[Closed] New granny gear thing for 1x10 users.

Quite interesting I suppose but £60 seems a touch pricey!

ok, this is just getting silly now.

Silly? Why?

good to see they chose to test it on a bike with a double chainset 😉

actually it's a lot cheaper than any of the other solutions I've seen to get wider ration without going to X11 etc.

Looks great but wait to see if prices drops when a couple of companies bring them out, bit like the narrow/wide.

darn site cheaper than XX1 or the general lee solution.

Really like the look of that.

Hopefully works components will do something similar. I'm currently 32t up front and 11-36 on the cassette, that's enough for getting up everything but for racing it would be nice to spin the legs out in an easy gear on the transitions to save the legs a bit.

I've said this many times but Shimano could make (even more) money if they did a dedicated 1x10 wide-range group.

I would be having that if I hadn't just splashed out on a short cage mech

Good idea but I'll wait for superstar to copy it 🙂

What about flex? That's a long way between the teeth and where it's anchored (the spacer), especially as it's alloy (even my 34t is steel). I wonder if shifts would feel a bit noodly.

I like that and would consider it on the next 1x10 drivetrain replacement. Surely Shimano are going to do a 1x10/11?

neat idea for some, but if you took their [i]Work Less Ride More[/i] slogan seriously, then you would have strong enough legs not to need it.

I think a decent middle ground is possible, a ten speed 11-38 cassette would be great and shouldn't work out much more expensive than normal. Shimano and sram seem to be ignoring a big demand for reasonably priced ten speed wide range cassettes.

Not sure about that jump smack in the middle of the cassette either, I happen to know that's a gear I use a lot!

An entire XX1 group is less than £750 at CRC, there must be vouchers around to get that even lower. If you're looking to go 10 speed anyway and your wheels are compatible it's probably not a huge jump!

bob_summers - Member
Good idea but I'll wait for superstar to copy it

What about flex? That's a long way between the teeth and where it's anchored (the spacer), especially as it's alloy (even my 34t is steel). I wonder if shifts would feel a bit noodly.

^This (including the Superstar bit). There have been some around for a while in steel and most feedback on mtbr says that they just bend and fold under load.

I happen to know that's a gear I use a lot!

Look on the bright side. It won't wear out so quick 🙂

750 is a good price for XX1 but by the time I've added a twist shifter and a ProII freehub, it's waaaay over budget.

Superstar cant 'copy' it until the Taiwanese design it, make it, test it and offer it to them... we may be waiting a while! - They don't actually make anything themselves remember....

I quite like the look of this (apart from the green which will come off in seconds!) and may give one a go - but a bit put out by the jump from removing the 17T

Hurry up shimano and make a 11-40T 10 speed cassette, if it was under £80 you would sell buckets of them!

Look on the bright side. It won't wear out so quick

And that's how I know I use it loads 😉

750 is a good price for XX1 but by the time I've added a twist shifter and a ProII freehub, it's waaaay over budget.

That includes Grip Shift. I'm certainly not saying it's cheap, but for those considering upgrading it's not a bad price at all.

It does? Well I'm running out of excuses not to upgrade 😕

Wonder how well this works with a 10 speed rear mech? I thought the 11 speeds were significantly different in order to get out the way of, and shift up to, the massive sprocket.

ten speed 11-38 cassette would be great

This would do me nicely.

I'm not sure it would make all that much difference really. I reckon you'd need a 40 to make a difference.

It does? Well I'm running out of excuses not to upgrade

Yep! No deals - just the sum total of all the parts individually, Grip Shift is cheaper (and lighter) than trigger.

Im quite happy with my 3 x 9 setup thank you.
I really dont get all this extra dicking about to save the weight of a granny ring & big ring and effectively limiting your gear range.

I'm not sure it would make all that much difference really. I reckon you'd need a 40 to make a difference.

Be nice to have that option too 🙂 Though I'm not sure I'd want a much bigger jump between sprockets than I've got with 11-36.

While £60 for one sprocket seems expensive it is much cheaper than the alternatives for those with an existing 10 speed drivetrain. For those on 1x10 the rear mech capacity shouldn't be an issue plus you either gain some top end speed or an extra bail out gear.

bit put out by the jump from removing the 17T

I agree with this. However a 16T sprocket from Rose Bikes for about £3 should pretty much solve this I'd have thought (11-13-16-19-21-24-28-32-36-42).

