Don’t you think it’s a bit odd to think “this advice good, this advice BS”?
I think it's a bit odd to be conflating official advice which has actually been issued by the authorities with a hypothetical ban on all cycling.
The UK authorities have not told people to stop cycling. You don't need to be a public health expert to understand why they haven't done that.
I was out this lunchtime. My social distancing was strictly enforced.
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From the Gruaniad
The cycling industry will join forces to call on government to exempt cycling from any ban, due to its strategic role in the nation’s resilience - not only as transport but a form of exercise, the Bicycle Association has said.
Italy and Spain banned leisure cycling in the last week. The industry wants the UK to avoid cycling bans, and it wants bike shops exempted from shop opening restrictions as it believes cycling has a strategic role to play in mitigating some of the impact on peoples’ lives of restrictions on transport and access to the outdoors.
This follows 30 prominent health and transport experts’ calls to protect cycling and walking plus keeping parks open, and warns of the risks of confining otherwise healthy people to their homes.
Getting outside for fresh air and green spaces could be crucial in maintaining physical and mental health in the population during these times, they say.
I self isolated on the trails with 3 mates today 🙂
Weird one that.....
Whilst I agree with them, I think it's just destined to make the general population loathe us even more.
Me me, us, us us, look we're special... The rules shouldn't apply to us... Cos were cyclists.
Lead balloon.
God how I loathe this piece of shite Google pixel phone.
Please don't buy one....
Me me, us, us us, look we’re special… The rules shouldn’t apply to us… Cos were cyclists.
Except that, for once, the word “cyclist” doesn’t appear at all in that text. It’s all about “cycling”. And, what’s more, it’s lumped in with walking: the whole point is that they’re resilient forms of transport (in terms of lack of dependency on fuel and infrastructure) and exercise which are broadly accessible to almost everyone.
If you’re scared of people citing the benefits of cycling because you identify as a cyclist then you’ll end up stuck in a vicious circle of logic.
Bez beat me to it - so much of this thread had been the result of people not reading something properly and thinking it through - see also the other virus threads! 😄
I went out for a solo ride at lunchtime, ironically my employer has 'banned' the work social clubs (running, cycling, gym etc) which seems pointless given that if one person int he office get's it we're basically going to be stuffed whether we go for a ride together in the lunch break or not.
There were a lot of people out walking the dogs! I usually only see one or two at most, but everyone shirking from home!
Weird one that…..
Whilst I agree with them, I think it’s just destined to make the general population loathe us even more.Me me, us, us us, look we’re special… The rules shouldn’t apply to us… Cos were cyclists.
Lead balloon.
I can see the front page of the Sun now "cyclists demand special treatment", actually........no I can't see that at all.
Only on stw could people be debating advice that hasn't actually been given.
Surrey Hills today
There's been no statement banning cycling in UK. I can't find the link at the moment but there had been comments from MPs I think, or at least some GPs, advising cycling being good form of solo exercise.
The risk and pressure on NHS does apply however, but then the risks from driving are far greater and that hasn't been banned. Only non-essential foreign travel currently advised against.
The pressure isn't there yet though. There were 30 confirmed cases in Surrey as of yesterday. Not all of those will have required hospital treatment and many of those are old cases. Might only be a few in ICU if any currently in hospitals near me.
However it can all go through the roof in the next few days/weeks/months. At that point I expect cycling will be banned. I really hope not as it's a lifeline for me for mental health amongst other reasons.
Anyway, social gatherings advised against but again, not banned. That's been enough for events to cancel which maybe is fair enough, and a lot of informal group rides binned too, which I'm not so sure about.
Got no problem with going out with a few friends and just keeping distance. Still, I'm happy with solo rides. Just more of a problem for night rides.
If WHO give cycling a green light as above, then fine by me. Just knock the gnar on the head.
James Wilson MTB training guy has put up 3 indoor workouts on his site
https://www.bikejames.com/strength/3-free-workouts-to-help-you-stay-strong-for-the-trail-life/
Got no problem with going out with a few friends and just keeping distance.
The government advice to reduce transmission of the virus being “ Avoid gatherings with friends...”
but then the risks from driving are far greater and that hasn’t been banned
Are they?
The average person (not adult, person) in the UK makes 2 "car" journeys a day that's a lot of driving for not a lot of accidents.
If, and it’s a big if, the powers that be say we shouldn’t be doing it, it’s unlikely to be because of an underlying anti cycling agenda. It’ll be because some people who understand this whole thing much much better than you or I, think it should have a positive impact.
