[Closed] Orange have managed to make another awful looking bike

£1800 for a 105 equipped generic carbon frame?
Good luck with that chaps, it's a £1000 bike at most.

Bloody good name though!

I like it 😳 (but wouldn't pay anything like £1900 for it 😯 )

£1800 for a 105 equipped generic carbon frame?

Yes, it is a bit dear. Considering you could buy a 105 equipped CAAD10 for £999 a few weeks ago from wheelbase.

you're right, they've sold out already

I remember the Ti road bike they made years ago, the Vitamin T (I think) that was rather nice. Do you think they got a job lot of those chinese carbon frames off e bay??

Looks O.K. to me, I like it.

High modulus frame - not much in the way of specs on that then!

looks fine no idea how to price them seen Giant road bike frames going for £ 5,000

A classic ATGNI beacon...

Bland. Rubbish spec, incredibly overpriced. Who buys these bikes, when canyon, focus, ribble and offer better bikes for less money?

The Vit T was a mountain bike from what I recall...think Johnny Clay rode one when he rode for Team Orange...

Bland. Rubbish spec, incredibly overpriced. Who buys these bikes, when canyon, focus, ribble and offer better bikes for less money?

People who have no idea how to price them? Like Grantway?

I think it's a lovely looking bike, tbh.

JoB - Member

you're right, they've sold out already

Without any road tests or demonstrators too. 🙂
The power of branding is truly a wonderful thing..... 😀

Reminds me a bit of those "BMW" bicycles - bought by the gullible brand fanboys.

It must be ridden wearing baggies and a peaked helmet.

It reminds me of a Suzuki GSX600F I had once.

Not really setting my pulse racing for the dough.

Frankly, I'd go with [url= http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/YBPXNAFO/planet_x_nanolight_force_carbon_road_bike ]this[/url] and pocket the small matter of £500 change, but each to their own.

Terrible name. Can't tell what it looks like as most of it is white against a white background. Decals look pretty minging though, IMO. Think it looks a bit like a few williers I've seen.

The stem isnt even slammed

The amount of massive bike manufacturers that have their showing off bikes with full dura ace and bling wheels, and then have the stem 5 feet above the headtube... I don't know why they do it. Looks awful.

Looks like internal routing which is nice though, and a tapered headtube, so it could actually be a fairly good frame, but still seems overpriced.

The amount of massive bike manufacturers that have their showing off bikes with full dura ace and bling wheels, and then have the stem 5 feet above the headtube... I don't know why they do it. Looks awful.

Perhaps most people don't want to look like a sad, pathetic, TdF
wannabee and would prefer to ride their bikes in comfort? 😉

I don't know why they do it.

possibly because they will be bought and ridden by first-time road bike buyers who aren't used to the roadie position and would prefer a more relaxed position

It's not about riding, it's about making your bikes look good, that's how you sell them, surely?

possibly because they will be bought and ridden by first-time road bike buyers who aren't used to the roadie position and would prefer a more relaxed position

I'm not talking about bikes in shops here, obviously they can't be slammed because then you'd have 5 inches of steerer sticking out the top of the stem and it would look stupid. I'm talking about the pictures bike manufacturers have on their websites and such.

Like this

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It's like a £6k bike or something stupid, dedicated to racing, and it looks so dumb (specially with that huuuugggee stem) with a spacer.

I know I'm just reiterating what's been said but theres simply no way that's worth £1900. Shame to see them cashing in on the name.

RealMan - Member

It's not about riding, it's about making your bikes look good, that's how you sell them, surely?

I'd say it's about making them appeal to the target market, as well you know.... 😉

It's a bike aimed at amateurs, not pros.

An extremely low stem puts most people off because it's an unnecessarily uncomfortable affectation and unless you're a pro rider, makes you look like a bit of a knob 😀

An extremely low stem puts most people off because it's an unnecessarily uncomfortable affectation

Specialized are pretty good, and have all their decent bikes slammed on their website, shiv, tarmac etc.