The range with a 36T chain ring is the same as a 11-32T cassette and 28/40T double chainset minus the top gear (and with a 34T ring the same range as a 11-36T cassette and 28/40T double chainset minus the top 2 gears). Not bad going really.

Wanted to hate it and be skeptical... but pretty tempted now!

extra bail out gear.

For people who've used x11... how useable is that sprocket? 6 teeth seems a big jump which makes me think bail out gear rather than one you'd plan to use.

Edit... just wondering if I had that whether I'd actually fit a bigger chainring to take advantage of it? Probably not.

Double edit... though I guess it's still a few teeth less than knocking it down from middle to granny on an old triple.

mrblobby, I wonder the same thing too.

At the moment my thinking is a 32T chain ring and 11-42T gives an easy enough gear to get up the gloopiest, sludgiest Welsh mountain in winter then switching to a 36T chainring gives an easier granny gear than 32T & 11-36T but more top end speed for Summer. Still able to get up some steep extended climbs at the point of fatigue but a bit faster on the flatter drier trails too hopefully...

Would also like to know how 11 speed riders actually use the range.

To me it seem like I use the easiest gear on steep, long climb regardless how easy or hard the gear is, it still feels hard, and still always wish for another gear... all that changes is how fast you go 😆

While £60 for one sprocket seems expensive it is much cheaper than the alternatives for those with an existing 10 speed drivetrain. For those on 1x10 the rear mech capacity shouldn't be an issue plus you either gain some top end speed or an extra bail out gear.

The problem is, they wont come in at £60 - it will be more like £90-£100 by the time shipping and customs take hold (VAT and Import duty)

If a UK dealer gets hold of them they will be £100 too - everything is always the same in Dollars as it is Pounds 🙁

If we all shoot Works and e-mail maybe they will make one?

If we all shoot Works and e-mail maybe they will make one?

OneUp site suggests no import duty to the UK...

[url= http://www.oneupcomponents.com/pages/shipping ]http://www.oneupcomponents.com/pages/shipping[/url]

Maybe they pre-pay it???

OneUp site suggests no import duty to the UK...

So they now have control over UK Import and Customs then?

Wolf Tooth customers got stung, and I have been stung for several $30 items in the past - plus they charge you a handling fee of around £10.00 if they send via usps...

Cool, they've invented Megarange. Looks like a good idea to me tbh, sensible approach. SRAM want to keep the benefits to people buying expensive groupsets and Shimano don't want to support 1x10 since that amounts to admitting they've been owned by SRAM so we're probably not going to get a mainstream option, this looks like a good alternative to the General Lees etc.

Incidentally if anyone really wants a bailout gear for their 1x10, here's what to do. Get a thick/think chainring and a clutch, and go with no chain device. Now, fit a granny ring. It weighs nowt, and the only way to shift into it is to get off and move the chain by , so you'll not be tempted to use it all the time but it's there when your legs give out. Ta da!

(it has the extra advantage that it'll infuriate people on the internet)

looks like a nice but bodged solution. dont shimano do a super wide range cassette in their budget range? why not just make an XT version of that?

surely if you dont need the 17T cog, ie the gap between 14? & 21? is acceptable, then we can remove every other cassette ring all go back to 5 speed and all the bumpf we've been fed everytime shimano stick another cog on the cassette is all lies.

Get a thick/think chainring and a clutch, and go with no chain device. Now, fit a granny ring.

I like that idea - I'm happy with 1x10 and havent had a problem but can see the advantage on a longer / hillier run when the 34t is too much

Before everyone bombards Works, it appears they have something similar in the pipeline for the New Year all being well.

I've used one from [url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/41-Tooth-Cog-for-Mountain-Bike-Cassette-41t-Sprocket-/261323976497?pt=US_Cassettes_Freewheels_Cogs&hash=item3cd81f6f31 ]Ebay [/url]for about 9 months on a 29er, was about £35 imported, Didn't ride it as much as main bike, maybe 300/400miles. It worked well, the world didn't end, it didn't bend, jumps between sprockets were ok, it didn't wear much in that time and I ride in the Peak.

