[Closed] Loose Dogs Neuadd Farm Nr Llanfrynach.

I remember getting chased by a very aggressive sheepdog in one of the lanes coming down from the gap heading towards Brecon,very glad he didn't catch me,looked hungry :-).no idea if it was the same farm,all I remember is the farm was on my left side heading towards Brecon.

It's happened to me for a while now. I've even had a word with the owners but they just don't seem to think it's a problem! The dog comes right up to me barking like mad, gets very close then goes all soft. They say he's just being friendly! Appears from nowhere even when the gate is shut too. I've found a quick skid stops it in it's tracks usually.

This is presuming it's the one on the right as you're riding away from the Gap descent. If you're on about the farm itself the dogs are usually in a trailer but are still noisy.

After the very steep road descent at the end of the Gap, across a bridge and up a short climb is a farm that straddles the road. Dogs are sometimes restrained but not always. They are not friendly and I have now been bitten 3 times. I'm really fed up with it and have reported the matter to Brecon Police. It's a public road.
I'll report back in due course; but frankly I'm not expecting a positive result.

Chased there many years ago, but not been up that way for a while. If you've been attacked on a public highway then the police have to take some action , even if it's a warning. Don't let them brush you off.

are you getting to the road by Tir Cue? I know most of the farmers in that area.

Not the BWay that goes down to Tir-ciw. The public road alternative.
Just had a call back from Brecon Police. They will visit and warn farmer as to legislation and responsibilities etc.
Think this is fair enough in the circumstances and impressed with the Police response to what is in reality a pretty minor incident.
Just spoiled a really good ride.

Yeah, those dogs aren't friendly but I usually find they're in the trailer parked to the right. Once had them bolt out of the shed to the left but I was too fast for them thankfully!

Powys police are good at taking things like this seriously, especially if you get a PC that knows about country ways (for want of a better expression!). Any animal that bites strangers warrants attention so hopefully the farmer will take note of the police visit.

Those dogs are a menace! So much so that one mate stopped doing the Gap with us just because of them. You can do a very short detour though and completely avoid that farm. Simply turn left just after the short steep climb after the stone bridge. Then take the next right after about half a mile. If you stay on that road it takes you straight into Llanfrynach or, the next right after about half a mile brings you to the junction after the dreaded farm.

Hope the police can sort something out with the farmer so this detour isn't necessary.

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Yes, I've had problems there too. We were riding in a group of 4 a few months ago. A pack of very aggressive dogs came out both sides and began to "shepherd" my 14yr old off to the side. Thankfully, he had the sense to keep going. If he'd stopped, I'm pretty sure they'd have gone for him despite my best attempts to shield him. We were lucky not to get bitten. At the time I/we were glad to get out of it unscathed but I regretted not contacting the police at the time. It's the only time I've felt seriously threatened by properly aggressive dogs that mean business. Dread to think what would happen if someone went through with a younger child and only a matter of time until someone gets a serious injury there. I'd avoid it if I could but don't know any other route after the long Gap descent (which I suspect is the owner's motive - no way are they unaware of what those dogs are like).

Actually, I'm talking about the farm that straddles the road just after the first bit of road after the grassy Gap descent. I don't think that the farm I'm talking about is as far as Llanfrynach. I think it's the first farm you come across on the road section.

The road down to Llanfaes is fine these days, the main tyre biter there lost out to something a year or two ago.
Don't know the farm on the Llanfrynach road.

Tinners thats the one. Just after the first small bridge.
As AndrewJ said it is easy to avoid by turning left just after the bridge and then left and left again.
Personally I will not be riding past this farm again - I'll be doing the detour!
For anyone else that has trouble it is easy to report using the D-P Police on-line incident system.
The PC who called me back was very helpful and I appreciate that.

If the dog has bitten you , it's a dog dangerously out of control, under the dangerous dogs act, and the police should be taking a statement from you and taking farmer to court.
A destruction order will be made on the dog.
That's if you wanted to take it that far

Easy girl the dog bit the heel of my shoe and pulled it off the spd. So no broken skin or bruising this time.
Apparently sheepdogs are trained to nip like this. Also I'm informed that a lot of farmers let their dogs run loose as a way of discouraging theft. Fair enough but not on a public road.
If I had been bitten you're right I would be going to court.

I know the farm and the farmer here very well. I am not sure what he is supposed to do given the location of his farm straddling the public highway as it does here, the dogs will be out and about more this time of the year. Farm thefts are also a big issue in this area.

