[Closed] Mountain Bikers don't buy Science In Sport Products - (True or False)?

I used to buy Rego all the time, until a mate in the army told me that chocolate milk shake was just as good.

Can't be bothered with energy drinks when lucozade sport seems to do the job just as well!

I buy the gels when they're on sale at tesco. And the powders are convenient if you're going away a trip, rather than carrying bottles and bottles of yazoo. I'm quite partial to the lime energy drink but I've been buying the lucozade body fuel stuff instead lately because it can be got so cheap.

False.

I use GO and the psp22 stuff.

Used to - but found it far too sugary. Much prefer Torq and Honey Stinger

Is that that shite you drink that makes you feel sick? Nah, I don't buy it.

SIS gives me upset tummy. Torq doesn't for some reason.

Buy that crap? Vimto in the camelback. Bacon butty before i set off

true. pub stops FTw!

I usually use Torq, but sometimes I have shared Mrs Militant's SIS drink.
Torq's a bit bland, SIS is a bit sickly. I like bland. I guess I could always mix a bit of squash in if I wanted to.

I also drank a fair bit of Emerge on Set2Rise. It's the same as Red Bull, except that it's 66p for a litre bottle, not £1.15 for a 250ml can. Now that stuff [i]is[/i] sickly, but it kept me awake overnight

False, I prefer it but will normally just buy what's on offer. As less mountain bikers race as a percentage less would have use for it. I couldn't drink it on every ride and I wouldn't need to so just save it for very long rides where fueling becomes more important and racing. Use it more consistently on my road bike as I find it easier to drink than eat when riding in a chaingang.

PSP22 works for me. Stops me bonking, and that can only be a good thing

Our display stand needs constant replenishing, so unless it's being nicked, mountain bikers are definitely buying the stuff.I'll use PSP on longer rides,and GO to prevent cramp if i've had a sweaty ride.

I've been trying to figure out what PSP2 has that Go doesn't

As far as I can tell they're both energy drinks but Go has electrolytes in it, why bother with PSP2 then?

I use, SIS, Torq and whoever makes mule bars, depends what mood I'm in at the time, and what flavours are in stock 😛

I use the gels & Rego, but stopped using PSP & electolite one(forget the name) as started doing really funny things to my insides when on long rides, Mayhem etc. stopped taking it & went back to just water to drink & problem solved-stomach back to normal in two laps

True I only use natural products. Bread, butter, dried, meat, cheese, fruits.

Apparently I should try to get some wine as well that is the only way I can become good at riding 😀

I stopped using psp as it was too sweet & gave me an upset tummy. I switched to torq & find it loads better.

Still use their SIS energy gels - the purple one is quite pleasant.

PSP22 and Go here on most rides. Can't say I've had any stomach problems either luckily.

I've been trying to figure out what PSP2 has that Go doesn't
As far as I can tell they're both energy drinks but Go has electrolytes in it, why bother with PSP2 then?

PSP22 has a lot more carbs per ml than GO, GO is designed as an electrolyte drink than you use alongside gels for extra carb intake. GO alone doesn't provide a lot of energy.

 

uplink - Member

I've been trying to figure out what PSP2 has that Go doesn't

As far as I can tell they're both energy drinks but Go has electrolytes in it, why bother with PSP2 then?

oddly, I came to the exact opposite conclusion, and only use PSP 🙂

I see blazingsaddles was a few seconds ahead of me there - shame your / is on the wrong end 🙂

I've never used any energy stuff for riding. Perhaps I should, maybe it explains why I'm so slow and run out of steam really easily!

I use them:

- PSP drink on long hard rides & races at night and when it's cold
- GO drink when it's sunny
- GO Gels and the odd bar added to the above depending on how hard I'm trying as there's a LOT of me to fuel
- REGO after a race or a massive ride as I cycle to work everyday and like frsh legs!

In fact I use SIS products almost exclusively and, on long rides >12hrs, where you're asking your stomach to process a lot of food without a break and it get's quite upset about it, I have really struggled with nausea in the past.

I've found the SIS range pretty effective, and I feel I've been riding stronger since switching to the SIS products (and thinking a bit about which to use and when)

That said however, away from the race track, you'll always find a pork pie and a malt loaf in my backpack 😉

I use Rego after mountain bike rides and GO on road rides.