I liked having that extra bail out gear here in the Peak.

I've used one from Ebay for about 9 months on a 29er, Didn't ride it as much as main bike, maybe 300/400miles. It worked well, the world didn't end, it didn't bend, jumps between sprockets were ok, it didn't wear much in that time and I ride in the Peak.

Seen the e-bay ones - do they have anything to stop them eating the freehub body away?

Before everyone bombards Works, it appears they have something similar in the pipeline for the New Year all being well.

I got the same e-mail back from them...

I'm looking forward to seeing what Works comes up with. I've been happily running a 40t General Lee adapter for the past few months and I'd happily replace it with another if I had to. The other option I'm interested in is the Trickstuff 40t cassette [url= http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2014-Mountain-Bike-Components-at-Eurobike-2013,6299/TrickStuff-11-40-Tooth-10-Speed-Cassette,63197/bturman,109 ]HERE[/url] but I don't think it has been released yet.

Simonm- how heavy is that ebay sprocket? Seems like a big chunk of steel!

I agree with Northwind - the best strategy for 1x10 riders is a 22t granny gear. Yes you have to manually change the chain over but I suspect most riders will know which hills they'll need it for. Plus it's easy to remove without having to re-index.

99% of the time you're getting the silent, chain retaining benefits of narrow/wide plus clutch mech and the 1% is there with the 22t granny if you need it.

I do it for big days in the lakes.

Dan it was heavy, but just reduced the amount I lost with front mech etc.
It didnt eat away my free hub body and worse than normal shimano does on hope hubs.

Like that Northwind! Sounds like a no brainer for weekends in the big hills.

DanW - Member
Before everyone bombards Works, it appears they have something similar in the pipeline for the New Year all being well.

Sounds interesting, something similar to this but 40t and about £35-40 would be ideal 😀

Would/does the chain stay on a standard 22t granny ring with a clutch mech? Has anyone tried?

Sounds interesting, something similar to this but 40t and about £35-40 would be ideal

In the email Works suggested 40T and 42T around £45-55. Not bad if it comes off!

Would/does the chain stay on a standard 22t granny ring with a clutch mech? Has anyone tried?

If you are only grinding up a hill and then popping it back on the other ring at the top it should be fine.

Would be a good option for trails where you have long fire-road climbs...

Cheaper and simpler than that General lee job isn't it, still a little steep for what it is perhaps...

Whoever does something similar (in aluminium rather than Stainless) for around the ~£40 mark or roughly the equivalent price of a posh chainring (which is about as complex to make) will clean up IMO...

If it happens to be workscomponents then I can see them doing very nicely with a Thick/thin chainring & big sprocket "Bundle"...

So one solution to getting the right 1x10 set up is to actually ride 2x10 without a front mech.............

Or ride 1x 10.5/11, because you don't have enough gears......

Sounds like 2 x 10 is the answer.

Not in my opinion; 2 x 10 involves front mechs and shifters, plus means you can't run a narrow-wide front ring.

1x10 is fantastic but for the occasional 6hr, 40mile epic in the lakes a 22t may come in handy and it's easy to install/remove.

1x10 is fantastic but for the occasional 6hr, 40mile epic in the lakes a 22t may come in handy and it's easy to install/remove.

With vouchers and cashback you can get an X01 setup (minus the cranks) at crc for £450, that's with a hope freehub!

Incidentally if anyone really wants a bailout gear for their 1x10, here's what to do. Get a thick/think chainring and a clutch, and go with no chain device. Now, fit a granny ring. It weighs nowt, and the only way to shift into it is to get off and move the chain by , so you'll not be tempted to use it all the time but it's there when your legs give out. Ta da!
(it has the extra advantage that it'll infuriate people on the internet)

I realised I could do that the other day. Production Codeine bikes might be coming like that 🙂

When will we see the production codeine bikes Brant?

New trickstuff 11-40 cassettes being shipped in the next 2-3 weeks, to be followed by 11-38. Not cheap at £169.99...but still better than sram prices.

Liking Northwinds solution though.

groundskeeperwilly - Member
When will we see the production codeine bikes Brant?
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Codeine29 well into production. We are getting final production samples in a few weeks just to check everything is to tolerance.

