[Closed] On-One Smorgasbord tyres

Cheers for the offer Junky. Gonna use it first though, looks like it should be quite good!

Cheers Brant for the £15 tyre...

Enjoy!

Cheers Brant for the £15 tyre...

pfft, you were 'ad! 😉

My 2 cents...

So, ripped my 29er front tyre last week and also saw that these On One tyres had come out at £19.99. Bargain! However I put off buying one until today (not had time, plus wanted to check in the shed for any other bits I need).... and now £24.99 has put me off completely, mainly because if I look at CRC and even at other tyres on On One at similar prices, the Smorgasbord no longer stands out due to the new price.... If the £19.99 price had remained I'd have bought other things (inner tubes, cables etc) to put the price over £20, always in need of bike bits. Now a proper Maxxis tyre from CRC looks a better option plus they're tried and tested, with reviews readily available.

I was really hoping to try these out and if they're any good get them for my Meta too. I've spent far too much money on tyres I end not getting on with. That extra £5 might not actually be much but last week for £25 I could have got a tyre and an inner tube or two

Why did you do that dmorts...they will be £30 by the end of the day now....oh how I will laugh at the brilliance that is Brant as I also ride off on my CRC purchased tyres.

pfft, you were 'ad!

Was mainly just to wind Junky up!

That I have a tyre sat (still in the car) doing nothing yet, is by the by...

Probably try it out on the front of my full sus first.

Some slightly muddy smorgys on offer soon as we unpack our Mayhem stock.
They will be £19.99 🙂

website says £19.99, but when you click the link they're £24.99!

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Ha! Definitely not buying any now. I also hope that you had these tyres for sale at £29.99 for 28 days before cutting the price to £19.99 (or as of now £24.99). From the email I got it seems these were only launched on the 20th June.....

[url= http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1084612641&type=RESOURCES ]Legal stuff[/url]

I've just ordered a High Roller.

😀

Maxxis don't offer an 60\42 on any of their tyres except maybe the downhill ones, and even then people complain about the 42 durometer ones being too draggy.

They do a 3C version of the DH tyres, which is a 60a base, 42a center and 40a sides.

I love my supertackies in corners, so if these are as good but without the drag uphill they should be good.

What the hell is going on at One one / PX - me bro has just bought a bike - 3 weeks to be delievered and the wrong Friggin size!
£1k you expect good things! PAH!!!

dmorts - Member
Ha! Definitely not buying any now. I also hope that you had these tyres for sale at £29.99 for 28 days before cutting the price to £19.99 (or as of now £24.99). From the email I got it seems these were only launched on the 20th June.....

Legal stuff

I raised that point earlier in this thread. CRC are masters at that too. You'll see Hotlines stuff offered at reduced RRP before it's even available!!

Ah, so this is the thread Brant mentioned at Mayhem.

Having actually met the bloke, I can say I've never been so insulted. He called us 'ladies'. Shocking. There was also banter of a tyre-related nature as we rode past on an evening lap.

After this, I may or may not buy some tyres.

Just fitted it to the front wheel of my full sus bike... It's a rounder profile than you might expect.

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That's on a Mavic EN521 rim, 28mm external width and 21mm internal width. I'm used to tyres with a little more side knobble height, but I'll give it a quick go on the front first before I try it on the rear. I'd certainly not want to put it on a narrower rim myself though, and would even consider something wider like a Flow or wider still might be ideal.

Casing is definitely a pukka Maxxis job, looks and feels to all intents and purposes just like an expensive Crossmark or Advantage or the like. Which should mean it will also run tubeless pretty well.

Tread pattern looks like it should hook up pretty well too, and be fast enough rolling. Though the proof is in the pudding of course.

Oh, and for the weight weenies... Bang on 800g on the nose. Not light, but this is more of an alternative to something like a Minion DHF or the likes than it is a Schwalbe Nobby Nic I'd say. Will report back more when I've ridden it.

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Actually always been impressed with on-ones efficiency of delivery, and the prices! I just picked up a pair of £45 rrp tyres for under £30 posted from them**

** the fact they were both meant to be tubeless ready, and are in fact so sloppy / slack that one has already popped off the rim even with a tube in it is irrelevant. They responded and offered refund/ swap immediately, but I decided to keep them (and have now finally gone tubeless with them, but only by using the largest compressor you have ever seen and 250psi (>100psi over what the line was rated at), which 99.99% of people/bike shops/most workshops do not have lol.

