[Closed] Long travel hardtails- advice

one of these for daft long travel

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or one of these for 'smallish' long travel.

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I am of course biased 🙂

others

Cotic BFe
Genesis
Stiffee

the list is endless

I think t'Hora's already had an Alpine (for about 10 minutes !!)

I don't think the list is endless if you're looking for a 140mm plus HT with a 'springy' feel.

There are plenty that are currently quoted as being good for 130mm and I guess since all the trail forks have gone up to 140mm, next years will be 140mm compatible.

I'd love to be able to but a 140 or 150mm fork on something like a Cotic soul without it handling 'oddly'.

If I was in the market (which I'm not), and wasn't completely happy with my PA (which I am), and had some more money (which I don't), this would be top pf my shopping list:

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Wonder what Brant's new steel Pigleybop will be like - could tick your slack HA and long travel boxes?

I think t'Hora's already had an Alpine (for about 10 minutes !!)

Maybe I was hasty? Maybe I kept on thinking full sussers were the longride options?

How heavy is the alpine?
BFe is 5.5lb?
Transition is LUVLY but its over 6lb-going into full susser weight territory..

Just dont want a dull/lump of heavy metal between my legs- some sort of fancing butting, creative thinner tubes where possible and yet strong without being silly-ti money.

My Alpine comes in around 30lb

Just dont want a dull/lump of heavy metal between my legs- some sort of fancing butting, creative thinner tubes where possible and yet strong without being silly-ti money.

Chromag?

some sort of fancing butting, creative thinner tubes where possible and yet strong without being silly-ti money.

you're describing the blue pig there as far as I can see.

Not mine but there is (or was) a gorgeous Chromag Samurai in Ralphies in Taunton for a grand - looked unused to me and kitted out with Pikes, Hope Pro 3 AM, Sram X0 etc etc

Mine above is 30.8 lbs inc pedals

The frame is about the same a BFe 5.5lbs

and that transition looks the 'dogs gonads' and I don't know why, it just looks right

Hora, I thought you had a Ti 456 ?

😯 🙄

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It's the future...

Asked for the same advice a few weeks ago.
The Mmmbop is the one I'm keeping an eye on, any idea what the travel 'ideal' is for one?

any idea what the travel 'ideal' is for one?

140mm

Orange Crush should be on your shortlist too IMO.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=327444 Fack. too short on travel (possibly) but sweeeeeeeeet no?

There's a bit of a buzz about Chromag bikes, any idea what sort of price range they fit in to? I know they are supposed to be getting more available over here soon. I am guessing 'expensive' will sum it up.

Not sure I'd call in springy but it does ride nice. Triple butted somewhere or other in the frame.

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These are my preferences.

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daveh, what is it?

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One of these. They really are good. 😀

P7 was what came to my mind

sorry, but NONE of the above are LT hardtail.

now this..........

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I laughed. Out loud.

There's a banshee morphine on there with moto forks somewhere.

Bluepig? When your down there next could you look out for a lost violin?

I was climbing up this afternoon..looked left at a tree and noticed a sign 'lost, a Violin near Bluepig'. WTF?

daveh, what is it?

Hmmm yeah, the flash was strong with that one. Marin Rocky Ridge.

I think t'Hora's already had an Alpine (for about 10 minutes !!)

he must have got that 2nd hand as i think mike refused to sell him a frame

I thought he begged, grovelled and promised it was a 'keeper' then shortly after, there it was, gone 🙄

MrSmith:

he must have got that 2nd hand as i think mike refused to sell him a frame

*s****s*

I'll take that on the chin (not Mike Chin), my chin 😆 8)

I was all [i]'steel is real'.

And then I got my Whyte 19.

With Rev U-Turns its a, er, revelation... 😕

Handjob, might even let you have a go on it one day!

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Oh FFS I thought you'd owned all long travel hardtails 3 times over already.

PS wanna buy some Pikes to go with that?

No, Oh..

p7 on revs, sweet 😀

Sprog James, thinks his Summer Season is bees knees as an alrounder with alarming down hill ability

Seriously hora, haven't you owned an Alpine, a Chameleon, an Evil Sovereign and a Ti456 already?

