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You're never that remote on a road. You're on the road... 2 bottles should last 30 miles, even in heat. There's nowhere in the UK you can be 30 miles from a source of drinking water.
Although it can be very hard to find it at night, which is why I've occasionally fitted a third bottle cage to my tourer.
Seems eminently reasonable, overnight touring being into those 'edge cases' again!
Yep. The only other time I've struggled in the UK is when everything is frozen. Again, not exactly your everyday scenario.
@ nee20, I agree with your above, Not much hyperbole, and plenty of folk willingly advocating "WHY" they do either, And as i said above it's akin to the Baggies V Lycra debate, of which i am cautiosly in favour of.......
Back on topic, And as a CTC acreditted Mountain leader......... Without putting the hat on,,,,,, I have had to carry all that and more, In a Ruck Sack as a camelbak wasn't big enough. It's different taking a group out as the responsibility is as the Acreddited person mine. So there are the need to haves and the nice to haves. I still ride Off road with a Camelbak, I've spent most of my working life bimbling round with kit on my back so for me its nice to have, And having come across some sights over the years out on the trails i like to be prepared.
Not just MTN Bikers though, Walkers, Horse riders and even Motorists.
I set off yesterday Morning on a 70 Mile Road ride, 1 - 750ml water bottle, a spare tube, tyre levers, pump.
Coffee & cake @ 20Miles
Tea & Cake @ 40 Miles, Filled my water bottle at the Cafe which they obligingly did. This is new to me, As a MTN Biker this Cafe Culture thing is all a bit new, took a while to get around to.
I think the general concencous with MTB is that I'm off into the Mountains, I may be a while, Best pack accordingly.
Slight thread hijack (sorry OS), but anyone used the [url= http://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftr/mountain-apparel/apparel-with-swat-technology/mountain-bib-liner-short-with-swat ]Specialized Swat bib shorts[/url]? Or similar?
Bollocks to all that, get a backpack and fill it with cake, otherwise what's the point of all the suffering.
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^^^ Snap, only mine's in yellow. Great bits of kit for not much moolah 🙂
Like so many subjects to me this seems to be people resorting to hyperbole as justification.
"how do you bottle people manage on 800 mile rides in 95 degree heat?"
It does seem like an oddly polarised topic doesn't it...
If I am out for less than say 4-5 hours, bottles make the most sense...
For an all-dayer/overnighter, it really depends on the route, and the liklihood of being able to stop somewhere to get water/food plus what the weather up to... If I can avoid carrying a pack I will, but sometimes you simply have too much stuff to tape/strap to the frame or stuff in pockets, a small dry bag lashed to the bars can carry quite a lot, and doesn't really make much difference to the balance of the bike IME. A rucksack is still a valid option... And not everyone has a vast array of bike luggage options.
My pack has become pretty redundant but it still has some use.
Edit: only issue I've ever had with bottle ejection was due to a crappy plastic cage, decent alloy jobs, Blackburn or similar, keep a good hold on a full 750ml bottle. That said I have been eyeing up bigger 1L bottles to try.
Ive no idea northwind but it would explain why strangers at feed stations make it look so difficult....
What are the best/cheapest sideloading bottlecages? Space is tight in my triangle
Ooh, err, missus
said the actress to the bishop.
What are the best/cheapest sideloading bottlecages? Space is tight in my triangle
I've got the Elite ones, from Halfords, paired with the Elite bottles. Had no issues with ejection.
It does seem like an oddly polarised topic doesn't it...
Bizarre. It's like the mudguards argument.
I don't mind carrying a small pack. Usually, when I've finished my ride I have to travel home on the train or ferry, so carrying some dry clothes is a good plan.
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Perhaps it because it's the camp I'm in, but it seems to me the views are either:
- bottles make sense most of the time, of course there are instances where a pack is better
- you have to have a pack for riding 100 yards to the shops and you'll die of dehydration if you consider just using bottles
Metal Specialized Zee cage.
3 months in Whistler, 80 days in the park & never lost a bottle. Worked for me 🙂
[quote=njee20 ]Perhaps it because it's the camp I'm in, but it seems to me the views are either:
- bottles make sense most of the time, of course there are instances where a pack is better
- you have to have a pack for riding 100 yards to the shops and you'll die of dehydration if you consider just using bottles
I ride with a bag without a bladder in and a bottle on the bike...
To contrast slightly with Hob Nob, I have the metal zee cage as well as the plastic one. The plastic one seems slightly better (and cheaper) as it's easier to get the bottle in and out of. Not lost a bottle from either.