Just fitted it to the front wheel of my full sus bike... It's a rounder profile than you might expect.

It actually looks a lot better in your shot than the advertised photos. The tread looked very shallow, but I can see now it is deeper. They look a good tyre and a lot of thought gone into it. But not sure if they will wear well.
I am just on the brink of buying Continental Baron 2.3 Black Chili with 180tpi (850g), which I thought might be better for all round (year) British conditions, but I might hang on for your report on how the Smorgasbord handle.

Conti Baron's are more of a winter tyre from what it looks like. I know it's June now, and it might as well be winter, but hey, let's be positive for once! Baron's are supposed to be very grippy, but a bit slow, they're also not that wide for a 2.3" tyre.

I think I need to be realistic. Most tyres are designed in general and for more stable climates and surfaces, but the U.K. does not have general weather or terrain conditions. I presume a winter tyre means wet, muddy, slippy and wet roots. Which can be half of a U.K. summer ride. So it is difficult to pick the best tyre without changing tyres during the ride. I don’t see many hot, hard pack, dusty trails, so I am drawn to the Baron for the all round / year tyre. But still would be good to hear how the Smorgasbord perform in the British terrain.

Barons are a mud tyre but they're not bad at all on hard stuff- bit draggier, and a bit less outright grip than a tyre designed for the job but they still do well (they do come up fractionally undersized, 2.28 for the 2.3, but that's pretty trivial).

Just depends where you want to make your sacrifices.

From [url= https://twitter.com/chalky9/status/218430179788328961 ]twitter[/url].

@chalky9: @shedfire Out in the mud and shit today after heavy rain. Those tyres corner and ride off cambers like no other 29er tyre. Amazing....

Chalky9 is one of the testers for Dirt magazine.

Just got back from my first ride using this tyre.

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(photo for proof! 😉 )

Haven't ridden it that far yet, just one ride of a couple of hours, but the Malverns is covered in pretty steep and varied surfaces. It's a good testing ground to find a tyres weakspots.

Before I go into further detail, I have to say that the tyre is definitely tall and quite "pinched" for its size, on my 521 rim which isn't exactly narrow it comes up narrower than a 2.25" Maxxis Crossmark but also noticably taller. It's not as tall and round as an old WTB 2.4" Motoraptor for instance (if you remember those), but I usually prefer a slightly squarer tyre... That said, here's some observations...

Pro's

-Maxxis 60a rubber compound is grippy and predictable
-Only run on the front so far, but seems pretty quick rolling, will report back again when it's been on the back
-Braking grip is very good, you'll rip the valves off your inner tubes or boil your brakes before this lets go
-Very good on firm/hardpack/rocky off camber sections. There's a section on a trail I ride that I've only ever cleared once before (Black Chili Rubber Queen up front), this stuck to it like a fly to fly paper, and I've only got the single compound 60a tyre

Cons

-There is no edge bite in softer ground. And I mean [i]none[/i]. The side knobbles are too shallow for any meaningful grip when run on the front if the terrain you ride requires any decent edge bite. Not an issue on hard/rocky terrain (where the tyre seems to excel), but for me I found whenever I was on softer dirt or even in some mud, the front end of the bike just pushed on badly.
-It's tall and round compared to most 2.25" tyres. I would recommend running these on very wide rims. My Mavic 521's would probably be a minimum, but I'm betting these things would be very good on something like a Velocity P35. You won't want to run them on a Mavic 717!!!
-It squirms a bit, partly cos it's tall. It feels like adding half an inch or so extra to your suspension (so it might well make a very good rear tyre on a hardtail), but along with the fact it doesn't bite well in softer terrain, I found it hard to have any confidence in it unless on rock or hardpack (where it really does bite).

I don't know what the brief was when designing this tyre, and I'd be interested to know what rims the test riders were riding them on (I expect they were wide), but it seems to me the tyre has been designed for all out grip on very firm surfaces and as such has lost out quite a bit on softer surfaces. I think if you ride mainly trail centres, or places like the Peaks, or basically anywhere where you don't really need edge bite from a tyre (or where tall edge knobbles are a disadvantage not an advantage), you'll love these tyres. It's definitely not as good as many for softer terrain though.

