[Closed] Pavement cycling insanity

I drive past a cyclists grave every morning

You have a cemetery on your street?

GW - Member

Ironic name wee man?

You have a cemetery on your street?

No there is a whole lot of flowers and rememberances on a fence near the roadside where a cyclist was killed, similar to what you see next to roads where fatal accidents have happened.

Thats suggesting they might not prosecute some people - its still illegal.
I get cauhgt RLJing then I will pay my fine happily.

I think I've just decided that you're a troll. I used to respect your stance on RLJing and helmets, and even agree with you occasionally. Now, I just think you're a deliberate wind-up merchant.

How many pedestrians are killed or seriously injured by bikes on pavements each year? How does this compare to the number of cyclists killed or seriously injured on the roads by vehicles?

Then tell me that riding on pavements is a danger to pedestrians and we should all be on the roads at all times.

No there is a whole lot of flowers and rememberances on a fence near the roadside where a cyclist was killed, similar to what you see next to roads where fatal accidents have happened.

Ah - not a grave then?

That's not real risk - that's anecdote. You could live on the safest street in the country, there could be only 1 cyclist killed on the roads every year, yet some drunken driver might have randomly managed to kill that cyclist on your street.

RLJ if you want to, especially if it's safer; and ride on the pavement if it's convenient

Ohhhhhh, I seeeeee, I never realised the law was actually a list of optional extras.

So it's ok to pick and choose which ones apply?, based on what's convenient for [b]me[/b] rather than what exists for the benefit of everybody?

I obviously need to learn to be more self-righteous, and that my personal precious little convenience justifies breaking any law I choose.

I am wtill wiating for TJ to answer me 😉

Some stats. They're lifted from a blog comment ( http://adrianfitch.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/are-cyclists-a-bigger-threat-to-pedestrians-than-motor-vehicles/), but match what I've read in better sources:

Of the roughly 600 pedestrians a year killed by motor vehicles about 45 a year (7.5%) are hit and killed on the pavement or verge.

Of the average 2.2 pedestrians killed a year by bicycles about 0.25 (one every four years – 11.4%) were hit on the pavement or verge.

Ohhhhhh, I seeeeee, I never realised the law was actually a list of optional extras.

So it's ok to pick and choose which ones apply?, based on what's convenient for me rather than what exists for the benefit of everybody?

I obviously need to learn to be more self-righteous, and that my personal precious little convenience justifies breaking any law I choose.

People, whatever form of transport they're using, do this all the time. On my walk to work this morning, I saw cars nipping down the last bit of bus lane to bypass a queue; a van parked half on the road and half on the pavement over double yellow lines and in a bus lane; and numerous cars nipping through lights on amber (the new "still green") or "only just red" (the new amber). I also saw some cyclists on the pavement.

Which is the most dangerous behaviour?

Which is the most dangerous behaviour?

You not looking where you're going whilst walking.

You not looking where you're going whilst walking.

🙂

I cycle on the pavement depending on which route i go, after buses lorry's and cars all trying to kill me because they couldn't wait until i had passed the section of road with a bollard in the middle i decided eff this, the last straw was when a car hit my handle bars, all at the same bit of road.
At the end of the day who gives a monkeys.

Has TJ retreated from a thread? Blimey!

What chance does the 'general public' have on a concensus in this matter when a cycling forum can't agree on the rights and wrongs!

All motorists are moronic, blind, ignorant retards. It's what keeps me safe

Best advice on keeping in one piece that you'll find.

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There's a short stretch of footpath I use for the simple reason that it's almost always deserted. In almost a decade of using it I've encountered less than fifty people in total, only two of which were in the mood for a confrontation regardless of space available. I've used the road alongside at various times but not in the rush hour. I personally think that I'm doing the motorist and myself a big favour by doing so; allowing them to move unimpeded along which is usually a very busy and fast-moving couple of miles.

I always yield to pedestrians and correct them when they thank me by reminding them it's their right of way.

All's good...

There's a short stretch of footpath I use for the simple reason that it's almost always deserted. In almost a decade of using it I've encountered less than fifty people in total, only two of which were in the mood for a confrontation regardless of space available. I've used the road alongside at various times but not in the rush hour. I personally think that I'm doing the motorist and myself a big favour by doing so; allowing them to move unimpeded along which is usually a very busy and fast-moving couple of miles.

I always yield to pedestrians and correct them when they thank me by reminding them it's their right of way.

All's good...

Baiscally I agree with you here, and I've done the same but we are just glossing over the issues. Recently I've realised what really need to happen is proper pedestrian + cycling facilities need to be built.

I can forgive old road but we do need to improve these. But we are still building roads + pavements with barely enough room for the users.

We should have roads wide enough for 2 cars (Normally Check).

Then a space

Room for 2 cyclists

Then a space

Room for 3 pedestrians

And this should be made compulsory for every new stretch of road built.