[Closed] Next trail bike...26 or 27.5?

get a 27.5 if you must, or wait.

The industry has decided that 27.5 is the way forward, whether it and 29 can co-exist time will tell.

If you get 26 there is a real risk that within a couple of years some spares may become an issue.

[b]mrmo[/b], I'm pretty baffled, I know choice is good an everything but I was having a tough time deciding as it is. First world problems and all that.

I know that whatever bike I get I'll love and have fun on but I'd still rather not be riding a betamax if I can help it.

The options really are 26, 27 and 29 - although none of them are actually 26, 27 or 29.

And look at a 29.

The options really are 26, 27 and 29 - although none of them are actually 26, 27 or 29

And look at a 29

Yeah, I should do really. A lot of people say they make sense for tall folk - I'm 6,3"

I mainly ride Peak, Lakes and on holiday in Scotland. Will be going Alps this summer and will be moving to NZ in the future so would need to be suited to this type of terrain.

If you get 26 there is a real risk that within a couple of years some spares may become an issue.

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24" is the future, get ahead of the curve.

Trial ride some if you can, wheel size is but one of many factors. If you bought a bike on solely one factor, you'd buy the wrong one for you.

Serious question Brant, are you saying that Rock Shox, Fox, Marzochhi etc will carry on making 26" forks when most manufacturers seem to have decided to move to 650b

For most bike shops will they hold 3 sizes of tyres, rims etc?

You can bodge a 26 into a 650b, but the otherway not so certain.

As i see it I guess it depends on how long you tend to own a bike 1 year or 10? Couple of years might be over stating it, but getting decent kit will get harder if 650b is the industry decision.

24" is the future, get ahead of the curve

Then it's a circle. 24" was all over in 1999

Cotic is staying 26, and independent (i.e. not chinese factory based) brands will continue providing quality rims and parts because of the DEMAND for them!

Buy the 26" its cheaper, fits, is at your local store and rides nicely (i presume). I too am about to drop serious coin (for the first and only time) and i'm buying 26", if we buy 26, who are they (the marketing geniuses) going to sell 27.5 too? Those that fancy the fad? Well, in 5 years that'll be 26 or 24 😆

For next year the Zesty is going to be 29 only .

I would go for whatever is the most fun!

I've had proper demos of 29" & 650b (not just a spin round the car park)

For me 26" is still the most fun - isn't that what its all about?

If you get 26 there is a real risk that within a couple of years some spares may become an issue.

My Bulls**t detector has just gone off. Where the hell are you people getting your misinformation from and why are you perpetuating it?

Get a 26" like every single other rider I know, then laugh your arse off in a few years when all this slightly different wheel size nonsense goes away.

Alternatively get whatever suits you, just don't be taken in by the idiots that insist on conning you into believing that 26" is dead. It isn't and never will be. Any manufacturers with a shred of decency will keep making 26" alongside any other new stuff they feel they have to make to sell bikes.

Not making 26" trail bikes anymore, like for example Santa Cruz are is really sticking 2 fingers up at previous years customers.

Surely its simple supply and demand? Bike manufacturers dont want mid to high end 26" forks so it stands to reason forks manufacturers Wont produce as many.

Bike manufacturers dont want mid to high end 26"

Which manufacturers would that be then? Do you have the slightest idea how many manufacturers are still making 26" or did you just make that up off the top of your head?

If you get [s]26[/s] 27.5 there is a real risk that within a couple of years some spares may become an issue

I tried to get a new swing arm for a 5 from Orange last week as mine has somehow become twisted. I cannot believe what they told me. " it's not a warranty as it more than 2 years old" fair enough. Can I buy a new swing arm please " no we don't make 26" swing arms anymore" I nearly fell over. What so you don't have ANY? " we have a few for warranty and that's it" cheers orange looks like I'm getting a different brand now. It made my blood boil

@stumpy/....really!??? ooh that'll piss me off if i bend mine then!!

For next year the Zesty is going to be 29 only .

