Bike journo in being a twit shocker.
Is a little unfair, Wil just says it nods it's head on stand up efforts when you're climbing , but doesn't have a lock out on the fork that would help a bit. That's not really being a twit...
Anyone thinking of fitting an aftermarket coil might need to look at the strut/stroke length ratio too, Fox are saying it could void the warranty on their shocks
Can't see why?
The Evo pro comes with a coil shock.
I really like the idea of being able to easily change the character of the bike. Makes it a potential 1 bike for everything, steep and high for trail rides and slack and low for uplift days. But carbon only is disappointing.
Have they said no alu frames later?
There hasn't been any hint of an alu Enduro either, has there?
I thought lock-out only came on cheap bikes with Suntour forks or similar.
My YT Capra has lockout on the forks (Lyrik RCT3, not exactly cheap) and shock, it's really handy. I would want it on a bike like a Stumpjumper definitely. Didn't realise it wasn't cool any more. 😕
What’s the problem there then? Clevis mount putting additional stress on the shaft?
Dunno I'm just a thicko bike mechanic, they sent a lovely technical type bulletin thing, I have tried to add it in the link, because posting pictres is still beyond me.
Interesting. I was told similar when upgrading the shock on my Whyte S150. TF Tuned said they'd had problems with the extra loads from yoke style linkages and the Cane Creek DB coil, as it has a very small shaft diameter, but other shocks with bigger shafts should be okay. Thought they were being overly cautious until I came across one online, shaft snapped and punched a hole through the under side of the top tube.
I've seen this too.. air shocks have a 30 odd mm shaft (the air canister) whereas coil have a solid 12mm ish shaft, AND then the coil around it...
Certain coil shocks only work with the stumpy....
DrP
Interesting. I was told similar when upgrading the shock on my Whyte S150. TF Tuned said they’d had problems with the extra loads from yoke style linkages and the Cane Creek DB coil, as it has a very small shaft diameter, but other shocks with bigger shafts should be okay. Thought they were being overly cautious until I came across one online, shaft snapped and punched a hole through the under side of the top tube.
One of the selling points of the metric standard was more bushing overlap.... Although in the case you cite, non existent application validation.
Old Spesh enduro was renowned for chewing through shocks, placing additional bending load on them.
Long yokes just come across as a bad idea, you would think RS/fox/etc would be guiding and signing off the use of their shocks....
Latest downtime podcast for the stumpy evo is interesting, some of the responses were questionable IMO.
Bike looks lovely and some real nice changes from the current Evo , which I have, in aluminium.
BUT
1. No 27.5 version !? 🙁
2. No Al version !? 🙁
Why?
1. No 27.5 version !? 🙁
2. No Al version !? 🙁
the status does pretty much both of those things. I don't think that non-mullet 27.5 bikes will really exist in a couple of years time - other than maybe on small/x-small things that you can't get a 29er under
I can only imagine that they wont do an alloy version as it will take sales away from the Status, as apart from the mullet setup, they are similar bikes.
Its good to see that they have now made an Evo worth buying tho, as the previous version never seemed to get good reviews.
I quite liked the idea of that, the looks not so much, ohhh they even make a properly big one I thought, excellent. Skimmed a bike radar [s] review [/s] release and it (specifically*) mentions the sizes are pitched for rider weight then gives two examples
The frames have also been built with specific riders’ weights in mind to tune the feel, so someone who weighs 120kg riding an S6 will experience the same ride qualities as a 50kg rider on an S1.
so basically, if you're not 5' tall you'd best be heavy indeed or 7'4".
Ah well, keep looking then.
*I'd assumed this was already the case but it's never mentioned.
thatll just be the shock tune though
thatll just be the shock tune though
On a carbon frame I'd absolutely expect it to be the layup at the least if you made a point of mentioning it but even if it is just the shock tune, that means anyone of a "healthy" weight will need it custom tuned from day 1 or find it wallowy as hell or incredibly harsh as they try compensate for over damping by adjusting spring pressure.
or you could just twiddle the damping dials to make it suit you?
Since SirHC mentioned it, I listened to the downtime podcast last night. The Specialized people said for the shock it's only the rebound tune that changes between frame sizes. Compression tune they think there's enough adjustment externally.
For the frame they tune the ride based on expected rider weight for each size, using a different layup and bigger stiffer tubing for the larger sizes. Personally as someone either fitting a S5 or S6 but only weighing 72kg I don't agree with this.
A bit disappointed that they've reduced the clearance on the back. Couldn't the old stumpy evo take up to a 3" tyre and now it's down to 2.5"? Having plenty of clearance is never a bad thing in my book, it will usually get full of claggy mud at some point.
Think I’ll stick with my 2019 Evo Pro.
I reckon the Casacade link would make the suspension kinematic pretty similar to the 2021 frame.
£300 vs £3000!
2700 is a lot to pay for 20mm extra reach, a taller headtube and steeper seat angle!
Oh and the random bladder thing for the downtube!
This stumpy is too close to the Enduro for me, as someone whos looking at a short travel FS or agro hardtail Id love to see those angles but on a 130/120 bike.
I like the numbers & the adaptability of it. In fact, it's probably a more suitable bike than my Enduro is. Might listen to the DT Podcast - can get corking deals on Spesh so I can probably get out of one, into the other for nothing.
This stumpy is too close to the Enduro for me, as someone whos looking at a short travel FS or agro hardtail Id love to see those angles but on a 130/120 bike.
I think the issue is that the "aggro" geometry puts you in a position where you need more than 130mm/120mm of travel.....
