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walleater,the instruction manual that comes with the hub explains why they should be laced a certain way.
Indeed. I'll let you know Harry's answer.
To be fair, I sent the hubs to him without the instruction manual, so he built them the way he has built disc wheels for years rather than intentionally ignoring the instructions. I didn't think that there would be anything specific about the hubs. Maybe there is something specific about the King hubs, but it will be interesting to see his response.
Wheel building is quite an art, and the finer details of elbows in/out and crossing overlap are a subtle but important mystery to me!
Yep the wheels have been built the way I would normally, but for King hubs the lacing on the front wheel leading spoke should be heads out on the disk side. Don't think it meantions that for the rear hub though
Just looked again to make sure i hadnt jumped the gun yesterday. Nope, the blue and green doesnt work. Sorry. Swap them out for black asap
That's one lovely bike.
Anytime you're selling some (practically brand spanking) 2nd hand forks again, let me know! The Fox Float Xs I bought off you are still going well. Took a bit of dialling in, but they're great on my steel Ht.
Glad to hear it! After a couple of years' off, Fox have come back to the Terra Logic thing this year again. What goes around comes around!
I am sticking with the green. Largely for financial reasons, but also I kind of like it!
If i had the choice,i would have built them like this too! King want it their way though.Ive done it the opposite to what King have said in the past but never rectified the mistake for obvious reasons.Their way is deffo the way i would lace a king hub now though.. as if anything went pear shaped,you wont have the lacing issue haunting you in the future over something about the hub that might crop up. (maybe even something that has naff all to do with the lacing but also something they might use to get out of a warranty claim)
It would be good to hear what King has been doing warranty-wise Re: internal problems/spoke lacing.
Seriously though, this looks like my dream hardtail! I would love this to not only ride,but to look at.for hours!
I honestly can't see it making such a huge difference. The grain of the aluminium can't be that different from the outside to the inside of the flange, and I really don't see how the force can be so different elbows in vs out, but as i mentioned earlier I don't fully understand the subtleties of wheel building.
At the same time, King must be so specific for good reason, although I can't see why they feel the need when nobody else does, and the stresses and loads are the same for every wheel.
At the same time, Harry knows his stuff, and I can only assume that he built them this way intentionally.
Oh, I don't know! Think I'l just ride 'em and see!
Anybody else running King at the front with this way of building vs the King recommendation (or maybe you are all dead after a horrific front wheel collapse?!).
Wheel response from Harry:
The leading spoke is the one that takes the strain and this is better on the outside. I do what Shimano recommend as it makes sense to me. You get driving and braking on the rear and braking only on the front.
The leading spoke is obviously orientated in a different direction (as per Harry's build on the photos) depending on whether it is on the drive or braking side at the rear, and at the front both sides are built for braking optimisation. A contrary argument to King, but equally convincing.
King make hubs, Harry builds wheels. I am prepared to trust the guy who has built TDF, World Cup and Olympic wheels!
I would be interested to understand what way round anybody else has them....
Theres a mixture out there.I have done shimano-style but also king-style too.Ive seen mostly shimano style elsewhere to be honest.
From King..
"The front ISO should be laced 3-or-more-cross with the rotor (left) side pulling spokes (relative to braking direction) heads out/elbows in (when laced 3-cross). The final cross of the pulling spoke must be on the outside so that, as braking force is applied, increased pulling spoke tension will pull the crossed spokes towards the center of the hub and away from the caliper. Lace the wheel symmetrically."
Just ride it! Ive never seen any king flange fail.If you look around the pro dh bikes at world cups,you often see the same bikes built with lacing all differing from one bike to the next. They are probably building wheels as well as possible regardless of lacing pattern as they know the rim could be hammered after a few runs anyway!
Just ride it! Good advice. Think I'll do just that. I really can't see why King are so specific with their recommendations.