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Looks great anyway, the gap between the Nomad and Bronson needed broadening a bit I think.
Looks great? It's ducking ugly lol
That linkage looks a bit...hmm... and the seat tube looks a bit... errr...is that 'mustard'?
Hopefully it's an xxl...
I won't sit on the fence.
Really liked the older models but not loving that.
Hahaha. That thing is disgusting!
For a company that usually makes good looking bikes, that, is a turd.
It looks like an ugly old Commencal Supreme.
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I love it!
The specialised lover has a dig at aesthetics! I love that even more!
Should have swept the toptube down a lot further to shorten that link - my eyes.
Although, that might be an XL 29er....
Yep that's hideous. Certainly compared with the intense tracer. I suspect they may have taken it too far and made another driver 8
Pass the eye bleach kit.
As per the rumour then. Fugly.
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Looks aside, really bad place for a shock on a trail bike. Mud zone. But then I guess it's becoming an Enduro V10.
Yep that's hideous. Certainly compared with the intense tracer. I suspect they may have taken it too far and made another driver 8
Except about 10lbs lighter and with a better pedalling position.
Enduro bikes are moving towards 170/180mm of travel.
Looks aside, really bad place for a shock on a trail bike. Mud zone. But then I guess it's becoming an Enduro V10.
I'm pretty sure it will have a fender stuck in there on the full production versions and coils are less susceptible to shit.
Best place for a coil shock is as low in the frame as possible.
Santa Cruz carbon rims too.
Glad I went ahead and ordered a new Tracer as soon as I saw that test mule.
I guess the shock position helps them fit a full size bottle cage which seems to be all important these days.
The colour doesn't help, it looks like an XL which never look as nice as the medium frame, but it could just be the shock position making it look bigger.
TBH there's only ever been 1 good looking Nomad frame, the current one, but it's an SC, it'll be popular, it will be desirable and tastes will change to it.
Although, that might be an XL 29er....
Tyres def say 27.5
There's some flex in those seat stays then? They're not braced anywhere...
Interesting ideas for an enduro bike, there's room for a bottle in the front triangle and a coilover if one desires.
I'm still trying to work out what's keeping it from being a flaccid mess on the corners with the combined leverage of two linkages at either end of an exaggerated 'V' rear end. One can imagine that riding this would feel like playing snooker with a length of rope.
Its a no from me .....
Bet they sell loads though
Still like my old alloy Mk2. Practically retro-bike now 😀
There's some flex in those seat stays then? They're not braced anywhere...
Looks like there is a brace coming off the very top of the non-drive side seatstay down to the chainstay.
I bet it's an absolute blast to ride. Looks like a hooligan of a bike.
Don't mind the looks. Obviously it's just a test mule at this point. Production model will be much tidier no doubt.
Don't mind the looks. Obviously it's just a test mule at this point. Production model will be much tidier no doubt.
That is the production one. The test mule was all white and knocking around a few months back.
Brace on non drive side.
Shock fender fitted as standard.
Reducing upper link length by dropping top tube would alter the axle path.
Looks nicer in the flesh.... 😉
Crapping Dog comparison was tired 1st, 2nd, 3rd times around - never mind the 4th.
The design element that led to the comparison was the top tube bulge around the head tube area - a design that almost all other brands have since incorporated, and that interestingly SCB have moved away from. 😉
Never owned a Nomad BTW.
That is the production one.
Meh, I'm still in. It looks functional.
Looks alright to me.
Hopefully the story was taken down because SC have decided to go away and turn it into a 29er.
Having owned a nomad mk2 and mk3, I won't be rushing to by a mk4 on the ascetics, however i guess it's down to how it rides though
I like it, but it will have a reach similar to a kids frame so it won't be an issue! That and it will cost 87 grand.!
Embargo until Friday so expect STW to get rid of the pic if they were on the press trip. Got the details given to me last night and very tempted...
I think the lifetime-warranty carbon wheels with 24-hr turnaround are a more interesting devlopment than the bike.
That said, Pinkbike managed to break them...
The geometry is remarkably similar to the radon swoop.
And the large has a nice low seat tube, which I wish more brands would do.