There was a general consensus in reviews that the bike was limited by 140mm of travel (29er version)
the epic evo has a 480mm reach and 66.5 head angle, its not far off?
There was a general consensus in reviews that the bike was limited by 140mm of travel (29er version)
But where do you stop...?
I've a 2019 stumpy... 140 rear, but 160 front.
Feels great on trails, jumps, drops etc...
First FS I've had in yonks and gonna race enduro on it...
I've not (personally) felt it needed more in the rear... it feels bottomless in it's travel...
Plus it's rideable... sdw climbs, technical bursts..great for all...!
DrP
There may be a general industry consensus that less travel = less progressive geometry, but I wouldn't agree myself.
I could see a 130 or 140mm bike with this kind of geo being brilliant fun and really versatile.
I could see a 130 or 140mm bike with this kind of geo being brilliant fun and really versatile.
I test rode the first gen Stumpy Evo, and one the issues, with short travel/progressive geometry is that it does encourage you to seek out steeper and more technical stuff to throw the bike down, and then end up after a while wishing you had just a wee bit more travel to make it a bit more composed over the terrain you're now looking to ride.
Yeah, but I wouldn't have it as an only bike.
Well, I will be (hopefully) taking mine to Morzine in 2021. All my mates will be on DH bikes...
I’ve got a Cascade link on the way and can remove the spacer from the TTX air to get 55mm stroke. Should = 160mm travel at the rear.
Throw a 160mm airshaft and luftkappe in the 36s and should be good to go!
I think the issue is that the “aggro” geometry puts you in a position where you need more than 130mm/120mm of travel…..
But that logic just results in an arms race to slacker --> more travel required --> more slackness required etc.
I quite liked owning a 130mm bike with slack angles. I'd vastly prefer that to a long travel bike with steep angles, anyway.
There was a general consensus in reviews that the bike was limited by 140mm of travel (29er version)
But where do you stop…?
Isn't it more than the shock fitted wasnt upto the job and they simply blamed the lack of travel. Cascade have made a rocker which fixes part of the problem, the next bit is to put a decent shock in there, which on the old one wasnt straight forward as there wasn't always the clearance in some sizes (and carbon?) To run big shocks.
What I'd like to see is a proper bump stop in the shocks and forks, hydraulic as per the ext storia. Then we wouldn't need that extra travel to hide the inbuilt deficiencys of the designs. Might get that at some point with the incremental gains the industry makes.
Yeah, but I wouldn’t have it as an only bike.
I think that's kind of the issue, a stumpy ("EVO" or otherwise) sort of should be the type of bike that you can see as a "one bike solution"... This is really more like an "Enduro light" which is fine, it's just the product naming that's confused think really.
There are lots of other choices for a mid travel 29er with progressive geometry now maybe it's just not in specialized's interests to follow the herd....
Non evo version is on the website, probably by mistake:
Numbers look really good, quite interested in one of the ali ones if they come in a half decent colour.
Numbers look really good, quite interested in one of the ali ones if they come in a half decent colour.
Agreed, that numbers for the frame look good, 140 front and 130 rear too. Have to go have a look at one when they hit shops!
The '19/20 Evo's suspension issues were more related to the kinematics than to the shock itself (which, without being absolutely top notch, was perfectly adequate).
The moderate travel, combined with low anti squat and low progression (9%) just didn't work for full on riding. The bike sat very deep in it's travel, tended to stay there and then hit a wall when out of travel. I'm not exaggerating, my ankles never ached so bad than when I was doing DH laps on the alloy Evo I had.
You could install the biggest volume spacer available, but then, if you're any heavy, the pressure spike at the end of the travel was so high that it messed up with the rebound adjustment.
The non-Evo geometry looks good, but I can;t tell if it has the headset adjust capability of the Evo as well?
Doesn't look like it from the photos they've put up
"The non-Evo geometry looks good, but I can;t tell if it has the headset adjust capability of the Evo as well?"
It does look good! 99% certain it doesn't have the clever headset, as it isn't mentioned in the same bit of the blurb (and I think it would risk competing too much with the Evo if it did).
Different geo to the aluminium model and with flexing stays. Nice to see they've put some effort into keeping the weight down. Many bikes seem to be getting heavier and heavier at the moment. Although can only see a weight for the S-Works frame.
Different geo to the aluminium model
The alu one is better IMO. Longer chainstays on the most-popular sizes and a better spread of reach figures.
Its up on the UK site with prices
https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/stumpjumper?utm_campaign=UK %7C Stumpjumper&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ0cmFjZXlsYXd0b25AZ29vZ2xlbWFpbC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJOSGRVeDkifQ%3D%3D
Ha, I was going to say the chainstays are getting a bit too long on the aluminium model. Seat angle is better/steeper, resultingly quite a big difference in top tube lengths for the same reach.
3.5k model looks good value. This and the equivalent Evo seem to undercut Trek and Giant by a good chunk.
There's those flexy stays...
If I hadn't bought an occam this year that would be my next bike. Looks like the perfect all-rounder for my riding.
I was thinking the same thing, but I did buy my occam and it is good. I actually asked the dealer if Orbea have anything more like this coming out. Really like swat though. Plus I’m a sucker for Spesh marketing. What kind of warranty do they offer?
Looks nice for a Specialized, but early reviews suggest it pedals like crap and isn't that fun to ride, GuyKesTV seemed to slate the pedalling performance but says its comes up short on the downhills too... Shame as it looks good on paper and SWAT is a great idea. Was expecting a bit more from it with all the hype. But then I rode a circa 2010/11 Stumpy years ago and it was (and still is, despite riding a lot more since) one of the biggest heaps of garbage I've ever ridden.
