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Very interesting to hear your comments stoner, and that they're pretty close if not identical to my experiences with the tyre. Still looks too round in profile even on your Salsa Gordo rim for my tastes.
Brant, sorry only just seen your reply on here, have now emailed you...
just re-read your report mboy, and yes they are similar. Only difference is I didnt notice much "squirm" or tallness - I think it's a fairly tough carcass. More a feeling of vagueness in the soft stuff.
and yet you opted not to pay the new comedy price mmm interesting
Yup, absolute internet forum Gold.
Do you know what, I think the weather has been better since I bought these tyres. Ill have to tell On One and get them to put the price up again.
For those that are interested they are down to £14.99 in the PX/OO Clearance Corner now.
Yup, absolute internet forum Gold.
I know you told me any chance you could explain why you did not pay the new comedy price? After all that is what I commented on
Surly it would still have been funny if you had paid £40 more for you 4 tyres than you did?
I know you told me any chance you could explain why you did not pay the new comedy price? After all that is what I commented on
I'm struggling to think of a reason why I would have paid more for a tyre that was available for less. The 'Mud damage' is non existent - at least on the four I got.
If the tyre had been available only at the 'comedy price' I would still have purchased them. That was my intention when I drove there after all as I clearly stated.
Surly it would still have been funny if you had paid £40 more for you 4 tyres than you did?
I think it would still have been funny, yes. And don't call me Shirley. No matter how badly you spell it.
I'm struggling to think of a reason why I would have paid more for a tyre that was available for less
its comedy gold apparently...they could have just asked you for more for those tyres than the £15...I feel sorry you missed out on a good laugh now
its comedy gold apparently...they could have just asked you for more for those tyres than the £15...I feel sorry you missed out on a good laugh now
Keep up the good work on bouncing this thread to the top. Cheers.
Glad I started it 😉
Happy too as it shows what you think of your customers qnd the reviews have, at best , been indifferent/not great.
[b]Any chance you could explain, as required by law, when you charged £29.99 for the tyre? You seem to have charged every price but that price
Perhaps you could explain how your pricing policy complies with the law?[/b]
Oh of course pricing is not your thing eh
PS why has the link to the tyre design been removed...surely all publicity is good even the stuff that shows it was not designed with UK conditions in mind?
Any chance you could explain, as required by law, when you charged £29.99 for the tyre? You seem to have charged every price but that price
Perhaps you could explain how your pricing policy complies with the law?
Oh of course pricing is not your thing eh
Pricing isn't my thing. I am a product designer, hired by Planet X and On-One to design and work with production facilities for them.
PS why has the link to the tyre design been removed...surely all publicity is good even the stuff that shows it was not designed with UK conditions in mind?
I have no idea why a link has been removed.
Googling for "[url= http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=smorgasbord+tyre+design ]Smorgasbord tyre design[/url]" brings up plenty of info.
Anagram of Smorgasbord is Drags Mor,Sob. Spooky eh?
Anagram of Smorgasbord is Drags Mor,Sob. Spooky eh?
Anagram of Junkyard is "Rad Junky"
its comedy gold apparently...
Oh, I see your confusion now.
they could have just asked you for more for those tyres than the £15...I feel sorry you missed out on a good laugh now
They could have. I arrived, knowing nothing about the £14.99 mud damaged tyres but they had the decency to tell me about them. I'm interested to hear how you'll spin that into a negative.
Anagram of my name is 'Christ I'm Hard'. Beat that!
Anagram of my name is 'Christ I'm Hard'. Beat that!
A guy I went to school with has an anagram of his name that's "Violent C**t".
Anyhow.
Vincent Lout?
For anyone that's interested still... And I'm sure brant will be pleased to hear.
The Smorgasbord makes a MUCH better rear tyre than front IMO. It rolls pretty quickly, it's got plenty of traction in most conditions (though not so much deep mud), it's very stable under braking and pumped up reasonably firm (around 38psi I think I put in, enough to mean the tall profile didn't squirm at all) it was a whole lot better than running it on the front where I found it totally lacked any bite in the corners. It was even respectable over wet roots too. Predictable grip in most places and a fairly predictable drift I'd say, quite like a Kenda Nevegal but with a rounder profile and much much faster rolling.
It's not perfect, but it's a fairly good rear tyre in a mix of conditions I'd say. I still prefer the Rubber Queen in Black Chili flavour, but they're £45, and at the price On One sell these for they're better VFM if you get me. They definitely roll faster than a Rubber Queen, though not as fast as a Crossmark or a Racing Ralph for instance.
