikes but think it’s a loooong wait for one

No gravel bikes from them, but a 456, Fatty, Fatty Trail and a Scandal from them without any unresolved.

They went above and beyond to resolve an issue on the Fatty that wouldn't go away. Headset wouldnt stay adjusted and would knock after even a short ride. In the end it was traced to a stem that wasn't quite flat. And gave me a new set of carbon bars for my trouble.

Also had a Floater tyre explode, and the odd bit of clothing returned because it didnt fit. All refunded or replaced promptly.

They're fashionable to hate, but then I've never been fashionable.

Again, not gravel bikes (nearly though) - bought a brace of Whippets and they're great. Open mould frames, but everything was assembled fine and we've had no issues as yet.

Dumb question what is open mould and what is wrong/not great about them?

If PX/OO arent great what else should I consider for the sub 2k bracket?

I've had a couple of bikes, and loads of other stuff from them over the years, never any problem.
I had a kaffenback on order, they called whilst it was being built and asked me if I minded getting a (free) upgrade on the groupset because they'd run out of what I ordered, which was nice.

(I would also have got myself a Free Ranger too, but was too puzzled about the size guide putting me at 6ft on a medium)

AND it looks like they're actually building and selling bikes, everyone else seems to be stuck due to delays with stock, so no bikes till winter YMMV

Dumb question what is open mould and what is wrong/not great about them?

When making a carbon frame the expensive bit is the tooling, having to make 5+ different moulds for different sizes is expensive. So lots of brands buy frames made in the factories moulds and have them painted/snickered. There may be variations in carbon quality and layup between different brands using the same moulds.

I'm not 100% sure it's as common as it used to be. There was definitely a time when every Planet X, Dolan, Ribble and Tiffosi was instantly recognisable in a catalogue.

And there's different ways of doing it. E.g. Planet X apparently didn't have the money to pay for moulds for their original track (or was it TT?) frame so had the factory make them but the factory was allowed to keep the moulds for other clients. Which lead to the odd scenario where they had a tour de France winning TT bike as another brand (which didnt have one of its own) was stickering up Planet X bikes! Similarly the track frame was the winningest of all time or some such record if you included all the other brands and national teams borrowing it.

If PX/OO arent great what else should I consider for the sub 2k bracket?

Mate's just taken delivery of a Ribble - they seem to have stock and components as I think he only ordered a month or so ago.

I have a Pickenflick that I’m very happy with. Also have a Fatty Trail and have had multiple Inbreds and 456s in the past. No problems with any of them and good service from Planet X.

I bought an early Free Ranger so I’ve had it 18 months.No problem with frame or paint finish,rides well and has been a joy to ride.It ticked all my boxes,like carbon frame,bsa threaded BB,1x11,outrageous paint schemes.Wheels are basic but tubeless ready,I run mine tubeless with 38c Schwalbe G One Bites.

Dislikes are out of PX control,I don’t like the SRAM and would have preferred Shimano.On mine I have added a Redshift stem and Specialized CG-R elastomer seat post.Force brakes squeaked like pigs,changed to Hope RX4 calipers,problem solved.SRAM bottom brackets didn’t last so changed to Hope.SRAM jockey wheel bearings wore out so changed to Hope jockey wheels (there’s a trend developing here).

Bottom line is that it’s been a fantastic bike and if it was stolen tomorrow I would replace it with another.There is too much brand snobbery around direct sale bikes but I only paid £1500 pre COVID for mine and for the money it couldn’t be beaten.You have to be capable of doing your own servicing but most people on here are.The Carbonda 696 frame seems to be well regarded everywhere.The funniest thing I came across was a small “boutique” brand offering a Carbonda 696 framed gravel bike in their colours,SRAM force equipped for £4000,go figure.

will shortly be heading out on my Procarbon disc with SRAM Force hydraulic groupset. I probably won't be very quick though, the £500+ notes I saved over similar carbon plus Ultegra level 'brand name' bikes really weighs me down.

Plus they had stock.

Have also have Inbreds and never had an issue with quality or customer service.