They're making a 29er and 27.5 for 2014. The 29er will be 120mm front and back. The 27.5 will be 150mm front and back, which is baffling because the 27.5 Zesty is also 150mm f&r but with larger diameter forks and different geometry.

http://m.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Sneak-Peek-Lapierres-2014-Spicy-650B-Zesty-AM-650B-and-Zesty-Trail-29er,5906/2014-Lapierre-Spicy-Team-650B,58227/bturman,109

Buying a bike at this time of year you are always going to be faced with a decision of whether to buy the last of this year's model (hopefully with a bit of a discount) or wait for next year's model. As always, you've just got to decide whether the changes being brought in justify the extra money. If the only change is a 3% bigger wheel and you can save a bit of money by buying this year's model then I'd do that. 3% isn't going to change much and you'll be able to keep whatever you buy now running for as long as you want. But there may be other changes with the new model that are more important.

Also, if you are looking for a new XC or Trail bike you probably should at least consider a 29er. The change there (10%) still isn't as dramatic as some folk would have you believe, but it does make a noticeable difference. Unfortunately you probably need to ride one for longer than your average test ride in order to decide whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages for you.

@stumpy: That doesn't sound like Orange's much fabled customer service. In fact it sounds downright worrying. Personally I don't care what wheel sizes they choose. They are the designers and it is up to them to design whatever they think is the best bike (and up to us to decide if we agree). But one of the things that draws me to Orange is a belief that I'll always be able to get parts. If they are not going to support existing customers then I'm much less likely to want to become one. Personally, I wouldn't let that lie and would be all over the place warning potential customers of this "issue" until they relent and knock out another swing arm for you. I doubt they've lost the drawings!

I already posted this once today but can't resist doing so again:

[Cynical mode switched on]

Anyone else looking forward to those new 26" wheels being marketed in about 3-5 years time?

Press release along the lines of 'lighter, stronger and more agile' or something.

[Cynical mode switched off]

Not going to happen I don't think. I thought the same when 29ers came out. Just give it a few years and they'll be pushing the benefits of 26" wheels again, I thought. In fact, they are pushing smaller wheels again, but they are not quite the same as 26". So, basically, you're prediction has already come true but they never actually try to sell you the old thing again (even they don't think we're that daft), they just try and sell you a new thing that is indistinguishable from the old thing.

I did post that somewhat tongue in cheek tbh.

Although one thing I do find interesting is that 'the talk' is all of how 650b is sounding the death knell of the 26er because it has the benefits of bigger wheels, without the negatives, so why isn't it killing off both wheel sizes then?

All that ^ from someone who just wants to ride bikes and said he wouldn't get dragged into wheel size debates! Doh!

I tried to get a new swing arm for a 5 from Orange last week as mine has somehow become twisted. I cannot believe what they told me. " it's not a warranty as it more than 2 years old" fair enough. Can I buy a new swing arm please " no we don't make 26" swing arms anymore" I nearly fell over. What so you don't have ANY? " we have a few for warranty and that's it" cheers orange looks like I'm getting a different brand now. It made my blood boil.

This is bad business, I can't understand their thinking??!? 😕

I tried to get a new swing arm for a 5 from Orange last week as mine has somehow become twisted. I cannot believe what they told me. " it's not a warranty as it more than 2 years old" fair enough. Can I buy a new swing arm please " no we don't make 26" swing arms anymore" I nearly fell over. What so you don't have ANY? " we have a few for warranty and that's it" cheers orange looks like I'm getting a different brand now. It made my blood boil.

If that's the case then Orange have just gone from being my favourite bike brand to a complete joke.

Pathetic.

Bruce, that's exactly how I feel. I have owned oranges for years steadily upgrading from a subzero, crush finally to my dream bike, a five. I'm definitely been guilty of being a fan boy and gushing about them to everyone and going on about their legendary cornering ability.
I was told It had the wrong bearings in it. (Impossible you can't put wrong bloody bearings in it!) and to bend it like that someone must have stood on it. The entire feeling I got was that they just wanted me to go away.
Now I'm no Luddite and I am open to all change. I'm actually putting some 650b's on the 456 to see what it feels like.
What's totally pissing me off is that after going to the manufacturer in the uk they refuse to help me. It's not like an LBS dragging their feet. This is it. A definitive no. Now I don't have my dream bike anymore. I'm combing the ads and eBay for a swing arm. Utterly depressing.
Just hope any of you five owners out there don't have any problems.