Don’t you think it’s a bit odd to think “this advice good, this advice BS”?
(strikes me as a lot like thinking speed limits/mobile phone use behind the wheel and various other STW favourites don’t apply to “you” because you’ve never crashed your car)
*FWIW I think it’s all the wrong call, but sometimes you have to shut up, sit down and do as your told so I will.
Remember that foot and mouth thing a while back?
Some utterly, utterly bulllshit 'advice' from the powers that be back then.
I for one did not sit down, shut up and do as I was told then, as it was total nonsense (in my particular situation.)
The stuff we are hearing about from Spain in recent days falls into the same category.
The government advice to reduce transmission of the virus being “ Avoid gatherings with friends…”
I denounce them as friends then 😄 . Just some people who happen to be about while I'm riding, and not a gathering (it's not Highlander).
Meanwhile - https://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/imba-statement-on-mountain-biking-and-covid-19
Yes we’ll all be laughing our cocks off as our parents die because people decided social isolation doesn’t apply to them 🙂
Remember that foot and mouth thing a while back?
Some utterly, utterly bulllshit ‘advice’ from the powers that be back then.
I for one did not sit down, shut up and do as I was told then, as it was total nonsense (in my particular situation.)The stuff we are hearing about from Spain in recent days falls into the same category.
I was living on a farm during both recent outbreaks, so you should probably qualify that statement with what you think was wrong otherwise Im thinking you might juat be an idiot.......
Are they?
The average person (not adult, person) in the UK makes 2 “car” journeys a day that’s a lot of driving for not a lot of accidents.
Lifetime odds of dying in a car accident are about 1/100.
Covid-19 seems to be <1% if you catch it (assuming that once you've survived it youre immune).
So by that measure you're still more likely to die in a car, just that your lifetime odds are potentially compressed into the next few months.
I have just spent the evening bimbling with a couple of mates on an easy going SS ride. Non technical trails. I wore knee and eye protection, and consciously throttled back on sections of well known trail that might have been a bit bumpy. We then met up with a mate at the pub (we sat outside, approx 2m apart from each other) who we've not seem since he had a big off at BPW 5 weeks ago and will not be riding until June. We talked almost exclusively of Covid-19. And put future bike-packing plans, and regular rides, on hold. But also talked about "what if' a cycling ban comes into effect. It all felt very odd. Suspect there will be the occasional ninja solo raid by each of us, but all very sobering.
@thisisnotaspoon some quick googling suggests 1/103 in the US which is where I imagine you got your figure.
Fact check for the UK: 1 in 240.
http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/trasnsportpop.html
I was living on a farm during both recent outbreaks, so you should probably qualify that statement with what you think was wrong otherwise Im thinking you might juat be an idiot…….
The dairy farm I was living next door to would let the slurry poo of a huge herd run freely down the road as they crossed it every day. This was then spread around on tyres, feet and washed into the river.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the house, the woods, river paths, footy fields were all in lockdown.
There's many other similar stories, as you well know if you were anything to do with farming.
So yeah, bullshit rules* made up to be seen to be doing something.
*See also, closing off the Cuillins to protect the herds which roam the craggy hillsides.
but then the risks from driving are far greater and that hasn’t been banned
The government has said there should be no none essential travel. So yes it has been banned. Driving somewhere to ride your bike is not essential
but riding your bike is fine according tho the guidance we have.
but riding your bike is fine according tho the guidance we have.
I suppose that depends if its just for lycra clad loonies to exercise or a perfectly normal everyday method of transport... (Insert comedy shrug face)
both!
Then how would we know? I guess if it's on strava then it's OK because clearly it's got no real purpose?
one useful side effect of CV.... 🙂
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The government has said there should be no none essential travel. So yes it has been banned. Driving somewhere to ride your bike is not essential
The government has advised against none essential foreign travel, and non-essential use of public transport. They have advised varying travel times avoiding rush hour.
The headlines are misleading in this and have only picked up on the non-essential travel but reading the article details and the official published government guidance, it all relates to worldwide travel, flights etc, and the same when listening to the full statements from Dominic Raab etc (and not just the soundbites from Johnson).
Also, very little has actually been banned. We just have advice. Whether that's the right approach or it should be stricter and enforced like Spain, Italy etc, is another matter. Going by the figures infected regionally I don't think we're at that stage yet.
Travel to a destination to get some exercise is essential as far as I'm concerned and we are advised to get exercise so long as we maintain social distancing.