There are a few that are very quick to complain when they've had poor experiences and that is fine; absolutely their right. But I suspect the silent majority would disagree, if we weren't out riding.

Ref. open mould frames - no idea who OO/PX use for the gravel bikes, or if they're even open mould at all, but this is the Whippet: http://www.flybike-asia.com/product/175.html

Ok so it sounds like a goer, good to hear. I get what open mould means now, I thought it might have been a construction technique.

So I guess forced is better than rival given the price difference and weight difference, is it worth it?

What colour is best?!

What colour is best?!

Orange.

@devonboy what size did you buy and how tall are you?

Large 56cm and I am just on 6ft tall.Please don’t get me started on PX sizing guide.I went on stack and reach and this gives me the right feel and seating position however as always I use a shorter 80mm stem.In the end it’s personal preference but I prefer a higher front end.

This is what makes it hard.

I am v unfamiliar with drop bar sizing.

I am 175cm with short legs (78cm)

I ride a small genesis croix de fer which I think is too small as it feels too cramped in the drops, but it's the o lying drop bar I've ever had so maybe they should?!

I've got a London Road, 2 and a bit years old, Hydraulic Rival. Whilst not strictly a gravel bike its got fairly massive tyre clearance (currently running 700 42's) Its done everything: commuting, road, gravel singletrack, bikepacking and 1000s of KM on Zwift and hasn't missed a beat. I've only changed the chain and brake pads. Best £750 I've ever spent on a bike! Only issue I had is they sent the wrong size initially, but couldn't do enough to rectify it even though Id ridden the bike for a few weeks.

Thanks Tom,

Happy to order a free ranger just trying to figure out size now

I had an Inbred 29er that's was all good. Currently have a London road (5 or 6 years old now) and a pro carbon Evo.

LR I bought frame only and it's been great, done thousands of miles, been a commuter road bike, endurance road bike and is now my gravel bike.

Pro carbon Evo was a full bike buy, and came very well packaged and assembled, and is a cracking bike. 5'9" 31" inseam on a medium

I'd happily buy another from them but would also like fancier names....

Tempest owner here, fantastic frame but didn't get on with the Sram Rival so swapped out for GRX. It's not missed a beat from 1000s of commuting miles to last Sunday's Cotswolds Cross Off-road Sportif. Third Planet X/On-One bike I've owned and I have never had an issue.

I've had 2 inbreds a 456 some carbon mtb with odd forks , 3 pompinos, and rt57 (probably more tbh but ive had that many bikes I cant remember, ive currently got a London road with sram rival that Ive been using on club runs with local club , not had a single problem with any of them

Got a free ranger it's currently low mileage due to lack of riding time but I've really enjoyed riding it.

The "inside of the egg" paintjob is a bit marmite (I love it, it's got a hint of 70's tank top colour scheme about it and as a child of the 70s...).

Still trying to get to grips with tyres and pressures.

I'm 5'10 on a medium, long body short legs. It's long enough but I could do with raising the bars a bit and adding 10mm of stem length for a better fit.

Over the years I've had 4 inbreds, 3 456s a parkwood and a full monty sl.

Still have the parkwood and full monty and no thoughts of getting rid of them. Admittedly I bought them as frames and not full bikes.

The full monty is great, can run 43mm tyres and it rides great. I wish the stack was higher and wish forks had rack/cage mounts.

Size wise I'm 6'3 and ride an xl. Long legs so saddle is high but I've had to stick tonnes of spacers under the stem and get a 17°stem on it. Bars are still 5cm bellow saddle

Thanks all,

@garage-dweller you sound similar build to me, what size space chicken did you get?

Late to the party, but my wife loves her Space Chicken. 2 years old, no problems. She’s 5 7, I’m 5 9 (with looong legs, fwiw sizing wise) and the medium is right for both of us. Super pleased with it.

@ravingdave

I'm on a medium (Free Ranger)

Have a friend who's a couple of inches taller at 6' who rides a large space chicken.