You've gone through more long travel hardtails in the last coouple of years than many people have mountainbikes in a decade. Nowt wrong with that, but it [i]might[/i] suggest you're looking for something that they just don't know how to give you. 🙂

I rode my Chameleon yesterday. Ti456? It marked bloody easily- one off and it was covered in scratches and grazed down one side. I'm very hamfisted with frames hence I dont want to spend £900 again on one.

Evil and Alpine, yes maybe I didnt ride them more first.

Summer season? It err went back to its maker..

Although I don't have the cash at the moment, my next hardtail will be 853 from these guys.

http://www.curtisbikes.co.uk

having ridden a sovereign, alpine, chameleon & cotic I can honestly say I think they all ride better with a 100mm fork (and short stem).
if yer feet aren't so sore you have to pull over for a break you're not pushing a 100mm forked hardtail hard enough to actually warrant running a longer travel fork.

all IMO of course 😉

Hora when are you going to learn you can't buy ability/skills, you just have to actually ride more to get better.

Richc, I rode offroad yesterday afternoon in Calderdale and rode in this morning to work. 😕

My 'problem' isnt skills based its a mental fear problem that arises every so often.

GW- thats why I get sodding cramp around the front/underneath my feet then! I was wondering if my shoes were getting old.

My 'problem' isnt skills based its a mental fear problem

I'm on about pain from the pummelling your feet get from the terrain not cramp. 🙄

cramp is more likely down to you being too tense (scared) and de-hydration.

Inbetween soles of feet/balls of. down the middle.

richc- give it a rest mate.

what was up with the summer season?

15 days old, more than likely 😉

Broken sadly.

how'd it break?

if yer feet aren't so sore you have to pull over for a break you're not pushing a 100mm forked hardtail hard enough to actually warrant running a longer travel fork.

How does that work then? Do you steer with your feet?

yes, don't you?

GW earlier

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Good going to break a summer season. Mine's handling everything my 17st can throw at it.

yes, don't you?

Not usually, it makes it kind of hard to pedal.

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I think he broke it building it up devs, not riding it. Are you banned from buying on-one frames as well Hora? or is it just DialledBikes frames.

Mr Agreeable:

How does that work then? Do you steer with your feet?

Counter-steering innit!

Haven't seen a "what bike thread" from thora for a while.

For those of you that have forgotten I think you'll soon find that offering advice is entirely pointless. Everyone's advice will be irrelevant and largely ignored. A bunch of people will throw abuse at him because he's doing it all over again (and it's standard to abuse thora). He'll buy something, wax lyrical about it briefly, sell it and then buy something else.

I thought the Blur 4x or whatever was supposed to be the last-bike-bees-knees-never-swap purchase?

Thora's affliction is like some sort of weird MTB related Munchausen syndrome.

Is this a good time to exhume this? 😉

Submitted by hora horacek a Weekend Warrior from London, UK
Date Reviewed: November 20, 2003
Favorite Trail: Gnarly singletrack
[b]Duration Product Used: Less than 1 month [/b]
Price Paid: $600.00
Purchased At: Freeborn
Strengths: Light.
Gorgeous.
Strong.
No Flex.
Weaknesses: Only two colours.
Similar Products Used: Ellsworth Id, Yeti ASX, Rocky Mountain; RM9, Vertex, Instinct plus Giant DH etc etc
Bike Setup: Sherman Firefly, Chris King hubs and headset, Thomson Elite, Raceface etc etc
Bottom Line: I wanted something for trail, yes trail that would be very responsive and easy to bail out of (I have a habit of bailing out over the bars as the rear always tends to be too high). Im 6foot 2 and this fits the bill.

How the chuffin 'ell did Tony get the frame so light yet guarantee it to be soo strong?

First ride out I almost spanked one out over the top tube, such was the grin across my face. Remember the grin? Whens the last time a bike made you grin?

He'll buy something, wax lyrical about it briefly, sell it and then buy something else.

you missed the arse licking and chumminess with the designer/importer/fellow owners that goes with it.

are brodie bikes(chumba) still on your christmas card list hora?
do you return their emails?

