[Closed] Met Parachute, honest opinion please

Cycnic al - I did not argue what you said, I am not arguing against a point I previously made, you miss the point and fail to understand again in your haste to attack me.

Your failure to understand of course means I must be wrong.
what a suprise. 😯

TandemJeremy - Member
The EPS absorbs the energy. It gets comnpressed between your head and what yo hit. Thats how helmets work. They don't need any rigidity.

TandemJeremy - Member
All I was doing was pointing out the limitation of a helmet like the met parachute. Teh casco viper is a similar function helmet abut the chinbar is eps hence it will have greater protection

You are saying that the Casco works because it has EPS in the chin-guard?

You've previously said EPS chin-guards don't work unless they are close to the face - the Casco one isn't.

Those 2 positions seem to contradict one another to me. If I have misunderstood you then feel free to express yourself clearly.

Mrs beanz and a friend both bought these before our trip to morzine
for a bit of a confidence boost , first day friend has a big otb and face plants , gets up take helmet off .. all good no face injuries . was very pleased she`d got the met on and not her normal helmet .

not good for , eating snacks , drinking from a bottle , spitting out dirt and trail dust .

dos`nt interfere with you breathing or grinning or enjoing the trails .

Don't feed the trolls

if you hung it upside down in a sunny spot i reckon you could grow strawberrys in it.

I got one as I fractured my cheek (well zygomatic arch) playing rugby and it gave me loads more confidence as my cheek to ages to heal. Fortunately I didn't test it. It has sat unused in the cupboard for a while now.

TandemJeremy - Member

Al - I suggest you go and read up on this. You clearly don't understand how a helmet works or have grasp of the physics involved [b]and you won't accept an explanation from me.[/b]

I will always remember the accident I had when BMX racing many many moons ago. It was on the final 4 whoops and I fell over the front and smashed my chin guard against one. If it wasnt for that chin guard, I would have been visiting A+E. That chin guard was on my YES helmet, that had no impact lining and was fastened to the helmet by metal poppers.
As said previously, I also own MX helmet and that has no protective lining on the chinguard. Deflecting the impact is the aim of this type of chinguard.

Sure... Let's do this the old navy way...

I thought that would involve bending over and droping your trousers. The first one whose eyes starting watering loses.

As for the helmet, regardless of the pros and cons of it's impact absorbingness.

You'd just like a tit in it 'cos they're hideous.

I've just had a look to see when the thread was started. Yesterday! I wasn't sure if it was the one started in 1997, 1998, twice in 1999, 2000, 2001, at least three possibilities in 2002, etc.... 🙄 Not that it's been done (to death) before or anything.

honest opinion of helmet
firstly it's far too ugly to even contemplate buying, secondly it does have a rather pointless weak chinguard (From the one's I've seen other people wearing it sticks out too far and doesn't actually protect their chins)

TJ - how many times have you actually crashed in a full face and the helmet's taken a hit? You seem to have read far too much on the theory but have **** all practical experience or common sense to bring to your arguement, if you had any experience of wearing/crashing in one you'd realise that during most types of (DH)mtb crashes the chin guard rarely needs to absorb an impact in the way you describe.

Al - how old are you? I thought you looked about 40, are you actually nearer 50 then?

don simon - Member
I've just had a look to see when the thread was started. Yesterday! I wasn't sure if it was the one started in 1997, 1998, twice in 1999, 2000, 2001, at least three possibilities in 2002, etc.... Not that it's been done (to death) before or anything.

Sorry did I wake you up? 🙄

Why arent there any 'american football' style chin protectors on bike helmets?

I'm sure TJ will talk about them not having bloody eps either, but they'll stop a f4t b4st4rd y4nk's fist from taking your face off.

... or ice hockey... or cricket?

OP - friend of mine swears by his, he lost his front teeth in an over the bars in a conventional lid and after healing up started wearing parachutes, he has gone down a few times and broken a chin guard but thinks the helmet has saved more pain and expense. Non-scientific but he seems happy and its a lot lighter/more comfortable than a full face. I'm considering getting one myself (or possibly a casco viper).

they look a bit daft.

the end.

GW - cheeky! I like it. I'm 42, ie a bit younger than you.