Will probably try it on the back of my hardtail rather than my full sus bike, I suspect it would suit quite well there given it seems to grip very well in a straight line (traction and braking), and the lack of edge bite will be less of a disadvantage there, but the tall round profile will also add a bit of comfort.

I know I've only done one ride but purposefully took it on a whole selection of different terrain, and down some very steep technical sections. I'm notoriously fussy about tyres, and have ridden so many of the bloody things over the years trying to find the perfect ones. All the above said, they're cracking value for the quality compared to other makes, and if you ride mainly hardpacked and rocky places and have wide rims on your bike, you will swear by them!

For reference, my default front tyre these days is normally a 2.2" Black Chili Rubber Queen which just seems to grip on everything I throw at it, though often run a 2.25" Michelin WildRock'r (HUGE for a 2.25, and Big edge knobs) up front on my full sus bike which doesn't grip as well on the hardpack and rocks, but bites much better in the softer conditions.

Mboy, there's a link on page 1 that explains the designer's intentions:
[url= http://www.shedfire.com/2012/06/19/on-one-smorgasbord-tech/ ]Link. [/url]

Is there a huge gap between the centre blocks and the side blocks, like a High Roller, or is the tread a bit more continuous , say like an Ignitor?
Bit hard to tell from the pics.

Personally, I'm more of a fan of rounded tyres with continuous tread - never understood why designers leave a gap in the first place.
No idea what it achieves except to scare the gravy out of people - surely you can have continuous tread, decent side blocks and a lowish rolling resistance?
XR4's, Purgatories and Advantages manage it just fine.

Might try a couple if they drop 'em to £19.99 again, but for £24.00 I can get a Purgatory, I tyre I know I'm going to get on with.

Er, after I've worn out the Minion, Advantage, Ignitor, Crossmark and Cinder I'm currently hoarding as 'spares' 😀

Is there a huge gap between the centre blocks and the side blocks, like a High Roller, or is the tread a

No, the profile is just too round... So unless you're on a surface with enough inherent grip itself, you kind of just fall off the centre tread onto nothing as the side blocks aren't tall enough.

With a High roller, which is a much flatter, squarer profile tyre, once you fall off the centre tread onto the notorious gap, there's not much grip, but when you rail it over far enough the big grippy side knobs come into play. High Rollers are a bit all or nothing, but if you grab em by the scruff of the neck and really lean the bike into corners, they bite.

or is the tread a bit more continuous , say like an Ignitor?

More like a Kenda Nevegal if anything. In fact, if you like Kenda Nevegals, you'll love these tyres, as they feel like a faster rolling version of the Nevegal. To me at least...

Personally, I'm more of a fan of rounded tyres with continuous tread - never understood why designers leave a gap in the first place.

Give em a go then... It's all personal taste. On the contrary I've usually got on better with tyres with pronounced side knobbles like the High Rollers, Michelin Comp 16's etc.

XR4's, Purgatories and Advantages manage it just fine

I'm no fan of the XR4's either. For some reason I find they don't bite very well in softer conditions either, and to be honest they're a bit meh... Quick enough rolling, but not all that good anywhere. Too big maybe, tread pattern would probably work better if they weren't so huge!

With a High roller, which is a much flatter, squarer profile tyre, once you fall off the centre tread onto the notorious gap, there's not much grip, but when you rail it over far enough the big grippy side knobs come into play. High Rollers are a bit all or nothing, but if you grab em by the scruff of the neck and really lean the bike into corners, they bite.

So unless you're on a surface with enough inherent grip itself, you kind of just fall off the centre tread onto nothing as the side blocks aren't tall enough.

I'm no fan of the XR4's either. For some reason I find they don't bite very well in softer conditions either, and to be honest they're a bit meh... Quick enough rolling, but not all that good anywhere. Too big maybe, tread pattern would probably work better if they weren't so huge!

Anyway, back to the Smorgasbord - I'll give you a tenner for it, seeing as it's all muddy now. 😀

Anyway, back to the Smorgasbord - I'll give you a tenner for it, seeing as it's all muddy now.

Junky offered £20 posted! 😉

I've far from written it off, it's going on the back of a bike next where I expect it will be better.

Opposite to you though I like High Rollers, and most tyres where there's a feeling of needing to crank them over to get them to bite.

interesting stuff mb.