Using Specialized bottles though, not sure if that's a factor but thought I should get what it was designed for.
Perhaps it because it's the camp I'm in, but it seems to me the views are either:- bottles make sense most of the time, of course there are instances where a pack is better
- you have to have a pack for riding 100 yards to the shops and you'll die of dehydration if you consider just using bottles
Or
-if I have to carry a backpack I'll get all sweaty and my ride will be [i]ruined[/i]
-backpack is an adequate tool for the job most of the time, although sometimes it'd be nice not to use one
I'm the other way, If i go out and ride and don't get hot and sweaty my rides ruined.
for the BPW crew, just leave a bottle by the uplift queue, makes life a lot easier.
Bottles also have the advantage of being easier to clean!
Or
-if I have to carry a backpack I'll get all sweaty and my ride will be ruined
-backpack is an adequate tool for the job most of the time, although sometimes it'd be nice not to use one
Not really seeing that though? No one is saying that using a pack will ruin their ride. Just nicer not to use one.
No one is really saying this either though-
you have to have a pack for riding 100 yards to the shops and you'll die of dehydration if you consider just using bottles
Or how about the sensible point of- both of them are fine but it depends how much you value no bag vs grab and go, being prepared vs travelling light etc etc and it's a sliding scale and people can do what they prefer?
Don't be coming on here with yer balanced well reasoned compromises yer bloody bleeding heart left wing refugee loving communist penguin shaggers......
Life is black/white.Right/wrong.Bovril/marmite.
[quote=ferrals ]Bottles also have the [b]dis[/b]advantage of being [s]easier[/s] [b]harder[/b] to [b]keep[/b] clean! 😆
I haven't read the whole topic and I don't intend to because it seems like a lot of arguing. For short to medium (3 hours ish max) I'll take bottles and my spesh SWAT shorts (which I really rate). Anything longer and I'll take a bag. Sometimes if the weather is changeable I'll take a bag on shorter rises so I can carry a few layers.
Anyway, the point of my post was to recommend the SWAT bibs.
Water bottles are great when they get splattered with dog shit,
I'm virtually certain that's like "swans can break a man's arm". Yes, it's theoretically possible, but unless you remove your bottle from the cage and place it in Rover's droppings you're not gonna get any shit on it.
I think he means general trail matter
Yes, it's theoretically possible,
Firmly in jersey pockets camp myself, but I have ridden through dog egg and had it all over the bike, the bottle and in my face. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the first time either.
Ironically it was the close proximity of a drinking fountain which meant I could at least get most of the crap off.
No I actually meant dog shit, or at least that's what I think it was, And it went on my bottle, and then I got it on my hands. Quite why or how you find this impossible njee20 is flawed, as it splattered up from the front wheel and caked the frame and bottle in it, I didn't actually know until I looked at the top of the bottle and saw what looked and indeed smelt just like dog shite,
I'm in neither camp, and ride both Road and trail, common sense dictates what to take where and when, i wouldn't venture out without either,
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I'm virtually certain that's like "swans can break a man's arm".
It's the jiu jitsu 😉
Never ever put things in pockets. Not in jacket pockets, and definitely not in shorts pockets. Stop putting so many pockets on everything, I don't use them. Ever. That's what a bag is for.
Or not. I don't mind. Please yourself.
I just boughted a bum bag.Worst off both worlds.Suck on that beaches.
It amazes me that folk cant ride in a pack, can't ride without a bottle, some cant ride with one, Cant ride without Lycra, Cant ride in baggies,
Has there ever been a 'I can't ride a Helmet" or "I cant ride without a helmet" Debate - Debacle.
And Swan's Breaking a Mans arm? Thats surely a whole new Topic, Was the Swan sporting a Pack, Does that even need a Bottle, I mean that could just sit there, farting as it floats along and then thinks, That's 10K nipped off........ Time for a Drink,
None of this relevant of course, Just like trying to berate those who choose to do things differently, Its only relevant to the person who thinks that he's the the only one doing it right,
OH MY GOOD GOD, Pleeeeeeaaase tell me some one can cut and paste a picture of Mr Motivator in Lycra wearing a Bum Bag. Either him or Timmy Mallet, with his little leather Bum Bag and his Shit 80's Glasses.
Is Google broken? I imagine you could do it as you seem so bothered... 😕
I'm not clever enough to conduct such acts computay sheeeet,
I'm not even capable of quoting a reply to a topic in the same thread. 😳
Besides, I'm on the lookout for them pesky Swans,
I'm not kidding.An OMM one.
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redjon, I can't see that working on a dropper post? And it looks like a really complicated way of replacing a cage & Bottle.