TJ I love how I won't accept the explanation you refuse to give me.

Is that the new TJ defense? Or is it "you've asked a question therefore you haven't a clue about this? Or are you developing a repertoire of defences to add to the chewbacca and others you currently use?

cynic al - I know from attempting to explain to you on this thread and on many others that it is a fruitless task.

I have given you an explanantion on this thread but you reject it completely without any reasoning or understanding.

You will NEVER accept any explanation I give, you will attempt to find fault in anything I say, its an utter waste of my time and effort discussing anything with you.

This is such a silly argument.

How can having solid plastic in front of your face not provide more protection than having nothing?

Simple test for TandemJermy: Press left side of face into belt sander for 3 seconds with no protection. Then press right side of face into belt sander wearing that helmet. Compare and contrast. Replace belt sander with sharp rocky manky ground at 20mph and repeat. Be sure to post a pic of the results for us!

Its not trying to be a full on full face or motorbike helmet, just provide some face protection for those crashes that cut your chin and knock yer teeth out. Bit pricey though!

TJ, you do realise that a chin guard transfers the shock into the main body of the helmet, therefore letting the EPS cushion the acceleration forces of the head getting planted? The chin guard itself rarely has any real padding as it isn't supposed to come into contact with the face. If it did have piles of EPS in it, to work properly it would need to always be sitting against the face - this may hinder eating/drinking/talking/breathing/etc.

Trust me on this as someone who can happily show off the marks received from a full-blown face plant into a Dunkeld rock garden. Or is that doesn't work, how about using a chin guard + visor of an MX helmet to knock myself out against a tree at Innerleithen (GW's to blame for that one - prk 😉 )

I didn't say it did not protect from scrapes and bruises - just that it will offer little protection from major frontal impacts

You should read what I actually say

Legend - thats not how they work. The EPS on the rest of the helmet will be unaffected if the chinbar is driven into your face. The EPS absorbs energy aby compressing - hitting the chin bar will not compress eps on the rest of the helmet

Cheezo - There is a huge magnitude of difference between being hit by a fist and hitting something solid with your face. American football style guards would be very minimal in their effectiveness as they would have the same flaws as the met parachute

TandemJeremy - Member
cynic al - I know from attempting to explain to you on this thread and on many others that it is a fruitless task.

I have given you an explanantion on this thread but you reject it completely without any reasoning or understanding.

You will NEVER accept any explanation I give, you will attempt to find fault in anything I say, its an utter waste of my time and effort discussing anything with you.

Where have you attempted to explain?

Loving the prejudgement. Plenty of times I've helped you, supported you or accepted your explanations - including re. the "TJ defence" very recently - forgotten that already?

I could say "TJ, you will NEVER stop being Walter Mitty" but I don't like saying "never".

Read the thread and read what I wrote

And stop witht eh personal insults - you don't like it so don't dish it

Read again TJ, the chin guard on a full facer shouldn't compress, it should tranfers the force of the head moving forward into the main body of the helmet..... where the EPS is. Chinbar (on the silly parachute thing) is solidly connected to the main helmet (in theory at least). The force travels along the bar, through the connection - you now have the full head being accelerated with the support of the main helmet. As long as the chin bar/guard stays intact the amount of EPS, or otherwise, isn't important as it never makes contact with the head/face in order to be compressed.

As GW asks, do you have any actual experience of wearing/crashing in full face helmets?? Sadly it's long for the bin, but the afforementioned Inners helmet was a prime example of chinguard intact but foam crushed beyond use - and that was a crash hard enough to see me slung into an ambulance on a spine board

Out of interest why was the switchblade which did have deformable foam get discontinued?

And would TJ think it would work because it has it? 😉

legend the helmet will rotate around your head until the chinbar hits your face given a seizable impact.

You head will be moving away from the rest of the helmet so it offersno support

Surely someone has hacked TJ's account and is deliberately trying to make him look stupid...?

epicsteve - I merely was trying to be helpful to the OP who was looking for information

All I said was

TandemJeremy - Member

The chinbar is not tested as a part of standards testing and contains no EPS so will do little to take the energy out of impacts.