Unnecessarily uncomfortable affectation? FWIW, I find bikes with the handlebars low much more comfortable. Can't stand it otherwise, feels like I'm on a shopping bike or something. Unless you're like old and past it, get long and low, it's great, bikes handle better, they're stiffer, you go faster, it's brilliant 😀

saw it, thought "I have to have it" and I'm in the market for a new road bike... Might just get a planet X and respray it though...

I think that looks quite nice actually. I like the detail at the top of the fork and on the chainstays.

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No, that's quite nice tbh. Nice simple colour scheme, nice graphics. And as I am the resident STW authority on all things aesthetic, then that means it's a nice bike. 😀

An extremely low stem puts most people off because it's an unnecessarily uncomfortable affectation

I don't understand RealMan's obsession with 'slammed' stems. To each their own. Let people ride with what they feel comfy.

Unless you're like old and past it, get long and low, it's great, bikes handle better, they're stiffer, you go faster, it's brilliant

Seeing as how most road bikes aren't raced, and ridden in traffic etc, that position isn't the best in terms of being able to look around you, manouverablility and that. A slightly more upright position is better for most people. Personally I don't understand this craze for silly low skinny racing bikes when something like a Spesh Tricross is ideal for fast commuting, a leisurely Sunday pootle, touring with panniers and good long day rides. Better brakes than most road bikes too.

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Lawks a mercy, there's an elf in deep water again...

The aesthetic touches are a bit of sticker art on a bought from a Chinese factory frame. Nothing wrong with that, but charging almost twice what equivalent bikes cost is foolish in an ever more sophisticated market.

Ooh, I like it. But the name sounds a bit like an energy bar.

It really is quite good looking in the flesh, it wont appeal to roadies but will to mtbers who fancy a road bike- that'll be most of the people on here then

Lawks a mercy, there's an elf in deep water again...

Just as well I'm a good swimmer, eh? 🙂

I din't say I'd buy one, I just sed it looks nice. Which it does.

Well seems ideal for the rider who needs to say 'I'm a mountain biker even on the road', whilst also telling us they are the sort of [s]mug[/s] rider who likes to pay a premium for the orange brand. You can see it now, peaked helmet and baggies.....

Certainly isn't a stand out bike to me, and the price!

bigG - Member

Shame to see them cashing in on the name.

I mean this from the bottom of my heart- LOLZ.

a 'road' bike for mtb'ers who have no idea what makes a good or road bike and no idea what kind of road bike they require, it says 'Orange' on the down tube and they will feel comfortable with that, in the same way they will be comfortable paying over the odds for it, wearing baggies, upright 'nodder' position, spd's (or flats) and a camelback when they ride it.

having spacers inbetween the headset and stem increases flex - which can exacerbate a high speed shake (these are rare but not nice if you've ever had one) and the steering feels less precise so if you can ride the bike with the stem 'slammed' then there is a benefit.

if you need the height, flip the stem or buy a spesh roubaix

Face close to ground, does not in any way see what's going on around, often ends up dead:

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Upright position, ability to see all around, mainly stays alive:

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As mentioned, the Vitamin T was a hardtail MTB. Their previous road bike was the Orange Dynamo.

A Cannondale CAD 10 equipped with 105 is a bike with issues. Specifically, Cannondales BB convention means a BB that grinds, clicks and squeeks you to distraction - at least in the British climate. Their integrated headset bearings are about as well sealed as an open window, and fills with grit quicker than a budgie gizzard. The bearings sit directly in the frame, something I think Is A Very Bad Idea.

My point is that Cannondale are sometimes a bit shit and cheap, and do a good job of trading on their past.

Of course, I know nothing about this CarbO thing, It may have these problems and more, but the point is, there are cheap carbon bikes with 105, and expensive carbon bikes with 105. Extreme point, you could build up a Cervelo R5CA with 105 and have no change from 10K.

Good to see the "serious cyclists" frothing at the mouth again over this sort of thing. I mean imagine riding a bike with the wrong type of clipless pedal...

Face close to ground, does not in any way see what's going on around, often ends up dead - Cant ride a bike

Upright position, ability to see all around, mainly stays alive - Also cant ride a bike

Both of them are shit compared to us.