The designer interviewed on PB used to work for kona I believe, so maybe the process geometry was an influence.
The nomad C S build comes with a GX eagle kit
The designer interviewed on PB used to work for kona I believe, so maybe the process geometry was an influence.
Or the V10....
Rear Dérailleur SRAM GX Eagle
Is this new...?
maybe excited if it is... went GX when it launched and it might need a refresh soon
I wonder if you can bolt on a bigger rear mud guard, otherwise surely its going to eat shocks over the winter with that placement?
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That looks very UK unfriendly ^^^
Doesn't look as bad in 'ink' and in a smaller size I guess. Still not sold on it though...
honourablegeorge - Member
I think the lifetime-warranty carbon wheels with 24-hr turnaround are a more interesting devlopment than the bike.That said, Pinkbike managed to break them...
Not really unless the warranty covers damage rather than manufacturing issues
If I was in the market for a Santa Cruz Enduro bike I'd hold onto my money and wait another month for the new Hightower LT to be released i.e 150mm travel 29er. ;-D
Not exactly sure what is meant by an "extremely linear and progressive shock rate", and I'd be wary of any claim that the bike could run either a coil or air shock equally effectively - that smacks of compromised suspension dynamics to me.
I think it looks awesome, totally on point bike for hucking and shredding.
Makes a change for a manufacturer not to make another "aggressive Trail" bike.
Or the V10....
You didn't look at the V10 geometry before you typed that, did you?
no but I would say it's taking it's lead from that bike and the nomad, the bikes all tend to be a progression from one thing to the next with a lot of testing around what they have.
looks awful! first SC trail bike ive seen that looks ugly!
its basically a mini v10 now pretty much! way too much travel for general riding for me, mint if you live or ride constantly at a bike park though!
still hope the rest of the SC bikes don't end up with the shock placement down there, it looks terrible
Is this new...?
Yes - soon to be released.
The numbers now confirm it, the Nomad is now a carbon Driver8. A totally pointless bike.
The Hightower & soon to be LT are going to sell like hotcakes.
I'm not sure they could have made it more ugly, or pointless.
This feels like a re-shuffling of the pack. I have friends that sold their DH bike and use their Nomads on 99% of stuff, but for example they won't take them down the Fort William WC track. This moves the Nomad properly into mini DH bike territory, and the shock placement doesn't seem to pose any problems on the V10???
I expect to see the Bronson move to 160mm and a 150/160mm Hightower soon.
The colour definitely doesn't do it any favours though. Terrible.
That new Nomad would definitely solve my current "what bikes should I take to the Alps this year?" dilemma. I'd leave my Enduro and Torque DH at home and take the new Nomad, plus my Aeris 120 for bigger less "gnarr" days.
It's not directly comparable with the existing Nomad and isn't a bike for every day use, but it definitely has it's place.
Looks nice in the Juliana colour
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kimbers - Member
That looks very UK unfriendly ^^^
That's the thing. Americans are obsessed with never riding mud, so it's no worry to them. Though SC are Dutch owned now, but guess they don't ride mud or trails of any kind there anyway, just urban Dutch bikes.
BoardinBob - Member
I expect to see the Bronson move to 160mm and a 150/160mm Hightower soon
Maybe, though I'd say the industry, or at least the consumer, is shifting towards lightweight smaller travel agile bikes. Not sure there's so much hunger for ever more big travel. Though guess you've still got to be "Enduro!", but a lot of people are realising the majority of their riding doesn't need that kind of bike.
On which note... I *really* love my 5010 😀
Bigger stuff I still have my old mk2 Nomad, but it's getting a lot less used. It's not trendy super long and slack either, but will do. I'm not paying £6/7/8k+ for a bike I'll use 10% of the time. And besides Nomad v4 is full on DH to me now. Not my kind of stuff.
I think it looks wicked in the JCB yellow 😀 Totally pointless bike though for me.
I'm not sure they could have made it more ugly, or pointless.
Have a few mates on rocky slayers probably a comparable bike. The like them, still able to pedal up and smash down. Locally we have 30+km of upliftable riding, a new trail resort planned with 1000 ish meters of elevation. Plenty of gravity fed trails close enough for a weekend, perfect bike for those pair it with a tallboy for all round fun
I think it looks really good actually, I dont buy into to the winter problematic shock position thing.