Ive got a pair of single compound 29er ready to go F&R on the SS (Rigid).
My front rim is 35mm wide and the rear 27mm I think so may get a flatter profile to you. But will also test on the range of rock/hardpack/gravels and loam/mud that we get at this end of the Malverns.

Rusty Spanner...i think the gap in the High Roller design (and others like it) is for mud clearance?....no idea if that was the designers intentions but it works for me.
I rode Rogate recently which is quite sandy, had a Minion on the front which has less of a gap and more tread than a High Roller....all the bloody thing did was clog with sand all morning leading to front end wash outs....went home swapped to a High Roller on the front and no more problems, the widely spaced tread seems to fling more mud/sand away in my experience.

I like the sound of the rounded profile, when we had a better summer than this last year i put some Specialized Captains on for the best few weeks and they were awesome, very fast rolling, great over harder, dry ground and very linear grip through the lean when getting the bike turned....these sound similar.

Stoner, I'll try give it a run in the Wyre Forest this weekend too, see what the terrain down there has to offer it. I think on your 35mm front rim you'll probably get on with the tyre better to be honest. Looking at it again, all it needs IMO is a slightly flatter carcass, and the side knobbles to be about 3-4mm taller on their outside edges. Not huge changes, but would make all the difference I reckon.

brant - Member

Chalky9 is one of the testers for Dirt magazine.

Can't be, he expressed a clear opinion using comprehensible english

Mboy. Could you mail me. Him@shedfire dot com.

Have a new model i'd like your thoughts on.

Rusty, read this re. tyres with a gap between central and side knobs: http://www.leelikesbikes.com/followup-specialized-eskar-tires.html

In short I believe the open channel on the inside of the side knobs allows their inside edges to grip the ground, especially on softer surfaces where they can dig in.

Anyone had any luck running these tubeless yet? Tried them on my Crests (which give them a nice profile) and they dont seem tight enough to me to get a decent seal.

As for not gripping/biting on soft ground, well they seem fine to me (thay have replaced Mud-Xs), certainly the grip on rocks and roots is fantastic, but also lent over they grip well and when they do let go it's all nice and predictable, not sudden and scary.

Nick did you get them to run tubelessly at all on Crests? I'm looking at the 29" version if it'll run on Crests...

£14.99 now

Free postage?

BTW there's some ex mayhem display ones at PX now for £15, plus that postage dont forget 😉

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/c/q/clearance_corner/mayhem_mud_bath

I fitted mine the other night and got out for a local loop on them.

These replaced some 2.4"RRs (Front) and 2.1"Ignitors (Rear)
Rigid 29er, SS.

Width:
On a 20mm rim, RR = 60mm, ignitors = 52mm and the Smorgasbord = 57mm
On a 30mm rim, RR = 61mm, ignitors = 53mm and the Smorgasbord = 59mm.

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First of all, the ignitors are still my favourite do it all tyre. Hook up brilliantly, plenty of grip at the back when honking the SS, dont break away unexpectedly.

RRs work very well on the front, very fat on the 30mm Gordo rim, and I rarely take them off - maybe only for Stouts if off to wales to bash rocks etc.

My local loop in the current conditions goes something like: tarmac, hardcore/compact stone track/bit of gloop. Then descent on hardpack/gravels, soft loam/squidy bits.

Good things: the Smorg is neither a good nor bad roller on the road. Not as bad as a Stout, not as good as RR or Ignitor. Front didnt let go straight away on off camber root, nor off camber slop, but....

Bad things....it wasnt brilliant. On the rear it's not a great SS tyre on loose or soft ground. Just doesnt seem to deliver the traction as well as the narrower pentagular knobbled ignitor. Twice the rear stepped out unexpectedly: once on a wet rock descent and on a soft off-camber one.

So not an unmitigated success on the varied malvern surfaces. I guess it's probably a tyre borne of hebden/todmorden/northern monkey rocks and steps. But it's too wide and lacking in knobs to dig into the soft stuff (unlike the knobbles on even fatso RRs) at the front, and on all but coarse grit-dressed tarmac it just doesnt get the traction down for SS climbing use Im afraid.

I'll def give it another go on the front if it every gets summeryer around here again. The positive was definitely on hard packed stony/gravelly descents.

Nick did you get them to run tubelessly at all on Crests? I'm looking at the 29" version if it'll run on Crests...

No not gone up yet, but I'm a little more hopeful after seeing Shaggy's response so I'll give them another go when I get the chance.