That's why I wouldn't let this lie. A lot of potential customers could be put off by this. If you make a very public fuss it's got to be in their best interest to sort you out.

Orange sound like a right bunch of ****s. Be interesting if one of their reps was to come on here and explain. If you do get a stealth offer, let us know.

If you were in the market for a new full suspension trail bike tomorrow, would you be tempted to go for the new wheel standard?

Yes, I'd buy the biggest wheeled bike that does the job. I enjoy my 29er HT so buy into the benefits of big wheels, but I can see how maybe getting a 29er wheel into a long travel FS frame might compromise the design a bit. But I'd choose 650b over 26 any day, it it does the job (and I don't see why it shouldn't).

I've also no significant investment or mental baggage invested in 26, it's easy to let it go for me, mentally I dropped it as soon as I had my first good ride on a 29er.

I'm actually putting some 650b's on the 456 to see what it feels like.

FYI one of my riding buddies did this, loved it, he's just moved them over to his Whippet for a try out and is enjoying that too.

I'm hanging on for one of them new fangled penny farthings. All the rolling benefits of a massive wheel up front, direct drive save pounds on gears n stuff (original singlespeed) and that little wheel at the back is super lightweight with a £65 Nobby Farthing XC 4X Fandango dual compound Hipster tyre on it....
all of us should be out riding.
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Stumpy

They said my ST4 was within spec when it was blatantly pissed, "that's pretty good for one of our bikes because they are handmade and it's hard to get them straight. The tolerance is 4mm". 4mm tolerance on back end, sort of banana like! The bike shop couldn't believe that they didn't sort it out and that it was miles out.

This is my second bike off of them in two years and will be the last.

I'm astounded that Orange have ceased making something that actually made them something and who they are to day I'm all for change and progress but for them to cease production and refuse warranty then I personally think its disgusting,

I've got a Santa Cruz Butcher, I've had it over 2 years ! It's developed a problem and I'm getting it replaced ! Due to the fact that they ceased production of the Butcher I was offered a Nomad ! A 2013 one !

I'm not trying to blow smoke up any ones arse but the Bike Shop, the Importer & SC US have been great, if they would have ****ed me off though I'd have been pissed and wouldn't have taken it lightly !

Theres some crap spoken on here.

Your orange frame is out of warranty. If your frame was in warranty you would be offered one of the warranty swingarms they have in stock. When these run out and if your frame is still in warranty you would be offered a 27.5 Five.

Dont see wants wrong about that.

When my right XT brake went wrong in warranty, i was only offered a 2013 model as they didn't have any spares. That meant i had to sell my left brake and buy a new 2013 brake to have a matching set.

Its exactly the same with the Santa Cruz story above, the frame was in warranty, they didn't make or have stock of the old model, so they offered you another (and for that matter completely different) model.

The warranty is not the issue Rik, the issue is they are reported to have stopped making spares for the product. The product is no longer supported. That's worth knowing.

I believe Hope for instance make spares for their brakes long after they stop selling a model.

IMO upto and including 140mm travel: 29er, 150mm+: 650b, 140 - 150mm: either whatever the bike brand you go for has. Full on DH rig: 26er.

140mm 29er trail bike overbiked? Absolutely. But tremendous fun. I love mine. Like a monster truck.

Better choosing the bike first then wheel size rather than the other way round or go for something like the Banshee Spitfire which will take both. You're covered then.

As they no longer do the 26 er that is not the same as getting this years model of brake. It is being given something different- like say them not having a disc brake but offering you another brake that requires you to have a new set of wheels and tyre etc in order to work.

I do own one and I always try and but British but if they do this then i will never have another.

Feell sorry for them in a way as the 5 is just so good it neither breaks nor is it really upgradable as it just works but very bad show from them

Would it be possible to stick the 27.5 swingarm on your frame and run a 26in wheel? The overall effect on the geo would be negligible would it not?

My Bulls**t detector has just gone off. Where the hell are you people getting your misinformation from and why are you perpetuating it?

I suggest you get it recalibrated then. Fox have already said to a number of people they are phasing out production of 26" forks for 2014.

Any manufacturers with a shred of decency will keep making 26" alongside any other new stuff they feel they have to make to sell bikes.

They will, it will just be the cheap crap.