Well after a weekend at Afan/FoD of running one of these (60a/42a dual compound on the back), I'm a convert!
I usually run a tubeless nobby nic in the rear, but this just blows the NN out of the water for out and out grip. They roll just as well as the NN to boot.
Ok, they are 300 odd grams heavier than the nic, but I'll live with it. It didn't put a foot wrong at any point on the wet slate of Wales. For £14.99? Very happy here.
Have done another 4 rides on this tyre now, and...
Well, it's not for me. It's really quite good if you only ride dry, rocky trails. Sticks to them very well, rolls fast, provides plenty of cushioning etc.
But for most of my riding, especially in this British "Summer" weather, it just slips and slides all over the bloody place! I quite like a relatively loose tyre on the back of my bike, I'd rather the rear drifts than the front, but this is way too drifty for me on my normal trails.
If anyone wants it, it's in great condition, done about 100 miles tops, all offroad, no visible signs of wear... I just need something with more bite in the medium to loose conditons that are prevalent in the UK, not a rocky trails tyre as this seems to be.
Mboy - can I recommend an ignitor. Great Malvern tyre imo.
Haven't ridden Malvern or smorgasbord since my post as have been riding in France for the last four weeks. Top tip though is sb8's are just as good in 35c as 2.1" on dry dusty trails 😛
mboy I too considered these and many other tyres for British all year and wet summer riding. Eventually got myself a Conti Baron 2.3 Black Chilli. It is on the front at the moment, and I am currently testing it. But I think it might be just what you are looking for! 😉
I liked the irony of mud damaged MTB tyres....bought a pair of them in the sale To try out up Scotland over my usual tyre.
Very impressed with the tyre, provided lots of predictable grip in the wet and dry. Nice size for a 2.25 too. Will by trying it out in the peaks on Sunday but so far another excellent product from on one.
Can't comment about the performance n deep / loamy mud , but why would you run such a big tyre in these conditions anyway
So sorry to drag up a classic old thread but just been googling for a review on the smorgasbord and came across this.
The tyre is now down to a frankly silly £12.49! I am in the verge of ordering but I'm no expert so can someone tell me is it worth paying a fiver extra (per pair) for the trail extreme? Is it softer therefore will it not last as long? I'm looking at using them as a winter xc and commuting tyre.
The cheaper one will last longer, it has a harder compound.
The more expensive one is dual compound and most riders would probably put it on the front, where the stickier bits would help give more grip.
🙂
having ridden with a chunky monkey trail extreme on the front and a smorgasbord trail extreme on the back for three rides I can only add that they are crap in the mud and on damp roots( thats damp not wet) they are lethal. they feel nervous all the time out in surrey hills last weekendthe going was damp but not muddy and the front kept breaking away on even small roots.no where near as good as my base spec conti mk's. On paper they look good and the price is great so maybe when the summer comes they will shine but at the moment they are sitting in my garage.I emailed on one detailing my issues no response?
Thanks for the feedback (as Chief Designer for on-one). I've not (that I can remember) ridden the Surrey Hills, but I'm trying to get out a bit more this year. I'm quite puzzled as to what the conditions are like there that has polarised your opinion so much.
What tyres do you usually run, what pressures, rim width (internal?), bike type?
I reckon most people (me included)wouldn't be able to tell the difference from one tyre to the next if they were blindfolded.
As a contrast, I've found the Monkey / Smorg combo to be great on the slimy roots and wet rock around Keswick.
Even worked well in the snow over xmas! 😆
At a third of the price of my normal HR / Minion, I'll be stocking up.
hi brant tried them with 40psi as recommended by on one dropped them to 36 and they still did not work. last sunday the front washed out 3 times the last one had me off. not experienced that all through this winter and the last british summer.they bare fitted to ztr flow rims on a 2012 ellsworth moment. I was out yesterday with a conti mk( the entry level one)and the front was way better than the chunky monkey was and the conditions were a lot worse than sundays ride.I left the smorg on the back and it just would not hook up at all. as for being able to tell the difference- well i cant say that i can tell the difference between the cont rubber queens that i have run and the mountain kings but i could certainly tell the difference between the mk and the chunky monkey- like night and day
I love the chunky monkey on the front and have bought one for th rear to swap for the smorgasbord which is ok but not on par with the CM for out and out grip
I reckon most people (me included)wouldn't be able to tell the difference from one tyre to the next if they were blindfolded.
This could be the new niche - blindfolded mountain biking!