That's the thing. Americans are obsessed with never riding mud, so it's no worry to them. Though SC are Dutch owned now, but guess they don't ride mud or trails of any kind there anyway, just urban Dutch bikes.
Recent sc bikes have had some of the best seals I've seen on bikes, the bearings will be buried in those links, be interesting to see mud on the shock but assume it's been well tried.
Looks nice in the Juliana colour
Don't get it too close to that fire, it'll melt!
For reference - large V10 is 423mm reach and 440mm chainstays, large Nomad 4 is 460mm reach & 430mm CS (exactly the same as the Swoop, as I pointed out before)
I'm also expecting the V10 will move to 29er wheels permanently with no 27.5 version so the "mini V10" Nomad will serve those wanting smaller wheels but hard hitting
Interesting idea. I certainly can't see them wanting to offer two wheel sizes in their worst selling model, so you could well be right about that.
Interesting idea. I certainly can't see them wanting to offer two wheel sizes in their worst selling model, so you could well be right about that.
That depends on what they have to make. If they can do it by just making a different rear end and use the same front triangle then its not too expensive to make a second version.
I guess it depends on what Pon are prepared to pay for
Looks quite cool. As close to dh bike as you can get.
It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough descents it would make sense.
I'm glad they haven't ruined it by going to 29" wheels.
I have been waiting for the mk4 but don't think ill be changing my Nomad 3 just yet. For me the best bit of the nomad 3 was the fact I could ride it all day and it never felt like a compromise or a chore but soon as it pointed downhill it was as close to a mini dh bike as I have ever found. The mk4 just seems to push it out of the realms of everyday use and closer to a dh bike which is great but even though we have some good steep rough terrain and huge drops and jumps locally it doesn't warrant a DH bike.
Whilst I don't mind the looks but i'm not keen on the colours.
I will give one a demo before I make a decision though. I thought that the 165mm travel mk3 would be too much until I tried it and found it faster up most hills than my anthem or trance.
Not the type of bike for me, but if the new Bronson looked like that, with similar reach, 29" wheels, and cost about half as much as it's likely to.........
I won't sit on the fence.
Really liked the older models but not loving that.
I'm the opposite, I always thought SC made some hideous looking bikes, this is the first VPP I like!
Says the man who obsesses over suspension kinematics of every new bike.Should have swept the toptube down a lot further to shorten that link - my eyes.
The shock will be fine, you lot dont know what youre talking about.....Giant Reigns only have a crappy seat tube to protect the shovk seals and yet lots of UK riders get on fine with those
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That fender will keep enough mud out..
Yes, changing the length of the link would alter the leverage ratio - but it is a pretty gopping way of going about getting the leverage ratio they wanted - there are literally hundreds of combinations of ways of achieving a desired levaerage ratio.
It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough descents it would make sense.
Do you live in Norfolk?.
Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales.....
Need I go on?.
Peaty's looks really nice with the ENVEs and 36s
The shock will be fine, you lot dont know what youre talking about.....Giant Reigns only have a crappy seat tube to protect the shovk seals and yet lots of UK riders get on fine with those
.That fender will keep enough mud out..
hmm cube may disagree...as do i 🙁
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and that guff fender kept no mud out! With the shock being led down it would be even worse?
Nobeerinthefridge - MemberIt's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough descents it would make sense.
Do you live in Norfolk?.
Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales.....
Need I go on?.
and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupidly fast guy in the lakes who rides everything on a hardtail.... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for 🙄
theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a 120mm f/s, just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not 😉
FTFY
It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough [b]desert[/b] it would make sense.
Considering how much SC often lead the way there's perhaps more interesting stuff about this bike than the bike itself.
1) It's not an Enduro bike, SC say it's not a race bike at all, it's a riding gravity stuff when there's no lift bike (which in fairness is what 99% of people do with Enduro bikes anyway) so not quite a 'park bike' but it's the closest thing they have - someone said "Driver 8" yeah, well that wasn't a popular bike. Which means their Enduro racers will be on 29ers I guess, although to be frank a lot of them raced Bronsons anyway.