Good to see the "serious cyclists" frothing at the mouth again over this sort of thing. I mean imagine riding a bike with the wrong type of clipless pedal...

Yeh, it'd be shit. If you're gonna do something, do it properly. Or just spend your time mincing about on your Orange Bloods and Orange Carbo-s

fills with grit quicker than a budgie gizzard

A mate had a budgie what used to tear up the sanded sheets in it's cage to absolute shreds. Put a new one in and it would be half destroyed within a few minutes.

It had behavioural issues, and once bit a TV licence inspector so hard it drew blood.

He was warned though. 😐

I struggle with long sentences

Unless you're like old and past it, get long and low, it's great, bikes handle better, they're stiffer, you go faster, it's brilliant

I like it

"Yeh, it'd be shit. If you're gonna do something, do it properly. Or just spend your time mincing about on your Orange Bloods..."

Quality, a bit of profile stalking! Nice way to end the weekend.

I don't think it looks to bad, as Road Bikes go, don't quite get why there is such negativity on here towards the brand, it's a Brit brand after all, rider owned, none corporate, where's the beef?

Better Orange than some warmed over CRC knock off or French crap that breaks or pseudo yank stuff with 36% warranty failure, wtf have they done to piss everyone off so?

Or is it simply the green eye that they are a bit successful, I'm sorry, I like Orange, they're O.K. never owned one, but then no-one ever tried to sell me one. I'd certainly ride that if I had to ride a road bike and there was nothing else interesting to do like sticking needles in my eyes.

Quality, a bit of profile stalking! Nice way to end the weekend.

Thats what the profile button's there for innit!?

S'pose it is, aye. I'm away to do a lap of Llandegla...

I think it looks kind of cool - 'tis way too expensive though. Not quite sure why it's inspiring such hatred.

It is a [i]terrible[/i] name though.

Chuckles stick io to them fella - just challenge them to a race - not downhill you do maths and stuff so you understand about mass and gravity

He was asking for it 😉

Druidh "Reminds me a bit of those "BMW" bicycles - bought by the gullible brand fanboys"

Ive ridden four different brooklyn frames now and i love them all.. A mechanic who used to fix my bike came second overall in the national 4x series on a supertherm big ben.

when i can.. I'll buy one.

Think he means this..

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In that case... Fair play 😀

I don't know where people get the idea that road bike have to have slammed stems. Here's a random picture of some roadies:

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Some stems are slammed. Some are not. Depends on (shock horror) how the bike fits them.

Here's a nice old Colnago:

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I'm sure if you go to a professional road bike fitter, he's not just going to say 'slam it down!'

It's all about the target market. The guys at Orange are not stupid, they have built a solid brand and what seems to be a sucessful company. It then seems that that they have to suffer from the effects of the "British Disease" that is the over whelming desire to knock sucess.
To my mind they have built a road bike aimed at their current customer that wants to cross over to a road bike but does not want a full on race bike.
Only time will tell if it is too expensive but a strong brand name can carry a premium when it come to pricing. Just look at the VW group, Audi and Skoda have many shared components in their same segment models but vastly different price points.
As for the look of the Carb-O? I like it but that's my personal opinion.

The amount of massive bike manufacturers that have their showing off bikes with full dura ace and bling wheels, and then have the stem 5 feet above the headtube... I don't know why they do it. Looks awful.

Really? You actually care that they have a few mm of spacers on display? Jesus I'd never have even noticed if you didn't point it out, and now you have I don't think it detracts from it. Who says "slammed" is good?

Well said Matt 24.

If it had a two grand frame then it would be a bargain.

But nobody knows what quality the frame is....

Further to the slammed stem bollox, I was trying to find a modern road bike that wasn't totally minging, and I finally found one! And look, the stem has a sensible rise and length:

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It's probably just as good as the attempts at mountain bikes by road-only manufacturers i.e. not bad, but few on here would buy one

Orange have managed to make [s]another awful looking bike[/s] a bike I don't get

If you don't like it; that's OK. I doesn't make it rubbish, though.

