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[Closed] Mudguards = premature hub and drivetrain wear. Anyone ever heard that before?

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Someone who hires out, sells and services bikes suggested this to me recently. Can't see how it could though.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 8:57 pm
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Did you ask for their reasoning? Seems like a load of pish to me (I hire out and service hire bikes).


 
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I did, but have not yet received it.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 9:01 pm
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dont know about premature wear, but my bike runs mudguards, and the wheels/hubs/chain are always filthy.
the dirty water/filth off the road must get thrown up into the guards and run back over the bike rather than being thrown off.

mucky gritty water will wear stuff out quicker i reckon.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 9:01 pm
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mucky gritty water will wear stuff out quicker i reckon.

No doubt, but I would have thought the hubs/gears would get plenty of it on them anyway, being as they are closer to the mud/water than the mudguards?


 
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Full length guards limet wear on the front mech at least.....less jetting with shite all ride long ๐Ÿ™‚


 
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It does actually make sense... ๐Ÿ˜€


 
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Enlighten the hard of thinking dale, if you don't mind ๐Ÿ™‚


 
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Can't see how more water would ingress any parts? The chain, cassette and rear mech are not protected by the guards, can't see how they'd dump more water on those parts. And those parts are sort of prominent and 'in the weather'

On the contrary I'd have thought a long front would keep some water off the chainset and bottom bracket, or at least slow down the speed of the water hitting those areas.

Edit, mudguards also keep the brakes cleaner, and as said the front mech.


 
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Maybe if mudguards are fitted there's more likelihood that the bike will be ridden in shite conditions.


 
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@thegreatape

I think this CAD drawing clears things up...

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Instead of the water being sprayed all up your back and rectum, it sprays onto the mudguard, then drips down the sides onto the drivetrain etc.

That makes sense doesn't it? I'm not saying they're right, like.


 
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What Ton says, pretty much.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:08 pm
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dont say i told you so........but i told you so.... ๐Ÿ˜†

32 years of commuting told me so...... ๐Ÿ˜†


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:09 pm
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But if it all goes up my rectum instead, it'll fall back out of there, with who knows what corrosive ingredients dissolved therein?


 
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If you actually watch where water comes off a closely fitting mudguard you'd see that it's pretty much all at the rear due to tangential force and the forward movement of the bike.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:10 pm
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You did tell me so ton


 
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Updated it for 29er

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๐Ÿ˜€


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:14 pm
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[quote=daleftw ]Updated it for 29er

Can you do one for a fatbike please?


 
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I reckon it's likely to be a combination of this

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dont know about premature wear, but my bike runs mudguards, and the wheels/hubs/chain are always filthy.
the dirty water/filth off the road must get thrown up into the guards and run back over the bike rather than being thrown off.

and this

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Maybe if mudguards are fitted there's more likelihood that the bike will be ridden in shite conditions.

The latter is likely to be the bigger issue.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:15 pm
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I've thought this since fitting a rear Mudhugger on my MTB... Been through two sets of rear brake pads before I've even got through one on the front.

Still prefer it to being covered in crap though!


 
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Could it be that a bike with mudguards gets cleaned less often, because the paintwork and contact points don't get so dirty, whereas the drivetrain gets just as dirty as a bike without?


 
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Posted : 12/11/2014 10:21 pm
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That's obviously inaccurate as a fat tyre would float across that grass, not cut it up ๐Ÿ‘ฟ


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:22 pm
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3d innit.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:23 pm
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[quote=daleftw ]3d innit.
Hang on a minute......


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:25 pm
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...Nope.

Tried it with those two-tone glasses and now I just have a headache.


 
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Proper LOL! ๐Ÿ˜†


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 10:27 pm
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I don't think the presence or absence of guards makes much difference to drive/hub wear rates really.

OK mucky water may accrue on the inside of guards and drip back on to the wheels and drive but the majority will be promptly centrifuged off again, some will inevitably migrate into the drive parts and general road spray gets to everything eventually and causes wear, versus a pretty constant stream of mucky spray from an unguarded front wheel backwards, directly onto the BB and drive same spray from an unguarded rear wheel over the BB and front mech as well as all over the rider...

Ride in the wet and the parts will get wet, guards limit how wet and cold the rider gets, IMO that's their primary function if you don't want to maintain a bike through winter there's always the turbo trainer.


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 11:08 pm
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My bearings last forever, and I put that down to mudguards.

And not cleaning my bike very often...


 
Posted : 12/11/2014 11:18 pm
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I clean my bike after every ride. I'm a sad case, obviously, but I am a thorough sad case.


 
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