I think I made the right call for me because of standover height. The only thing I might need to try for fit is sliding the saddle back a bit and/or a flipped 10-20mm longer stem compared to the default. I'm a bit inflexible and prone to getting neck ache so I want a slightly taller but not shorter front end than the spacers allow (my road bike is set up similarly, I've just not done the Free Ranger that way yet).

One more thing if you want to do anything more than basic gravel seriously consider getting the 650b version.

I didn't (despite advice on here) and went for 700c. I've ended up riding it on some relatively rough stuff compared to what I originally planned (rough roads and gravel tracks) and although it's still pretty capable on rougher off road I have found more than once that some extra cushioning on the south downs would have been welcome.

I ride a 29r MTB so was firmly in bigger is better. Now wondering how to sneak some 650b wheels into the shed as well 🤫

I have a very battered On One Dirty Disco - frame and fork bought from On One on eBay for 400 quid or something daft. It's been horribly abused, ridden over stuff like the Roych and Cut Gate along with a lot of less stupid stuff on and off road. Mostly it's been fine, but it cracked the headtube and one seat-stay eventually. Both fixed by Rob Hayles. The late Mike Hall rode round the world on a Dirty Disco btw.

The missus has a carbon Planet X XLS and it's been fine.

Basically you know what you're getting, which is a decent enough, middle ground frame without a posh name or frills and frippery. I've never experienced Planet X customer service, but bear in mind that Dave Loughran has left the building so the culture may have changed. Or not I guess. Sometimes these things take time.

I’m 6ft on a medium free ranger (as per their size guide) and it’s perfect for me. Racey position.
20mm setback post
10mm stem

Built up from a frame which arrived poorly packaged but intact - bought via Px eBay store, with couple scratches

I run it through winter with full guard, road wheel set and 32mm tyres

In summer guards come off and a set of light 29er mtb wheels go on with 45 mm gravel tyres. Tiny amount of toe overlap but just with the 45mm 29er setup

It’s very comfortable and very fast

Frame itself comes from Carbonda and you can order direct, specifying paint etc, for a decent price. Obvs have to wait.

I’ve got a few PX frames in the family - boot zipper, inbred, Titus rockstar and they are all going 💪

I'm still using my Wizards sleeve edition London Road circa 5 years after that thread, other than the out of spec seat tube it's been great. But TBH that defect wasn't really acceptable, and sort of highlighted their general attitude, they had a duff batch that they flogged off cheap and then played dumb if challenged...

You're not really a customer more a 'mark' with PX these days. You're either paying substantially over the odds, or they're palming a defective product off cheap, if you're really lucky they've cut prices on some overstock item that isn't duff...

I decided to limit my dealings with them after buying the LR, I'd spend up to a maximum of ~£150 with them again, on cheaper items but keep my expectations proportionately low, and certainly never buy a whole bike... YMMV.

I'd take a.look at other shops Ribble, Merlin maybe see what Paul's cycles have got?

Thanks cookeaa.

Not sure what to do. It seem if it goes wrong it goes badly wrong and sorting out will be hard.

Had a look at merlin cycles. They have some reasonable offerings in, but heavier and less well speced

You’re not really a customer more a ‘mark’ with PX these days

I disagree, there's evidence too (TINAS, Tomcrow) that they have sorted out things that have gone wrong. I'm not accusing others of making things up, sure they aren't perfect but I think the assumption that as long as all goes to plan it'll be OK but otherwise forget it is just wrong.

They've been going possibly 20 years now, OK a vaguely contentious business model and some interesting pricing at times, but

You’re not really a customer more a ‘mark’ with PX these days. You’re either paying substantially over the odds, or they’re palming a defective product off cheap, if you’re really lucky they’ve cut prices on some overstock item that isn’t duff…

is just wrong. If they were as bad as some make out they'd have failed years ago.

Bikes and frames are hardly overstock in the current climate, yet I've got a full carbon / SRAM Force bike for £1700; probably £500-£700 less than the going rate for a brandname. For comparison, Ribble's full carbon with Ultegra is £2300 with an estimated dispatch date of 31st Dec. That clearly is not over the odds, or shifting overstock. Defective - only had a few weeks admittedly but I can't spot any defects so far, and reviews don't seem to have concerns.