How do you break a bike building it? If you know how to do that then your a genius.

November 20, 2003

I was back on the bike that quick?!!!!
I broke my arm clean/shoulder, rib and was kept in hospital on Sept 13th 2003.

Thora's affliction is like some sort of weird MTB related Munchausen syndrome.

Yeah- cos every single STW/CF member buys one frame, rides the said-only frame for a couple of years min yeah? High-horse?

How about you pack up mountain biking and take up a
new hobby that won't give you a 'mental fear' problem.

are brodie bikes(chumba) still on your christmas card list hora?
do you return their emails?

meaning once you have sold a bike the plaudits and comments stop. i wasn't suggesting you have a christmas card list of u.k bike importers (you should be on theirs though!) or that you email them constantly, i was just using that to help explain the tragi-comedy of your bike buying.

Yeah- cos every single STW/CF member buys one frame, rides the said-only frame for a couple of years min yeah? High-horse?

LOL, you bloody drama queen. CF was better whenever you started this nonsense. You could call a spade a spade, although the word wasn't actually "spade" 😉

As said earlier on, I'll take it on the chin. The good thing is, Im actually riding frequently now.

I like shiny things 8)

Oldie but goldie

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hora_(dance)&oldid=77127910 ]Hora on Wikipedia[/url]

Hora

Hora (Hoarcek) is an unpopular figure amongst internet users who frequent certain mountain bike websites. Hora has been known to have bowel control problems which have embarrassed him at least once in public. Hora has left a fellow rider with concussion in the woods with people who didn't know the best way home because he had something better to do. Hora will buy a bike, sell it claiming to have discovered something else that suits his style of riding, sell that, then buy back the original bike that he upgraded from for an inflated price. Hora is also a serial fake reviewer on sites such as www.mtbr.com, where he writes reviews for products he never owned, let alone used. Please note that this list is not exhaustive.

'Doing a Hora' means that you have just made a little mess in your underpants, or you will have bought a bike for cosmetic reasons or you labour under the belief that it will improve your riding ability. The expression is not to be confused with 'doing Hora' which is something entirely different.

every single STW/CF member buys one frame, rides the said-only frame for a couple of years min yeah?

Works for me. I suppose I could go around moaning about how my £500 boutique hardtail frame is holding me back as a rider, is harsh on my legs, etc, but that would just make me sound like a whiny little bitch.

Yeah- cos every single STW/CF member buys one frame, rides the said-only frame for a couple of years min yeah? High-horse?

currently 5 years is the longest i have owned a frame. admittedly i went through 2 shitty frames in 2 years (carrera and inbred) before i found what i liked and stopped blaming the equipment for my mediocre riding ability.

it's not that difficult to break the cycle of compulsive self appeasement followed by that empty guilt feeling. you just need to seek professional help

Rock Lobster 853? Or is that not 'long travel' enough?

Perhaps a shorter stem might help?

Like the wikipedia entry. You should be proud.

amongst internet users

that wiki link is excellent.

it would appear that hora's skills are not yet there and he buys bikes to compensate for this. sadly bikes are often not the key to being a better rider.

There is a line between the joshing that hora appears to need in recognition of his sterling efforts to be an infuriating internerd legend, and kicking the man when he's already unconscious and bleeding from the eyes. And that wikipedia entry is usually posted around the time it is crossed. 🙂

I'm not going to buy any more new frames I don't think. I'll just snap up discarded hora ones in future. 😉

Hmmmmm. As light as the Chameleon yet slack head angle and steel?

hora - why sell a frame cause it's getting scratched ?
they're mountain bikes............ 😯

BD, are you joing the ranks of the cyber-bullies with that last comment? 😉

I don't really care about Hora's attention-seeking behaviour. But I do feel sorry for the people who try and give him helpful advice. If you add up all the collective assistance and knowledge that people have tried to impart to him over the years, it's probably the equivalent of someone writing a dissertation, then dropping it into a public post box in an envelope addressed to Santa Claus.

cyber-bullies...kids/nerds who were bullied at school. 😆 🙄