And get the full on flaming for it.

People have very strange ideas about how helmets work which is why I put the link to a simple explanation of them

legend the helmet will rotate around your head until the chinbar hits your face given a seizable impact.

really?? reeeaaaallllyyy???? and this is your masses of experience of face planting in full facers that tells you this? Strange that in 10 years of face planting in everything from Giro Switchblades to Carbon THEs that's never happened once, not once. Weird huh?

Please flounce off again

TandemJeremy - Member
Read the thread and read what I wrote

And stop witht eh personal insults - you don't like it so don't dish it

well don't you start it then 🙄

Still non the wiser re. your so called "explanation", and I have re-read the thread. If it's important to you then it shouldn't be hard to at least point us in the right direction, if you could possibly lower yourself.

legend the helmet will rotate around your head until the chinbar hits your face given a seizable impact.

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Has Julie forgotten your meds?

Legend - yes really. The magnitude of the forces are that great. Try doing it by hand - pushing the chinbar into your face then consider how much greater the forces involved a an high speed accident are

Cynic al - what a surprise. More insults and of course you will not accept anything I say as predicted. 🙄

Thanks for the interesting comments on this thread and I'm so glad that everyone has a different POV, but protection is a personal thing and somethings work some don't so I'm going to try one on this week and see if it actually fits my bonce.

TJ, could you answer my question above please, would a chin guard with EPS work?

IYO obviously

TJ give me your explanation then? Of course I am going to take the piss with how you have spoken to me on this thread.

I'm not the only one to think WTF at the second quote.

Of course you can just refuse to provide any explanation then you can go on forever saying how I never listen to anything you say etc.

2 unfit - Yes - much better - its the EPS that actually is the bit that works - It absorbs some of the energy as it crushes and also makes the acceleration occur over both a longer time and distance. Have a look at my link on the other page for a simple explanation of how cycle helmets work

I give up. Apparently my face has hit the ground so many times without me realising that i now know why I'm so goddamm handsome!

Your point.

What in particular are you unable to understand al -

To the OP after reading this anyone that has a met and has used it (crashed ) has seemed more than pleased with it. I have one but have not tested it (thankfully). These people that have experience of this have much more relevance in this thread than the naysayers who have no proper experience of this.

You are saying a chin guard has a negative effect unless it has EPS, yes?

But you previously said Coulthard's helmet was effective and other full facers not, because it's chin-guard is close to the face, yes?

Those appear to contradict one another (as I've made clear already on this thread, and you've ignored, so don't patronise me, sonny).

Further, You'v also said that a helmet will spin round until the chin-guard hits your face. I just don't see how that can happen if it remains strapped to your head.

*waits*

I had one, crashed badly on rocks, still have face intact. Have no doubt at all would have been a serious level of damage to my face without it. Only replaced with proper full face as my riding got more and more gravity based.

LOL at TJ, he knows better than all this real world experience, what a tool.

You are saying a chin guard has a negative effect unless it has EPS, yes?

No - point out where I said that. Read what I said

But you previously said Coulthard's helmet was effective and other full facers not, because it's chin-guard is close to the face, yes?

No - again thats not what I said Coulthards helmet is an interesting design that attempts to answer some of the criticisms of conventional helmets

Those appear to contradict one another (as I've made clear already on this thread, and you've ignored, so don't patronise me, sonny).

Its your lack of understanding both of the basics of how helmets work and you lack of understanding of my point that leads you to be confused. How can I explain something I have not said?

Further, You'v also said that a helmet will spin round until the chin-guard hits your face. I just don't see how that can happen if it remains strapped to your head.

Try this with your XC helmet. put it on as normal. bend your neck forward and grab the back of the helmet and try to rotate it off forwards - see how far it moves

So yes - I was absolute;y correct eh first time - its an utter waste of my time to try to expalin anything to you

Read the link I gave you on how helmets work.

I understand that the EPS absorbs impact.
But say you wanted to punch a brick wall (example only), if you held a cheap simple square (EDIT, or preferably D shaped) of fairly flexible plastic in your fist an inch or two away from your knuckles so that it hit the wall before your knuckles, would that deflect more of the impact that say 3mm or so of EPS?