SIS stuff is old technology. Torq are up with the more recent research. However, I've found that Maximuscle Cyclone protein bars give me a real kick - think it's the whack of creatine that does it.

Used PSP for years (orange flav); tried Torq powder about 2 months ago for a few weeks for it's 'natural' leanings, & while it's performance seems about the same, the taste (orange, again) was too bitter for my palate. Probably need to try some other flavours.

Now, mountain-berry Clif Shot-Blox, mmmMMMMmmmm!

I use maxim active hydration tablets in my water if i am going on a 4+ hour xc ride.Sometimes use maxim energy bars(they are lovely,taste like ordinary food).

Use to use SIS but they are just to sweet and made my stomach feel rough.

Used to use psp years ago but always found it too sickly, ithas aspartame, and hated having to chip the strange shellac off frames every ride.
Started using torq about 5 or 6 years ago and it's much, much better in terms of stomach comfort and being able to add your own flavour. The gels and bars even taste nice when riding which a big plus.

SIS can't be that bad, Contador just switched and surely, if any cyclist on the planet can, he must be someone who can choose exactly whatever he uses. Just because it's "old technology" doesn't make it worse, let alone ineffective. Wheels have been made round for quite a while now 😉

Protein bars as a recommendation for energy producrs? Really, Can you explain please flap_jack? Genuine question as I've not done too much research on the subject, but that's the first time I've heard that. Cheers.

To qualify the Contador comment, I can't believe that road and MTB require different energy products, as it's all just cadence and heart rate using very very similar muscles. It may just all be a marketing thing as Torq seem to target the mtb scene whereas maybe other brands go for the road/sportive market?

However, I've found that Maximuscle Cyclone protein bars give me a real kick - think it's the whack of creatine that does it.

You might want to read up on nutrition also creatine in a bar will do bugger all IMO, you have to load with creatine to benefit from it.

Tried it briefly, made me need to pee a lot.

Mostly use Torq drinks and gels, like cliff bars too. The Maxim drink seemsto work as well.
Not tried Accelerade yet but they are popping up at races now, might give it a try.

Having read the ingredients and having a fair amount of idea of the science I don't bother at all.

I can't remember exactly now but one of the drinks is just maltodextrin ( refined suger) and flavouring, one is maltodextrin and salts. Fruit juice and water mix with a pinch of salt is as good

As for the recovery drinks - based on very shaky science and again easily replicated with normal foodstuffs anyway.

So - If you want to buy expensive flavoured and salted sugar do so - however there really is no need at all apart from for convenience and I would much rather have natural foodstuffs.

I used to buy Rego all the time, until a mate in the army told me that chocolate milk shake was just as good.

Can't be bothered with energy drinks when lucozade sport seems to do the job just as well!

Thats two bad statement in one post, well done. Sorry just found it funny thats all.
1. Your buddy in the army is wrong, an off the shelf chocolate milk is not as good as an energy supplement becuase almost everything in it is slowly digested. What you want is fast digesting carbs, slats etc and protein if you can get it in there.
2. Lucozade sport is an energy supplemenmt and you buy it in tubs and mix it yourself. So you can be bothered with energy supplements. You can if you wish buy the pre-made stuff in bottle but thats just what it is pre-made for you. It is a powder.

However, I've found that Maximuscle Cyclone protein bars give me a real kick - think it's the whack of creatine that does it.

You might want to read up on nutrition also creatine in a bar will do bugger all IMO, you have to load with creatine to benefit from it.

Cyclone is an expensive and out of date product these days. Use something better for weightlifting. Howveer cyclone is an all in one supplement that conatins fast and slow absorbing carbs, amino acids and proteins.
To clarify creatine monohydrate does need stacking and will do nothing during a bike ride, taking it in general however will. If you take creatine as a dietary supplement and have stacked it then including it in your riding food as a way to take the 5grams you need a day will help. you could take it any time of the day though.
However creatine Ethyl ester does not need stacking and nor do some other forms of creatine. Creatine is strength and endurance supplement, only monohydrate has been proved to work by the way.

I carry water and food. If passing shops though, I'll often buy and down a chocolate milk shake or a sports drink.