Perhaps I was a little harsh, maybe it's different if you're paying out for a full bike, which TBF I've never done with PX/OO I've had frames and parts and clothing and lids and will continue to spend smaller sums of money on stuff like that with them occasionally, but I don't particularly trust them to deal with faults or be honest anymore, I know I'm not the only one.

I'm sure once you're spending upwards of £1k their attitude improves. And I'd not tell anyone how to spend their own money, the odds are things will be fine, but it was my own personal experiences that persuaded me to limit my exposure to their shadier business practices...

On the flip side I was heartened to see the budget bikes they came up with as covid set in (can't remember what they were called and they seem to have vanished from the website now) to get people out and Riding.

I'm just not the PX/OO fan I once was, and would suggest caution when dealing with them.

Couple of mates had bikes. All fine.
One is a Titanium gravel he commuted on all year, big mileage. It’s a lovely bike, just looks ace, and he’s happy.
I do like that Merlin aluminium gravel
Bike though.

I have a 'creme egg' free ranger 650b with Sram Rival, ordered it in March and delivered middle of June, delayed due to the Sram shipment stuck in the Suez Canal fiasco. Planet X were great, kept me updated regularly, gave me store credit as compensation and even the week it was delivered to me they had an offer on which knocked £200 off the rrp so once again they gave me store credit as reimbursement, very pleased with Planet X. The bike is great, done 300 miles since the middle of June, bridleways, roads, towpaths. Some tame mtb trails have been made exciting again. I'm 5'10", bought the medium, my only negatives are the flared drop bars could do with being wider, mine are 42cm ones and a few pedal strikes on rough terrain. Build quality appears excellent and was well packaged. Its great at what I bought it for, commuting off road as much as possible, it's going to get some serious use.

Can somebody tell us more about the 'Wizard Sleeve' bike please? Urban Dictionary has given me a definition of wizard sleeve, but I'm intrigued to know how that fits on a bicycle.

I’m in no saying px are perfect and I’m guessing they are building/shipping so many bikes and kit !! That there will be times it goes tits up.

I’ve used on one planet x from inception buying my original inbred over many many years buying kit and complete builds and I’ve never honestly had any issues(that weren’t sorted swiftly)

From memory there were some (London Road?) bikes from a batch where the seat tube was a bit out of size spec and getting seatposts to stay put was a challenge. I didn't have one, a few on here did and the issue was not handled 'in a satisfactory manner' shall we say.

My XL scandal frame came delivered with the headtube pocking out the top and the dropout sticking out tee bottom. They sent out a frame in a box that was too small. Luckily there was no damage and the bike has been brilliant. It was also £150! But that just sums them up for me. Stack em high, well em cheap.

If you are looking at buying a titanium bike px frames have a two year warranty but Titus ti frames have a lifetime warranty. It's a shame they don't extend the warranty on all ti frames.

All Planet X, On-One, Viner, Holdsworth and Selcof products carry a 2-year warranty as standard for the original owner (Titus titanium bike frames feature a lifetime warranty as standard for the original owner).

Can somebody tell us more about the ‘Wizard Sleeve’ bike please? Urban Dictionary has given me a definition of wizard sleeve, but I’m intrigued to know how that fits on a bicycle.

The Whole 18 page saga

Long story short(ish), one day in 2015 PX/OO suddenly threw an early batch of the London road Framesets (including the fork) on sale for £150, IIRC that was ~£200 off at the time (Note: Somewhat hilariously, PX ask £500 for the bare LR frame today). Those of us with limited impulse control ignored the sage warnings of a few others, and duly threw £150 at this gift horse (well the skeleton of a gift horse).

Only when punters tried fitting 31.6mm seatposts in a frame that had been sold as having a 31.6mm diameter seat tube did the penny drop. They'd obviously been over-reamed by the supplier and rather than send 'em back PX had just palmed them off on a few eager mugs at bargain bin prices, and then they proceeded to play dumb.