Put the smorg on the back - backwards like the old panaracer smokes - and it's great
To be fair, my first ride with them on was pretty sketchy too but after an hour or two on a damp Gisburn circuit they soon broke in. Feels like they needed to be ridden in to really get the grip going - not what I'd expected but now they grip like a sticky thing
I'm really impressed with them for the price. Now can you do that sram xx cassette for the same price?? 100 is still a bit high 🙂
Still no joy getting mine to go up tubeless.
Tried seating it on rim with a tube, unseating one side and smearing with washing-up liquid before pumping madly but the best I can manage is semi-hard (ooer).
The tyre bead curves back into itself more than my usual Maxxis tyres.
What techniques have you guys used successfully with the Smorgasbord folding version?
i use the infamous STW 9p inflator.
(easypeasy)
Leave it on the tyre with a tube in for 24 hours, mind wouldn't go up till I did that, then they went up easy with some soapy water (on Stans Crests)
I've had them on for about 9 months now, they are not the best in really slimy mud, drift a bit when it's slidy, which isn't very confidence inspiring on steeper stuff, but otherwise I still like them, right now I think conditions are spot on and if I get this summer out of them then I think they will have been the best all round tyre I've ever used.
Yeah I left it on for a few days, and went for a ride as well (on which I got a snakebite during a Strava run of heroic proportions).
Seems a pretty good tyre for the rear, relatively fast rolling but with enough climbing grip. Hope I can get it working. Will investigate the ghetto inflator thing later.
I've just bought a chunky monkey and a smorgasbord as a front and rear combo for my Trance 29er. First outing was at the weekend at Antur Stiniog. Chunky Monkey was awesome on the front in dire conditions-very wet and slippy! Smorgasbord was awful on the rear-quite possibly my least favourite ever tyre....just goes to show how personal tyre choice is I guess. Personally I am unable to detect 'flex' in component or notice any difference in damping in suspension etc but I can tell huge differences in tyres and pressures etc.
I'll be trying the smorgasbord running the other way with a little less pressure this coming weekend.
Finally thought I'd try these out for a weekend in North Wales. At £25 a pair for folding tyres essentially made by Maxxis, difficult to refuse. I got the Enduro single compound ones
So last May bank holiday did Coed y Brenin (the Beast) on the Saturday, Penmachno on the Sunday and Marin on the Monday. Bit wet on Saturday and Sunday, dry on Monday.
Have to say the tyres held up well through the rocky sections and had enough grip on any roots/muddy bits. Quite impressed. They seemed similar to the Kenda Nevegals they replaced, rolling a bit faster than those though.
Anyone say how they come up size wise? Appologies if it's in here somewhere but there's 7 pages of threads to read! I've got a 2010 Stumpys FSR, and clearance in the back isn't great so I'm looking for something gripy, fairly cheap and can be run tubeless. I can fit a 2.3 swampthing in there and a Spesh 2" tyre, is the smorgasbord similar size wise? I've got a Chunky Monkey on the front and it's great but huge!
I run the 29er 2.25 Smorgasbord on my hardtail they come up big. more 2.3 IMO
In the dry / damp can't fault them they stick well roll fast and have lasted well. they are a tad weighty but once rolling its not a problem
TBH I bought mine for £14 a tyre for the price I can't fault them when Schwalbe charge top side of £40 a tyre for something that is not appreciably any better or not £25 ish better.
Anyone say how they come up size wise? Appologies if it's in here somewhere but there's 7 pages of threads to read! I've got a 2010 Stumpys FSR, and clearance in the back isn't great so I'm looking for something gripy, fairly cheap and can be run tubeless. I can fit a 2.3 swampthing in there and a Spesh 2" tyre, is the smorgasbord similar size wise? I've got a Chunky Monkey on the front and it's great but huge!
I've just bought the 26x2.25 and will measure them once they're on if you want?
Cheers for that. If they come up like a Maxxis 2.3 then job's a good 'un. I like Spech tyres but they don't seem to do anything grippy in a 2", and the 2.2 / 2.3" tyres are too big. I've tried the captains and ground controls and they're great in the dry but lacking once it gets a bit wet.
Anyone say how they come up size wise?
Casing is a 2.25" Maxxis "new school" size, that is to say, slightly bigger than a 2.35" HR/Minion/Swamp Thing. They're very tall and rounded in profile though, so might fit, but might not. If they were any squarer edged I'd say no for definite.
Always found the spesh storm control great in the wet.
Would agree about the captain, great in the dry rubbish in the wet.
Thanks mboy. Taller is fine, it's wider that's the problem (no giggling at the back). Any other suggestions for an all round tyre that'll fit?