Tie up his dogs so they cover his yards without being able to go onto the public highway and bite the public?

A destruction order will be made on the dog.

no it won't. It is not that black and white. The dogs are doing what they are supposed to - protect their owners property and livestock and they will also try to herd people like the child example above. There will be other measures put in place before a destruction order is made unless it really is a dangerous dog attacking people and other animals in a more serious manner. In this case from what has been written I don't think you can label them as truly dangerous dogs and if you do then you need to see a proper dangerous dog in action!

As a dog owner and small holder (sheep) who recently found an escaped Husky killing a pregnant ewe on a friends farm (we captured it) I have a limited amount of experience with it and also a slight insight into what happens when they attack humans and I despise out of control dogs and their irresponsible owners even more.

The problem solely lies with the farmer here. His land has a right way way through it and thus he has a responsibility to make sure his dogs do not do this to people. A lot of their display will be for show (our spaniel will go ape shit barking at trespassers but she will not bite) and a lot of people will be terrified of them and I can't say I blame them but a lot of the time the dog won't actually bite, which is understand is not that reassuring to people at the time.

These dogs are actually 'nipping' which is not acceptable. Nor is terrorising people up close.

By deviating your routes you are letting an irresponsible person get his/her way. A lot of people (maybe not in this case) don't like people coming down through their land/farm and as much as I can relate to this also it's tough as it is a right of way. Personally I would take measures to separate the track off from rest of the farm if possible so the dogs can protect the farm and dissuade people trespassing which can be a serious nuisance even if intentions are not to steal anything. Easier said than done in some cases though. Rights of way can be deviated with permission and they can also be closed for a period of high sensitivity with good reason - eg calving and lambing if they pass through a field where you need to keep the pregnant animals.

Anyone got a link to the location so I can take a look? Google earth image or something would be a start.

It is an unclassified road - not a bridleway etc so cannot be deviated or moved.

I know the farm and the farmer here very well. I am not sure what he is supposed to do given the location of his farm straddling the public highway as it does here, the dogs will be out and about more this time of the year. Farm thefts are also a big issue in this area.

Sounds like it's going to be hard to take the usual measures.

You don't want to muzzle them as then you can't hear them bark when someone is trying to steal stuff. Another problem is if you put up gates people leave them open.

Long leads are not ideal etc etc.

Resistance by the farmer to act also has to be taken into consideration as well as solving the physical aspect.

It is an unclassified road - not a bridleway etc so cannot be deviated or moved.

Starting to build up an image now. Got a link? Fencing is probably going to be disruptive to his day to day farming activities.

I would sooner not post a link myself. I act for this guy in a professional capacity (I'm his solicitor) but I will also be in touch with him in the morning re this alleged incident.

no problem. Was just googling for it and found a farm called this but could not see a through road on google earth.

Sounds like you might have some work to do soon 😕

This one Andy.

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lol at one of the culprits

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Cheers, I was looking in completely the wrong place thanks to google search.

Would be an okay layout if that wasnt a public road and those buildings are a bit close to the road. He's gonna have to do something a bi more reliable though, no doubt.

^ 😆 at the photo. Shame it wasn't chasing the street view car and trying to bite the tyres!

Nipper99 if you want to get in touch my email is on my profile. I'm quite happy to talk about it.
The incident took place on the public road and has been reported to the Police as such. Any dog owner has a responsibility to control their animals as you well know.
In this instance there were 2 dogs, a collie and a smaller black and brown dog. The collie went for my legs and heels, the other my front wheel.
The lane is narrow with high hedges and several sharp bends downhill of the farm itself making a speedy getaway difficult!
The farm straddles the road with dwelling on one side and open buildings on the other so not an option to fence in I would have thought.
Just to make sure there is no confusion with other Neuadd Farms in the area: Grid SO 042 248

😆 @ klunk's pic!!!

That's the trailer they're usually in whenever I pass by, they bark like mad and have it rocking!!

My missus has had her legs nipped by said dogs, I seem to remember it being one called 'Scott'.

Funny, as that's my name.

As above, nipping is totally unacceptable, imagine your shoe was on a child - the outcome could easily be more horrible. Not to mention how mentally scarring a dog attack can be on a child.

Apart from the possible attacks, allowing the dogs to run amock across the road is against the law. Leading to an accident then surely the farmer would be liable.