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Yay for ASLs!"

I've often though they only really benefit experienced cyclists who know the phasing of the lights and are happy putting themselves in primary at the front of a queue of cars


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 11:35 am
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Bingo.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 11:38 am
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ASLs for turning right on multi-lane roads are silly

I've seen plenty of ASLs on the right of the leftmost lane - this is a better idea, for some junctions at least.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 11:41 am
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ASLs are used as an absolute last resort in countries like The Netherlands and Denmark. They're for when nothing else really fits, when the junction can't be made better.

Here in the UK, ASLs seem to be the first (and usually only) piece of cycle provision. An open invitation to go up the inside of all the traffic and sit there at the front end of an F1 starting grid. If you're really unlucky, you'll be in a blind spot of a vehicle on that starting grid too.

Councils love them cos it's an easy highly visible way of spending all their cycle infrastructure money without actually doing anything to make cycling safer and without taking away any precious space from motor vehicles.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 11:53 am
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I've seen plenty of ASLs on the right of the leftmost lane - this is a better idea, for some junctions at least.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but it's not a discussion worth having: it's like discussing which of two similarly large piles of dog poo looks the tastier to eat.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 11:55 am
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I quite like ASLs. When they move the cars back, rather than the cyclists forward.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 11:58 am
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Mol, I imagine you fit into the

I've often though they only really benefit experienced cyclists who know the phasing of the lights and are happy putting themselves in primary at the front of a queue of cars

group though don't you? Not the average cyclist or potential cyclist for whom ASLs are at best confusing and not that useful, and at worst dangerous.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 12:46 pm
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Shame if they happened to catch on a car door or wing or something on your way past, like...


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 1:30 pm
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Shame if they happened to catch on a car door or wing or something on your way past, like...

Surprisingly grippy on the shins considering they may as well be made from teflon coated ice the moment they get a picolitre of rain on them.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 2:04 pm
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unless it's a mandatory cycle lane with a solid white line there's nothing the police could do

Nearish me(Mottram road, Hattersley) there are some of these that the residents park in day and night, they also park in the adjoining Chevron areas, never seen one with a ticket yet,
Also the vast majority of the motorists around the area don't seem to have figured out what the ASL's are and stop in them anyway so you normally end up pulling up in front of them past the lights anyway.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 6:13 pm
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group though don't you? Not the average cyclist or potential cyclist for whom ASLs are at best confusing and not that useful, and at worst dangerous.

Yes.. although they are optional. Learning how to move up a line of traffic safely is an important part of roadcraft I think. The problem is that no-one teaches cyclists what to do.


 
Posted : 07/10/2015 6:24 pm
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I don't really differ the way I use the roads whether I'm on a bike or in a car.
I'm patient and considerate.

Yes, I could squeeze up the side of the cars ahead of me, same as I could use the cycle lane to squeeze past, but I don't.

I'm sure it's purely coincidence that the only near misses I've had recently have been between me and a badger.

I've had a lot of training on the roads, and have never been advised to overtake at junctions. 💡


 
Posted : 08/10/2015 1:22 am
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The problem is that no-one teaches cyclists what to do.

No, there are two problems. One is is that people have to be taught what to do in the first place. And the other is that a lot of the stuff they need to do is stuff that many people either can't our don't want to do.

Fundamentally, riding a bike without having a collision is easy. A three year old can do it.


 
Posted : 08/10/2015 7:12 am
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