[Closed] New(ish) bike pic... WARNING: Ragley content!

Grrrrrrr...... 😀

I think they're odd looking. But not in a bad way particularly. But the fork is so long that the duistance between the front wheel and the frame looks wierd, and the bottom bracket looks high (no idea whether it is) and the top tube looks very long and very high and then you notice the seat angle. It's decidedly peculiar. I guess I'll get used to them, and I'm sure we're going to be seeing a very great number of them. 🙂

Looks nice

Blue pig the steel frame? what does it weigh in at? sub 30lb still?

i tried van 36's on my Ti456 - just too much fork.....front end felt vague and less responsive and it suffered in singletrack quite a bit...

found the sweet spot @ 140mm on Van 32 15mm BT's.

let us know how you get on 😀

Blue pig the steel frame? what does it way in at? sub 30lb still?

yep to Steel

no idea on the weight - I spec my bikes for longevity and live with the weight penalty. Handled two days of proper mountain biking (1000m plus of alpine climbing and hike a biking) plus all the descent that's involved with no problems. Although I doubt any of the bikes on that trip were sub 30lbs - that's the penalty you pay for having the most fun on the way down.

You could definitely get it down to sub 30 if you used air forks, single ply tyres etc. The frame is somewhere around 6lbs? I think!

i tried van 36's on my Ti456 - just too much fork...

Not so on the Ragley. In fact I think a bit slacker would be better still - although the BB is a touch high with that fork on...

I always prefer to see the front of my forks when riding rather than the back 🙂

[i]Handled two days of proper mountain biking (1000m plus of alpine climbing and hike a biking) plus all the descent that's involved with no problems[/i]

Sounds ace. 🙂

Hmmmmmm, 's alright. Not doing a great deal for me, though.

yeah - one of the reasons i was keen on the ragley ti was due to the slacker HA, but the fugly cable routing, lack of ISCG and standover forces me to wait until these issues are addressed 😀

Does, sounds magic......have my susser all set up for my Alps trip but thinking maybe the Ti456 could be a scream out there. I'm driving, maybe I will take both.

Nice bike by the way, orange is my new favourite bike colour.

Sounds ace

It certainly was. We rode out of Morzine and over to a refuge way above Gryon in Switzerland - then back the next day - 17k and 1500m of descent from the Refuge followed by the 'short' way back to Morzine from Champery...

There'll be some photos and a ride report up on [url= http://www.ridemorzine.org ]ride morzine[/url] soon enough.

Ti456 could be a scream out there

for sure - bring 'em both!

Hmmmmmm, 's alright. Not doing a great deal for me, though

Each to their own - I agree it does look a little odd though!

Still think the seat tube is too long for the top tube. If it was more low slung it could be quite nice. Frame looks kinda 80's in profile as it is.

Yeah, I was going to say it looks pretty retro.

Not that that's a bad thing.

I like that - nice.

Mahoosive forks on hardtails rock 🙂

Is that the right size frame for you?

It looks purposeful, rather than handsome.

The "short" way back from Champery is bloody good fun IIRC

The top tube is rather high for the frame size on mine, I've 16" and the standover clearance is about as tight as I'd want to comfortably go

We just took delivery of another Ti frame. And some shiney CK BB and Headset buffness to fit to it. Lucky lucky chap.

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Nice 😀

Is that the right size frame for you?

yep - think so. I'm just over 6ft. feels like a good size for me..

and yes, the top tube is a little on the high side - but so far it's only an aesthetic thing - NBT's 16 incher is a bit nicer looking IMO.

what size frame is it?

what size frame is it?

that, sir, is an 18 incher. And I've just been informed that the frame weight is 5.6lbs..

You can never tell from a photo but the orange one looks like it'd have a ridiculously steep head angle as soon as the forks compress! How do bikes like that handle with such long travel forks? I reckon about 130 mm is the longest I'd ever want on a hardtail... (not that I've ever tried anything longer).

140mm on my Chameleon.
It handles it just fine TBH

myfatherwasawolf - Member

You can never tell from a photo but the orange one looks like it'd have a ridiculously steep head angle as soon as the forks compress! How do bikes like that handle with such long travel forks? I reckon about 130 mm is the longest I'd ever want on a hardtail... (not that I've ever tried anything longer).