I simply measured mine on arrival, confirmed it was out of spec' found a 31.8mm post on ebay and carried on, I'm still riding it today. It's great, that should be a glowing endorsement.
But when I emailed them just to highlight the issue (not demand a refund), they played dumb, it was the first they'd heard of this, they subsequently spun the same BS to other customers (who of course were aware of the issue affecting several others via the same STW thread) and managed to erode at least a few peoples trust in PX/OO to zero.

I'm sure they'd have refunded me, if I'd wanted. I had already decided to essentially treat the £150 as gone, and 5 years on the frame certainly owes me nothing. But their conduct was frankly piss poor... I'd still spend a similar amount with them again, and have on various items, all perfectly defect free (as far as I can tell) but no more than that.
So buying Titanium anything just from PX seems bonkers from my POV, we're all entitled to our opinions of course.

They probably could have just changed the specs to list the 31.8mm seat tube, or just owned up to having a single batch with oversized seat tubes, and received zero negative feedback, the appropriate post or a shim was only about a tenner FFS. But instead they bullshitted over a relatively minor issue, so I and a few others don't really trust them anymore...

YMMV of course.

I have a Tempest from them, very versatile bike. Have a set of wheels for offroad rides and a set for commuting. It's really comfortable off road with the 42mm gravel king and fast and efficient with the 30mm g one speed. Definitely great value for money.

With the brand in general, I had a very old steel 456 and a 456 carbon with them. Neither had any trouble but moved on ling ago.

However, I have one of their ebikes as well. It's actually very good but have a problem with the battery. It works with no problems but the warning light's been on since February without a solution.

They finally asked me to send the battery back for a software update on Friday after numerous attempts to get an update. Hopefully fixed this time and I will be happy with that as well.

Didn't they change ownership a while back? I get that trust was eroded but have they changed since, wasn't the previous head a bit 'marmite' or did I imagine that?

what else should I consider for the sub 2k bracket?

2021 Ragley Trig. Got mine in March and love it.

So pressed the button on a 'creme egg' force1 spec free ranger in medium. Which looks like it is hopefully the right size (I am odd, short legs for height) will update on progress, clock starts ticking now. Hopefully in 35 days it will be New Bike Day!

Didn’t they change ownership a while back? I

Dave Loughran? Who was the owner turned it over to his employees a year and a bit ago. They are certainly less cheeky chappy, yeah we just pull the prices out of our a*"e, but we're lovable shrug than they used to be. Take a long time before I'd do business with them. Even then the price would have to be rock bottom. Some of their paint jobs are about as tough as wet tissue paper. If you are going to price your stuff like everyone else, you need to match the quality.

Alternatives: Ribble, Sonder, Genesis. Spa cycles if you want to support a small business. They are more touring oriented but they have some nice frames.

I saw a Ribble CGR AL in the White Peak yesterday. It looked really good. Maybe worth looking at?

I phoned Ribble about their gravel bikes a while ago. They explained it as the CGR is a do it all bike with road gears and 700c wheels and the Gravel is a 650b bike with GRX with clutch mechs. The Gravel are nearly all 1x but the AL & Ti version can take a double chainset - the Carbon one can't.

@damascus

My XL scandal frame came delivered with the headtube pocking out the top and the dropout sticking out tee bottom. They sent out a frame in a box that was too small. Luckily there was no damage and the bike has been brilliant. It was also £150! But that just sums them up for me. Stack em high, well em cheap.

Yep, the last two MTB frames I have bought where my Santa Cruz Hightower and my Scandal, a few months apart. Both arrived with minor damage due to packing etc. They were dealt with very differently. But then, I paid £150 for one, and the thick end of 2 grand for the other.

Theres nothing wrong with stack em high sell em cheap. I love my Scandal. ****ted it off some rocks on the first ride anyway.

I've had a Kaffenback and still have a Pompino. No problem at all with either the bikes themselves, or indeed customer service from Planet X. I wish I still had the Kaffenback come to think of it.