Funnily enough I did have a Vitamin T (mtb) and when they released it I got the Dynamo too. I still have it. It's a great road bike. Who is to say this won't be?

The Orange looks fine to me, and the price is on par with many other bikes at this level.
They should have made more. In Bright Orange

No idea if it's competitively priced or not, but I think It looks quite nice.

10x better than all the road bikes you see that have every spare inch covered by garish logos.

It looks ok really, not overly sure about the oranges on the fork, but hey ho.

More to the point, what on earth is this meant to mean?
[i]A calculated swerve between sportive and race distinctions[/i]

All road bikes look rubbish.

Looks alright to me, though it does seem overpriced for a 105 equipped bike. I'd ride one happily enough.

you're right, they've sold out already

There really are people out there who will overpay for anything.

Ribble offer the same for better money IMO.

What matt24k said. It's bang on for a uk mtber wanting to try the road. Techy road bikes is big business.

Wiggle press released last week... Cycling is the new golf... We might go PLC on the stock exchange.

Folk are happy to spend £2-3k on a Carbon bike that they like. That's a bit better than their mates, so they can go for a Sunday bimble and talk about wiggins.

You can rewrite that substituting some words with clubs and tiger woods.

Yip plus why is my bike frame £2,095? (2011 Turner 5spot ano). The mind boggles. Its nice but no way over 1k tops.

+1 Matt24k
+1 charlie the bikemonger

oh and +1 for Orange bikes too!

I'm not knocking them as a company, I think they are a successful business for a reason. I own Orange bikes and love them. However, that spec for that money is just not competitive in the current market and for that reason it appears that they are cashing in on the Fanbois who either don't know better or can afford that kind of money for a lower spec than they can get elsewhere.

I'm sure Orange will sell loads of them, and I'd ride one if someone else paid for it. But if I was spending that kind of money on a new road bike I'd be very very disappointed if I only got Shim 105.

PS, Stems need to be slammed, end of. Euro rules or go home..

There really are people out there who will overpay for anything.

Ribble offer the same for better money IMO.

Except you have to wait 13 years for them to build and deliver it and the customer service is shite.

It then seems that that they have to suffer from the effects of the "British Disease" that is the over whelming desire to knock sucess.

Spot on.

and the price is on par with many other bikes at this level

Really?. Take the Giant TCR composite for example. 105 = £1300, ultegra/105 = £1500, ultegra = £1700

So how is the Orange even close to good value?

It then seems that that they have to suffer from the effects of the "British Disease" that is the over whelming desire to knock sucess

How is being shocked at the price knocking success?

They'll open price to what the market will pay.

Lets not forget that alot of hobbiest-cyclists here seem to think the more you pay the better it'll (must) be.

I bet a few potential on-one carbon customers have been put off buying a carbon456 as they think its too cheap to be safe?

However, that spec for that money is just not competitive in the current market

You could say that about their mountain bikes too though and they seem to do ok.

GlitterGary - Member
All road bikes look rubbish.

As per usual, GG sums it up.

(I like the pretty Oranges on the forks 😳 )

No knocking of orange here; it seems the the ideal road bike for an mtb'er already invested in the orange. I think some of the press gubbins from orange was quite open about their customers being happy to pay a premium for their product. I paid a silly amount of cash decking out my parlee, and is it worth it? to me yes, but to others it's still just a push bike. As a bike, it doesn't really do much for me, and objectively it does seem pricey compared to the competition. When you consider planet x are throwing some dura ace onto a carbon frame for just over £1500, you would have to be into orange.

I think some of the press gubbins from orange was quite open about their customers being happy to pay a premium for their product

That's my only problem with Orange. They have some truly loyal customers and how do they repay them?
Make them pay over the odds. Because they can.

'business in attempt to make money shock'
is this really a surprise?

alot of hobbiest-cyclists here

That's my only problem with Orange. They have some truly loyal customers and how do they repay them?
Make them pay over the odds. Because they can.

You reckon Orange have massively higher profit margins than other bike companies?