I think end of January is feasible

1x10 is fantastic but for the occasional 6hr, 40mile epic in the lakes a 22t may come in handy and it's easy to install/remove.
agree

Ah, you mean 'mountain biking'

Codeine29 well into production. We are getting final production samples in a few weeks just to check everything is to tolerance.

I think end of January is feasible

Great-any teasers on price or potential build kits, weights etc?

So the ideal setup for 1x10 is to have two chainrings up front? 😆

(TBF to Northwind I've thought exactly that in the past. Would only really work with a narrow-wide ring and no device, of course. Never got around to trying it out though)

A straw poll - how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

what everyone really needs is a hammerschmidt 🙂

A straw poll - how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

Summer- More than fine, completely perfect

Winter- Mostly fine except when combining a day of having bad legs with particularly sticky mud clogging everything up and draggy mud tyres. Then grinding up a long, steep climb at 60rpm has me wishing for another gear or two!

Racing- Fine on the climbs but I was wishing for an extra harder gear or two to keep up with groups on longer, pedally descents (don't really ride anything like this at home so not set up for it)

Overall, adequate but I wouldn't turn down a bit more range. Can't face going back to the mess and faff of having a front mech again so XX1 is appealing but I don't have the pennies at the moment.

So the ideal setup for 1x10 is to have two chainrings up front?

(TBF to Northwind I've thought exactly that in the past. Would only really work with a narrow-wide ring and no device, of course. Never got around to trying it out though)

Great-any teasers on price or potential build kits, weights etc?

We worked out from £1499 with a Pike and x9 and a monarch to £2499 with x01, ccdb and reverb.

Frames from £799 with CCDB.

Frame weight is 7lb w/o shock. It's no lightweight but it's solid.

Proper fun trail bike.

A straw poll - how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

Certainly a big advantage of 650b over 29in is it makes the gears lower.

mashiehood - Member

A straw poll - how many people have tried a 32 front with an 11-36 and found it to be adequate. I have now ran it for 12 months and found it perfect

Not perfect- there's times on faster trails I could do with a higher gear (not because I spin out but because I might like to pedal slower). And certainly times it's been hard work on the climbs! But I do like it despite or maybe because of the drawbacks.

Wonder how well this works with a 10 speed rear mech? I thought the 11 speeds were significantly different in order to get out the way of, and shift up to, the massive sprocket

This is the reason I ditched my General Lee. Regular rear mechs (medium and long cage, it made no odds) just weren't capable of dealing with the big cogs effectively. No matter how much b-tension fiddling, it wouldn't shift smoothly on and off the adaptor from the regular cassette gears.

The reason for it is the position of the upper jockey wheel, it's too far back on a normal mech which won't allow the chain to pick up on the cassette cog early enough to give you a good shift. This is where the XX1 type rear mech has the advantage at the minute.

I've gone back to an 11-36 cassette with a 30t wolftooth ring any I can get up everything I could with my General Lee.

Robarnold – were you running the 40t or 42t version? I haven’t had any problems yet in 4 ½ months running a 40t General Lee and medium cage XT clutch mech. There's a little bit of overshifting required going up the Generals cogs, due to the lack of ramps I guess, but the mech lifts the chain into place easily enough, even on the biggest 40t cog. It drops down ok too. However, I think the 42t version might be a step too far for a standard mech as mine is already at its limit with the 40t.

1x10 - great idea!

Hang on I cant get up the hills.... Wait, how about bodging the cassette to include a dustbin lid sized sprocket!!

Hmm still not enough... I know, a big ring and a little ring with no front mech! Great idea...

...But if only I could switch rings while riding.... I know put the front mech back on and move it by hand??

...No that's no good maybe if i Attach a cable to the mech and pull on that when I want to switch?

...Well kind of works but its bloody hard work. This would be a lot easier if I attached the cable to some sort of lever arrangement.

Cor this is great! Im going on dragons Den!

Doh!!!!

The clear caveat to a 1x10 setup is having the legs to pedal it properly.

I understand the benefits, but if the gearing compromise is too much for your legs/lungs, it is a bit silly.