Then how would we know? I guess if it’s on strava then it’s OK because clearly it’s got no real purpose?
Does it matter seeing as neither is banned?
Actually, only riding* to work is discouraged, so better don some lycra so no one thinks you're commuting.
*going to work at all, not the riding bit
There’s many other similar stories, as you well know if you were anything to do with farming.
So yeah, bullshit rules* made up to be seen to be doing something.
Thanks for clarifying, I've formed my opinion...........
I for one did not sit down, shut up and do as I was told then, as it was total nonsense
If there's one thing you can't do in a crisis like this it's make up your own rules to suit yourself.
thisisnotaspoon
The average person (not adult, person) in the UK makes 2 “car” journeys a day that’s a lot of driving for not a lot of accidents.
Lifetime odds of dying in a car accident are about 1/100.
Covid-19 seems to be <1% if you catch it (assuming that once you’ve survived it youre immune).
So by that measure you’re still more likely to die in a car, just that your lifetime odds are potentially compressed into the next few months.
4-8% in Italy, where the outbreak got totally out of hand. Where they weren't even treating the heart attacks in over 65 victims because they didn't have capacity in the hospitals.
That's the situation that all these measures are trying to avoid. But lots of folks know better, as ever.
Edit - sorry TINAS, I was disagreeing with your statistic, didn't intend the latter part as directed at you, which is how it reads
Went out this morning for a 2 hour bimble, worried in case I was arrested but needn't have worried, there were scores of walkers out. I think I was the only person I saw out on their own.
On the way home I pedalled through my local suburb which looked like a normal lunchtime.
I really don't think the general public are taking this seriously enough.
I guess if you agree that if you fall and break something, a collar bone say, then you accept you are going to have to walk home and live with it as you will not be welcome at A&E.
Could be a good time to ride those trails that are normally too busy to enjoy then.
They really aren't. Was out for a quick hill reps session yesterday in the local woods and over on the footpath I could see a constant stream of dog walkers all huddling together, shaking hands, hugging and just carrying on as normal. On my side (paths are separated by a road) I only met one other cyclist and a horse rider, we all kept our distance and kept chat to the basics. Riding back out of the woods and all the dog walkers were huddled outside the local pub, again touching each other and in close proximity. Earlier I had to ask a few people to keep their distance when in the supermarket, one was behind me in the queue and was determined to stand 6 inches behind me while I gave the person in front the length of the conveyor belt. A member of the store staff intervened and got them to move away from me, cue loads of hysterics about their human rights etc and that it's all a fuss over nothing. He looked old and in poor health so Darwin should take effect there not that I wish him to die but if they won't help themselves...
I'd echo the above. I'm a postie, now working my days off and extra hours to cover for colleagues off sick/swinging the lead (depending on your level of cynicism). I had one old dear pursue me down her path today like a ****ing vampire, forcing me to walk backwards until eventually I held up my hand and said "Please, madam, keep your distance...!"
Could be a good time to ride those trails that are normally too busy to enjoy then
I have never seen it so busy out and about in the world (it's a good thing to some extent) admitedly I'm not normally on the road mid week so it could always be like this on a Thursday in March but every b road layby or woodland car park I've passed is like your local honeypot location on a scorching bank holiday.
All the pubs and café etc I'd expect to be bursting at the seams based on the number of folk around looked deathly though.
It's like they've turned off the TV broadcast or something.
FWIW I've cancelled a day trip to the Peak from Hull. Travelling plus the risk of rocky riding doesn't sit right with me at the moment.
That said if things remain as they are I'll be out on my road bike over the weekend, and might venture onto some of the gentle singletrack nearby.
The common sense approach for me, riding around the woods/paths etc but missing out the single track rad stuff.
Loads of people out walking/running/riding, it's more like a holiday vibe than a serious health crisis.
Just back from a wee spin out on the road bikes with three friends. Roads were quiet and there were a few other cyclists, walkers etc around. Just another normal day around here.
The common sense approach for me, riding around the woods/paths etc but missing out the single track rad stuff.
Just like any other ride when you are out yourself, ride within your limits and don't take silly risks
Anyone else notice that all the uplift centres have been closing operations apart from BPW? Surely the biggest centre with a long drive to the top in sweaty minibuses has got to be a big transmission risk? I'm avoiding any DH-style riding right now anyway so won't be going but surely they should be thinking of the safety of their staff and customers?!?
If we're not careful Covid19 could kill off a lot of outdoor pursuits where contact is unavoidable. Dogging for one.