The powdered stuff is overpriced. A weekend warrior using it is the mountain biking equivalent of putting a spoiler on a 1 litre Corsa. In theory it should help, but in reality you weren't good enough to start off with.

Having said that, I have used the stuff when racing, in the dim past.

need stacking

loading not stacking, stacking is quite different.

The powdered stuff is overpriced. A weekend warrior using it is the mountain biking equivalent of putting a spoiler on a 1 litre Corsa. In theory it should help, but in reality you weren't good enough to start off with.

Dirtynap, your first mistake was you have taken my post seriously and regarded it as response worthy. Your second mistake is that the last bit of your post is far too serious 😆

Been a good thread this, some very interesting feedback from you all - cheers.

PSP - Carbohydrate 99g/100g & Go - Carbohydrate 95g/100g

So why would you use both?

I use Torq stuff instead as its much less sugary.

Dirtynap - I would suggest it is you that needs to go away and have a read up on this stuff. Perhaps give yourself a shake to wake yourself up too.

SIS can't be that bad, Contador just switched and surely, if any cyclist on the planet can, he must be someone who can choose exactly whatever he uses

I won't name names but one SIS team rider a couple of years ago had another manufacturer's products in SIS containers...
Probably not that uncommon, no-one would ever know and drinks are very personal preference.

Also, has no-one mentioned the thing with SIS sponsering events and banning other manufacturers from taking part?

Obi_Twa - Member
PSP - Carbohydrate 99g/100g & Go - Carbohydrate 95g/100g

So why would you use both?

To ensure you got sufficient, but not excessive, quantities of electrolyte in your energy drink. PSP is without, GO is with electrolyte. Insufficient electrolyte on a hot day, or just on a long ride, where you've sweated a lot out and you'll suffer some or all of muscle cramps, stomach cramps and nausea, extremely unpleasant in my experience. Too much electrolyte is also unpleasant, hence the "plain" energy drink with just carbs.

TORQ also make their drinks with and without electrolyte (flavoured with and plain without), which is not realised by most users I've found!

Blazin-saddles - Member

PSP22 has a lot more carbs per ml than GO, GO is designed as an electrolyte drink than you use alongside gels for extra carb intake. GO alone doesn't provide a lot of energy.

Not so - see below
robdeanhove's explanation of why not just use one or the other is plausible for very long efforts,but I don't think my 5 or 6 hour rides fall into that category

[b][i]Nutritional information per 40g/500ml serving of SIS Go Electrolyte -

* Energy - 144kcal
* Protein - 0g
* Carbohydrate - 37g
* Fat - 0g
* Fibre - 0g
* Sodium - 0.23g

Nutritional information per 50g/500ml serving of PSP22 -

* Energy - 187kcal
* Protein - 0g
* Carbohydrate - 47g
* Fat - 0g
* Fibre - 0g
* Sodium - 0g[/i][/b]

1. Your buddy in the army is wrong, an off the shelf chocolate milk is not as good as an energy supplement becuase almost everything in it is slowly digested. What you want is fast digesting carbs, slats etc and protein if you can get it in there.
2. Lucozade sport is an energy supplemenmt and you buy it in tubs and mix it yourself. So you can be bothered with energy supplements. You can if you wish buy the pre-made stuff in bottle but thats just what it is pre-made for you. It is a powder.

1. Hmm... who to believe, highly trained army cross country skiing professional, or someone on the internet, hmm... Plus there's been a few magazine articles which have suggested exactly the same thing. Anyway, I'm not using it as an energy supplement, I'm using it as a basic recovery drink.

2. Sorry, I got my brand name wrong, I meant whichever lucozade product it is that is effectively flat salty orange juice. I would mix my own but its very easy to find this stuff (whatever its called) in the shops.

Would second the spoiler comment, I don't flatter myself by thinking I really need any of these drinks, but on long hot rides would rather not find out the hard way, hence the Lucozade

Dirtynap, your first mistake was you have taken my post seriously and regarded it as response worthy. Your second mistake is that the last bit of your post is far too serious

Touche waderider

Obi_Twa I never mentioned anything about the amount of carbs in any of the supplements, so why do I need to wake up.

You did however make a mess of reading 13thfloormonk's post.