I can see what you mean. I'm looking forward to trying this out - previously I had an inbred with revelations set @ 115mm, and was discussing with Brant how I didn't "get" long travel hardtails, but eventually decided to give it a go. The initial shakedown rides have been great, I've not had any problems with climbing or descending, am looking forward to trying some more technical stuff on it

Fair enough NBT. I've regressed over the years to 100 mm and flat bars! Don't know if you remember Ashley, back in the day he rode an Azonic DS1 with Boxxers, which I could never get on with, not that it held him back at all!

black looks far nicer.
frame is too lardy for me - 5.6lbs. Might carry it well (whatever that means) but it's all the same uphill.
mmmm....gusset is a matter of taste.
Personally, I've never bottomed out 130mm so no point going for more travel.

I've never bottomed out 130mm

I suspect you've got too much air or a too hard spring in there - always good to bottom out your shocks once or twice a ride - there's no point in having all that travel if it's not all used...

Long forks work well on a hard tail - you mustn't forget that whatever it is that's causing the fork to compress is a big lump in the ground - thus the angles don't change all that much the forks take the hit so the bars stay level (ish)...

Looks nice, I'm very jealous...

How does it compare to the Prince Albert (My current ride) in ride and weight?

I'm tempted to buy one just because I find my Dialled Alpine a touch on the small side for longer bike rides.

Whats the TT length like? I imagine it feels pretty long.

Forgot, no ISCG mounts. Nightmare, what was the designer thinking!

in comparison to the PA... ride wise this is definately more confidence inspiring and feels a bit less harsh. I loved the PA, but it certainly couldn't take to the 160 forks..

I did prefer the PA's compactness - but then it was a 17inch rather than this 18inch frame.

I have a mate out here with a PA, so we're planning on going for a ride and swapping for a run or two - just to see exactly what's going on.

I have to say that the PA was transformed with the short stem and wide bars though - and 140mm forks.

Weightwise - no idea - I guess they must be the same(ish) not light - but my tyres probably out-weigh the frame, so it's a non-issue for me.

TT length is 23.5inches on mine - nice and long so you can fit a short stem without being squashed.

i'm sorry but that looks stupid. NBT's looks ok from this angle cos we cant see how long it is.

and i thought my norco was a barge...

I was thinking about an Mmmbop but am coming around to the idea that the ride feel of the BluePig might be worth the extra frame weight.

What do you think?

What do you think?

I don't rightly know as I've not tried the Mmmmbop...

it's a fair bit lighter I suppose - but just carry 2 litres of water instead of 3 in your camelbak and you've made the savings instantly...

I'm not entirely sure about the comments knocking the long top tube. Proportionately for a given frame size, they're marginally shorter than the Inbred. Now some people will automatically say it looks long, but I've had Inbred's and Scandals and love them for the roominess the frame gives, without needing to go up another frame size. Horses for courses I suppose, but once again people need to try these things before writing them off. I also think that it could look long because of the 'thinner diameter' tubes and big forks, which I don't think will apply to the alloy mmmBop with its larger diameter tubing.

I was partially put off by the idea of the slack head tube, wondering if it would work on flatter, British singletrack but as I read from people who have ridden the bike, the more positive people seem to be about them. Think I'm going to have to try one and form my own opinion...

Think I'm going to have to try one and form my own opinion...

alas a sensible voice

should say I got full travel on a road trip to the 7stanes but it's a rare occasion in the south.

the slack(er) head angle on flat singletrack should make it more of a handful. i would be [i]more[/i] interested in reviews from owners in 6-8 months time when the new bike *warm and fuzzy* feeling has worn off.

^^^ like wors says.

Pardon me for being ignorant, is that a 96er? Or do I need my eyes tested?

Really like the bike though, trying to get my head round the concept...

I'm running a 50mm stem and 485 wide bars on my PA now and am loving it with 130mm travel forks...

Changing down from a 70mm stem really sharpened up the steering for me without making the bike feel too short.

Definitely gonna have to demo the BP tho, as soon as someone near me gets one in!

review of frames in this months WMB gave it runners up spot behind pace 405.

kona_ona - Member

Pardon me for being ignorant, is that a 96er? Or do I need my eyes tested?

Really like the bike though, trying to get my head round the concept...

why isn't it blue?