I've run it for 3 years now, 34T front, 11-36 out back, Lots of riding, and racing. Only time it was a real ballache was when I missed a lift back from Oz back up to Alpe D'Huez, so had to do a beast of a fire road climb, which hurt, a lot. Hardly a representation of a normal ride though (1000m continuous climbs!).

Looks like a better solution than the General Lee on my wife's bike though. If it shifts on/off the new big ring properly.

The clear caveat to a 1x10 setup is having the legs to pedal it properly.

and as you just described - the length and grade of the hills you [b]normally[/b] climb.

Most people can honk it for a few mins but not many for 20+

I am very happily running a 1x9 set-up with a 12-36 cassette. However, I have a shifter, front mech and granny ring in my parts box waiting to go back on for any really big trips.

🙂

Incidentally if anyone really wants a bailout gear for their 1x10, here's what to do. Get a thick/think chainring and a clutch, and go with no chain device. Now, fit a granny ring. It weighs nowt, and the only way to shift into it is to get off and move the chain by , so you'll not be tempted to use it all the time but it's there when your legs give out. Ta da!

I'm struggling with this, why would you not just fit a front mech? Shirely the only advantage of the thick/thin is that you don't need a guide but if you have a mech (oh and the minor weight loss, with no mech/shifter), you can use normal rings that are cheaper & do exactly the same job & won't fall off?

Mashiewood, after 10 months on a 32:11-36, when it wears out, I bailing got everything to replace it with a dual ring setup. Call me a whimp but my knee's hurt.

I'm struggling with this, why would you not just fit a front mech? Shirely the only advantage of the thick/thin is that you don't need a guide but if you have a mech (oh and the minor weight loss, with no mech/shifter), you can use normal rings that are cheaper & do exactly the same job & won't fall off?

Normal rings don't do exactly the same job! Singlespeed rings are better at keeping the chain on than shifting rings. Thick-thin rings are better still.

I like this idea - I run 34t 11-36 1x10 all the time, and have been on 1x10 or 1x9 for a few years now. I can't remember the last time I needed a lower gear but if I were going to Wales or Scotland or anywhere with really long climbs (and if it's a trip away I'm doing multiple consecutive days of riding) it would be nice to have some lower gears to save the legs. Adding a granny ring without shifter or mech would do that with minimal hassle. Recently my away trips having involved uplift so the legs have had an easier time! 😉

Maybe I'm not riding hard enough then, but I can't say my chain ever fell off with normal rings and a mech, as the mech kept it on 😉

z1ppy - Member
Maybe I'm not riding hard enough then, but I can't say my chain ever fell off with normal rings and a mech, as the mech kept it on

You obviously haven't fully bought into the [i]'Enduro Life'[/i] that requires you to shred everything down and dawdle back up (within an allotted time of course) on your single ringed uber-sled and day-glow baggies & special lid 😆

Depends where and how you ride surely. My long Chilterns training loop is 60m with 20% roads and the rest non tech tracks. Only 1100m climbing but it's either looong or steeep and occasionaly both. I'm quite fit and quite light and still need 24x36 up the steep bits and not far off on the long ones.

A mech clatters a bit on the downs and towards the end of a full on winter ride can be a bit sticky getting the big ring (yes I ride a triple) but it's still a great solution.

Steve_b77, Ahhh... hang on, let me prostrate myself before the altar that is STW's Enduro Gnarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Gods, for I am not worthy 😀

PS: I do have a special lid if that helps any.

z1ppy - Member
Steve_b77, Ahhh... hang on, let me prostrate myself before the altar that is STW's Enduro Gnarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Gods
PS: I do have a special lid if that helps any.

Woaaaah, you're half way there, woaaaah livin' the Enduro Life.
Take you're bike and remove half the gears
Woaaaah livin' the Enduro Life.

On a serious note, I agree with adsh up there, proper climbing on long days needs gears if you want to ride.

Last weekend in the Clwyds we got through 1500m in 44km and it was slippy, tough heath grass or mud for the majority of it. No chance with just one ring, so why compromise?

I'm not massively fast, but I'm alright

And we go in circles...

No chance with just one ring, so why compromise?

Because some folk may be able to manage? Why is it a compromise?