2) Color, or Colour as they're American - dark, moody, earthy colors - it's like 2005 all over again. SC helped usher in all the lurid neon stuff a few years ago, someone better tell Intense they've screwed up.
3) No, it's not very UK friendly, but SC aren't they shit frame bearing on the regular, VPP is terrible for it, even the new one. There's a guard so you don't scratch it on your pick-up bed, but a too small shock fender - this is a North American bike.
and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupidly fast guy in the lakes who rides everything on a hardtail.... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good fortheres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a 120mm f/s, just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not
And your point is completely down to confirmation Bias on your part. There's never any [i]need[/i], but to say it's 'not for this country' is utter tripe.
and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupid[s]ly fast [/s]guy [s]in the lakes [/s]who rides everything on a [s]hardtail[/s] [b]unicycle[/b][s].... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for [/s]theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a [s]120mm f/s[/s][b]unicycle[/b], just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not [/s]
FTFY
Some people just like riding downhill faster?
It's nonsense to say that the UK is somehow smoother than anywhere else in the world, the riding in the Lake District, Peak, or Wales is as rough as you'd ride anywhere.
Nobeerinthefridge - Memberand your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupidly fast guy in the lakes who rides everything on a hardtail.... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for
theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a 120mm f/s, just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not
And your point is completely down to confirmation Bias on your part. There's never any need, but to say it's 'not for this country' is utter tripe.
not at all tripe, ive had everything from 100mm hardtails to 165mm nomad, they all do the same job at the end of the day, just comfier and more forgiving the more travel you have from my experience
I don't think a mini dh bike with 170mm is for this country no, not particularly, but if you feel the need for it then good for you, unless you are riding revs/antur or racing on it throughout the year then to me you are way overbiked for probably 90% of your riding
you realise many moons ago we had no suspension and used to ride the same trails right?!
Ps im not having a dig, it will no doubt be a great bike as are all SC that ive ridden and it will still be a good bike for bigger days, but its gone from being an agressive trail bike (mk3) to basically being a smaller v10, which then becomes a pointless bike to me if its your second bike for big days just get a proepr DH bike
looks like a rad bike to me. I'd never buy one, pointless for me (have a 5010 and a DH bike, no, something in the middle would not be good as a trail bike or DH bike).
I do like it though.
I don't think a mini dh bike with 170mm is for this country no, not particularly, but if you feel the need for it then good for you, unless you are riding revs/antur or racing on it throughout the year then to me you are way overbiked for probably 90% of [s]your[/s][b]my[/b] riding
I live near Swinley, so yes.
But if I moved back to North Yorkshire then I could see something like this (but cheaper) getting a LOT of use.
I couldn't think of anything more pointless to ride around the UK on.
Your average 160mm 650b 'enduro sled' dulls the terrain enough already, let alone some saggy 170mm coil sprung mini DH bike.
Hob Nob - MemberI couldn't think of anything more pointless to ride around the UK on.
Your average 160mm 650b 'enduro sled' dulls the terrain enough already, let alone some saggy 170mm coil sprung mini DH bike
Basicallly what im trying to say also 🙂
'Fun Sponge' is the term you're looking for I believe??
And for the record I think it's pretty ugly and for to much bike for me. But ride what you like, not sure you can be 'overbiked' it's just different strokes for different folks!
thisisnotaspoon - Member
Some people just like riding downhill faster?
There's the V10 for that.
Your average 160mm 650b 'enduro sled' dulls the terrain enough already, let alone some saggy 170mm coil sprung mini DH bike.
Depends where you ride though.
I'll point out again that Swinley isn't exactly representative of the UK (skip to 2:15 for actual riding)
There's the V10 for that.
With almost 50% more travel again and not exactly something you can pedal up the hill.
Fun Sponge' is the term you're looking for I believe??
From a previous thread: Mince tank, lethargic misery wagon
Ignoring the colours, its not a looker and then you add the colours, my eyes!
Be interesting to see what the long travel 29er looks like. Currently musing over an Orange Stage 6 to replace my Reign.
Some people just like riding downhill faster?There's the V10 for that.
Some of us like riding up and down mountains.