My LR is also one of the infamous 'wizards sleeve' ones.  I did look at getting a 31.8 seat post but was actually fine wth a 31.6 Thompson and cranked up clamp. Since then I've swapped it for a 27.2 brand x carbon seatpost shimmed ot 31.8 and it also great.

I have kind of hoped, over the years, that it would break so I justify a different gravel bike but it just keeps going and is so versatile. I agree with cookea about that whole issue though, they were really shit with some people about it, and the situation was just not right, but I've been ok with it and the frame owes me nothing fortunatley.

After that I didn't really want to psend a lot of money with them but when looking at road bikes just couldn't find anything to compare with the Pro Carbon Evo at the time, I paid £1300 for Sram Force 22 full hydro inc upgraded carbon seat post and handle bars. I'm glad I took the punt as the bike is bloody awesome.

If there was one word to sum up the whole company over the years it would be the word inconsistent.

It's not always though, is it podge?

No sometimes its inconsistently inconstistent making it consistent but its never consistently consistent.

Bought a Scandal frame from their ebay shop recently, it arrived missing the rear through axle and not a bit of packaging in the box, thankfully it was undamaged and they sent an axle when I made them aware it was missing.

Well I've placed the order, fingers crossed it will be OK, as it meets all my wants and requirements at a reasonable price and availability.

I will keep you all updated on my experience. All ready had some comments on build date, estimated dispatch and delivery dates so no problems - yet!

I have a Free Ranger and I love it!

Good to hear gray

I've already brought some new pedals in anticipation, some shimano t8000 trekking ones. And one side with a largish flat body the other should be ideal for my hopes flat body for quick rides and for long/'property ones

i bought my first planet x bike in feb (planet x spitfire ti road bike) and love it i have to say.

always wanted a ti road bike and the spitfire was at a price i could pay off within my budget.

the bike is lovely i have to say and the frame welds are nicely done.

am very happy with the bike 👍 🚴

I ordered my Free Ranger a few weeks back. At the time it was showing a build time of 15-18 days. 2 weeks later I checked my order status and it was showing 35-45 days build time. An email exchange took place where it transpired that they've ran out of bottom brackets and they're not due in until the end of July. They did say that if I wanted to source a BB myself (at my cost) and send it to them, they'd build the bike within a couple of days. I've not yet replied to them as I still can't decide if that's good customer service or just cheeky as f***. 🙂

Not a gravel bike but a carbon On-One. I've owned the 29 Race for about 8 or 9 years now. 7000 miles including races and winter rides. Still going very strong.

I've heard the horror stories from some people but if you buy it on a credit card - simply return it and get the card company to charge it back should there be an unresolvable issue.

So, I wouldn't touch a anything carbon from PX/On One based on a few cracked C456's.

However, I love their steel and ti frames. Had a Kaffenback which was an absolute stalwart.

I now have a Titus Goldrush Ti frame and it is amazing. Really well built, high quality and rides like a dream.

I can't recommend the Goldrush enough, probably a life time bike for me.

@kevin1911 If they agree to send you the delayed BB to put in your spares box, then why not? That is, if you can easily source a BB yourself!

@beefy, what would you say is the max tyre size with and without mudguards on the Goldrush? I am interested.

Bye and large I have been lucky with PX/On-one products, including a carbon road frame I have had for ages (but it won't take more than a 25mm tyre and doesn't do mudguards).

BishBashBosh here and really like it (bought as frameset)...yep buying from PX/ OnOne probably has (a lot)higher risk than others for me it's a balance...I prefer to deal with for example Merlin but if not got what I want that doesn't help much...and if not sure it's what I really want if can get cheap great...as to quality of carbon layup recently had mine thru full ndt following rear spoke(s) breaking and me carrying on riding causing a wear mark to chainstay...reputable co'and nothing negative found so just been rebuilt...also have PX boxers and socks cheap as chips...and at the price if crap then I'd just bin

@greyspoke, I run 42’s and have used mudguards with plenty of clearance. I have some 55’s which also fit (without guards).

I think 2” mtb tyres would be fine to be honest.

Thanks @beefy.