Which manufacturers would that be then? Do you have the slightest idea how many manufacturers are still making 26" or did you just make that up off the top of your head?

I'll revisit this in a few months, when most of the industry has launched its 2014 bikes. I'll give you a clue though. Very few, to the extent that entire ranges of 26" bikes that had been spec'd and signed off for production have been pulled & redesigned as 27.5" bikes.

There will always be smaller, niche brands (such as Cotic) who will do things a little different, but the mid to high end market 26" is dead for 2014. Whoever is left standing with the 26" at the start of the year isn't going to be selling many bikes, whether you agree or not. It's not going to happen, or happening, it's already been done months ago.

Read the article by Chipps & digest.

the mid to high end market [s]26"[/s] is dead for 2014

FTFY. Anyone with a choice and half a brain won't be upgrading next year, perhaps not even the year after.

What wrecker said.

My frame is 650b compatible but I'll wait until there are more choices for wheels and tyres.

FTFY. Anyone with a choice and half a brain won't be upgrading next year, perhaps not even the year after.

Unlikely, but maybe there are a lot of people with less than half a brain out there, as SC has sold more Bronson's in the short time it's been available than any other bike in it's range for this whole year (internal source at SC).

In fact if they carry on with the current sale ratio, they will sell more Bronson's that ALL of the rest of the range put together by the end of 2014.

The STW cynics are generally nothing like the actual buying demographics for these brands.

There are some funny rushed to the market compromised designs out there. The best ones I've seen in the flesh so far are the Intense Tracer 27.5 - genuinely made me LOL looking at the clearance. And a Pivot 429 where you could barely get a credit card in the clearance space, wasn't even a large volume tyre. No chance against British mud.

Looking at the comments which have appeared on this site in the last few weeks, it is certainly not unlikely. At least in the UK. How may bronsons have SC sold in the UK?
That also may have something to do with the fact that they're no longer making the blur.......(of which SC sold more than the rest of their range combined)
Oh, and extrapolation doesn't work.

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Fox have already said to a number of people they are phasing out production of 26" forks for 2014.

Fox's 2014 lineup features 28 different models of 26" fork, that's 1 more than the amount of 650 and 29er forks they offer put together.

The warranty is not the issue Rik, the issue is they are reported to have stopped making spares for the product. The product is no longer supported. That's worth knowing.

Orange are no different to any other bike manufacture.

Can you please name me any bike manufacture, at all, that continue to make major structural parts of a discontinued model of frame. Santa Cruz, Specialized, Trek, Lapierre all don't - if you break a frame which has been discontinued then they will offer you the latest model.

It's a fair point. I doubt Giant would sell me a 26" swing arm for my Trance either. But they charge a fair but less for a bike built in Holland and offer a lifetime warranty on the frame, I think. People pay a premium for an Orange bike and part of the motivation for that is a belief that they will look after you for a long time to come. So, it may be unreasonable, but I'd still be a bit more nervous now about buying a new 650b Five.

Considering the new 5 was only announced a few days ago, I think it's disgusting. The residual value of 26" 5s is not going to be what it was.....

If true it's very poor, a wise business supports customers for a decent period of time, even when a product is discontinued. IMO 2 years, for a mountain bike, is not enough.

It doesn't fill one with confidence does it?

A wise business supports its customer if, and only if, there is a viable business full stop. There is no moral obligation. I can't see demand for 26" stuff dropping off any time soon even if the wheel format does change going forward.

Nice one Orange. A design you've sold for years. Right upto this year? 'Only a few left for warranty'?

So if your frame's rear arm breaks in two years thats £1499...

That also may have something to do with the fact that they're no longer making the blur.......(of which SC sold more than the rest of their range combined)

You sure? Isn't there a Blur on test in this months' WMB?

Nice one Orange. A design you've sold for years. Right upto this year? 'Only a few left for warranty'?

So if your frame's rear arm breaks in two years thats £1499...

If this turns out to be true then my current bike (Orange Five 2011) will be my first and last!

They need to look at Litevilles warranty policy, I have and I like what I see.

to the original question....

just got a 26" 140mm trail bike brand new less than a month ago. get in now before you don't have a choice!

It's great I'm faster than I was on my old bike and I'm happy.

Yes but Nico would have been 1 sec faster on a 650sec than yours on a DH course..