Just been out on them and it's really really mucky and wet out there, but didn't find them lacking at all, mind you I've just got a gopro hero 2 camera so was trying really hard to keep the (better) rider in front of me in shot and so was pushing things a bit.

EDIT: Best not risk upsetting STW they changed the link for a reason

do we know where shiggy is from?

and I should probably emphasise when I say "gravelly" I mean hardpacked small stone, with larger stone rock, rather than really loose stuff.

EDIT

The positive was definitely on hard packed stony/gravelly descents.

Almost like it was designed for use somewhere dry and dusty ?

you cant hide just like that junky. What am I missing? 😉

Mail me 😉

First post on here and I'm going to extol the virtues of a commercial product. Pinches of salt all round I guess but I'm typing regardless. Sorry for the long post - I guess this is my way of saying hello too.

I'm new to mountain biking having purchased my first real bike in February this year via the cycle to work scheme. 600 miles later and I'm officially hooked on it. So is my 9 year old son and we regularly frequent Whinlatter, Sherwood Pines, Lee Quarry etc. I also like to ride on my own from the house and I'm becoming proficient at OS reading, Google Earth zooming and Bridleways spotting.

Tonight I had my first trip out with a friend and we covered the back 16 miles of the Holme Valley challenge.
I'd decided earlier on in the week that I was going to put new tyres on my bike for this trip as the Kenda Blue Groove that came on my bike were just about worn away.
I hadn't bargained on MTB tyre choices and opinions being so varied though and whilst searching and reading stumbled across this thread.

Brants comment on the price going up due to this thread absolutely made my day (im a halifax boy born and bred) and the subsequent fallout was typical Internet forum gold. I also happened to be in the Rotherham area the next day so it seemed fate had chosen my tyres for me.

So it was, I took a trip to on one this morning, was greeted extremely warmly at the door, listened to in great detail and advised to try the enduro compound on my 120mm full sus Mondraker. I was also advised that some tyres with splashes of mud on them were for sale at 15 quid each. I promptly bought 4 and ran to the car before they changed their mind. I looked pretty hard but couldn't see the mud splashes either.

I took the blue grooves off my rims and had these fitted in no time at all. They are a wider tyre but still fit my bike very well. They also look good but if anything the tread is maybe a little less pronounced than expected. I doubt they will last as long as the blue grooves did.

I took the bike out of the car in Hade Edge this evening and set off. 300 meters on Tarmac and then down some bridleways of mixed and very wet terrain. The instant tell was the speed. I've read a lot recently about fast rolling, low resistance tyres and can only assume the Blue Groove is a slow roller. The difference is night and day. The bike is far easier to pedal and far more eager to pile on the speed when gravity does its thing. I was shocked at the difference.

The next thing I noticed was grip. Now this is harder and my lack of experience must be taken into account by anyone reading this. My blue grooves were pretty bald and these were new tyres so obviously grip levels are going to be better.
However, changing from one surface to another, the Smorgasbord tyres felt really well planted all of the time. There were a few 30mph+ downhills on loose rocky terrain and several, soggy uphills punctuated with wet slabs and cart track ruts. The tyres were faultless IMHO.
However, there were two things of note. Firstly, when deeper mud was unavoidable, the tyre struggled for grip as much as my blue grooves did. They shed the mud much faster however. Secondly, when sand was the surface of choice, the tyres seemed suddenly slow and inexplicably weaker performing. I cannot explain this really other than to say that on sand I lost my confidence a little.

Overall, I'm genuinely stunned that a tread pattern can make that much difference in rolling resistance. The Smorgasbord tyres on my bike may have only covered 16 miles so far but, for me at least, those 16 miles represent exactly the variety of terrain I ride on most of the time, and the tyres performed well beyond my expectations. Maybe a set of Maxxis High Rollers would have given me the same or better result but they wouldn't have been £30 a pair and they wouldn't have been produced for a local company.

Internet forum recommendations are such a pile.
You don't know me. I'm not the worlds best mountain biker and I've got next to no experience of other tyres. Couple that with the fact this is my first post on here and I could be just some on one troll and where does that leave the value of my opinion?

My recommendation - visit on one in person and postage costs become irrelevant.

Brants comment on the price going up due to this thread absolutely made my day (im a halifax boy born and bred) and the subsequent fallout was typical Internet forum gold