Children under the age of five and people over 65 (particularly those over 75) are most likely to have an accident at home
The people who spend by far the most time in the home are the most likely to have an accident in the home? Well bugger me with a fish fork.
Well bugger me with a fish fork.
I can't find that in the RoSPA lists - how common is it?
I’m surprised I haven’t had anything from Dyfi Events about the Dyfi Enduro.
Same here. Keep looking on their website for any update. Bloody hope it doesn't get cancelled.
Boltby Bash, hasn't been cancelled yet! I expect all large gathering are waiting on government instructions before cancelling anything for insurance reasons.
The people who spend by far the most time in the home are the most likely to have an accident in the home? Well bugger me with a fish fork.
Are you implying that's the only reason?
Craig5: big debate on this atm
The Association of British Insurers said standard policies did not include forced closure by the authorities.
So, for most businesses, they would not have been entitled to compensation, even if the government had ordered them to close.
Well thack me over my helmet clad head.
This morning I went out for an mtb ride. On my own, fully armoured up.
Before the ride I was feeling completely anxious (no work, worries about elderly relatives etc). After I felt rejuvenated and happier.
The ride was mostly canal, a flat bridleway, an easy descent, 3 stops for talking to people I knew (all were standing at least 2 metres away). Then a climb homeward.
The fresh air, a bit of warmth, deserted trails, only 2 vehicles on a road stretch and just chatting to others enjoying the outdoors was worth it.
I'll carry on riding until it's banned.
The Spanish approach seems overkill to me. Staying fit, healthy, sane and reducing stress seems all the more important at the moment. Obviously this isn't going to be the summer to learn to jump but ride sensibly and it's got to be a positive. If I"m working from home I'm going to be doing my 'fake commute' most days.
If we are really worried about load on the health service we would be lowering all speed limits and increasing penalties for breaking them.
Anyway -
I am a teacher and at the moment I am in a relatively small building with 1200 snotty kids. But when I get home I have to stay in and not have a gentle ride in the woods? This doesn't make much sense to me. I have to drive home on a motorway which is still busy so I could easily have an accident. It's still pretty much business as usual here we P.E. lessons and team sports going on. I have had 4 classes today with upto 35 students in each class and lunch in a communal diner. What is really more risky?
Are you implying that’s the only reason?
Of course not; it’s just that these sorts of factoid-fests are nearly always a matter of “make whatever statements we can from the numbers we’ve got” more than they are a useful and diligent analysis.
I am a teacher and at the moment I am in a relatively small building with 1200 snotty kids. But when I get home I have to stay in and not have a gentle ride in the woods? This doesn't make much sense to me. I have to drive home on a motorway which is still busy so I could easily have an accident. It's still pretty much business as usual here we P.E. lessons and team sports going on. I have had 4 classes today with upto 35 students in each class and lunch in a communal diner. Which of these activities in my life is really the most risky?
Decided to have one ‘last ride’ with biking buddy last night, really just to catch up in an unconfined space. Tried to access an old track that I know, just to get away from town. Noticed someone has erected a big metal fence adjoining to the access so it was a squeeze to ride through.
Went through but slowly stopped dead in my tracks with a searing pain in left arm. Massive carriage-bolt caught me by the arm, removing the skin in a perfect shape of the thread diameter. Bah. Anything can be dangerous, even pootling.
Back to the ride. Decided of course against stopping by a pub for customary pint on the way home. Instead grabbed 2 x bottle of beers, climbed back up to Town then occupied a big old bus shelter on the Hills. Sat looking down at the twinkly lights below, sipping our last beer and ride together for who knows how long. We said cheers and remembered better times. Gave a toast to memory of a homeless man named Remigiusz, who died in this spot not long back. Then farewells and took off to our respective homes
Be careful and try keep out of ER, wherever you are. I doused and dressed the wound myself. Not neat but hopefully will do the trick. It’s made me more mindful, I hope. Turbotrainer time.
Bez
The people who spend by far the most time in the home are the most likely to have an accident in the home? Well bugger me with a fish fork.
By the same token, the people who spend by far the most time outside are the most likely to have an accident outside.... I don't have a fish fork.
Ooops, too many arms. Soz
If we do enter lock down, and we are asked not to cycle...for the greater perceived good
In what way, specifically, do you think that stopping individual people from cycling would help to mitigate the current crisis?
In what way, specifically, do you think that stopping individual people from cycling would help to mitigate the current crisis?
The same way preventing an individual person getting ill with corona and ending up in ICU is mitigating the current crisis I guess.
1 person is easy. You won't be the only person.
I’m surprised I haven’t had anything from Dyfi Events about the Dyfi Enduro.
Same here. Keep looking on their website for any update. Bloody hope it doesn’t get cancelled.
I'd be surprised if it didn't get cancelled. The Mach Comedy Festival has just been cancelled
In what way, specifically, do you think that stopping individual people from cycling would help to mitigate the current crisis?
Because it won't just be one person, and you allow one person to ride on the public road out to a trail, what's to stop him or her meeting up with their mates once they're out of sight? Goodbye social distancing. And if you allow riding with (pinky promise!) no social contact, why not running? Or hiking? Or perhaps a late-night stroll round the block?
Stuck here at home in Spain I can't help but feel this thread is really bringing out the selfish and pathetic - "my mental health will suffer!" "I'll go stir crazy". It's a fortnight, FFS, not a life sentence in Wormwood Scrubs.
Because it won’t just be one person, and you allow one person to ride on the public road out to a trail, what’s to stop him or her meeting up with their mates once they’re out of sight? Goodbye social distancing. And if you allow riding with (pinky promise!) no social contact, why not running? Or hiking? Or perhaps a late-night stroll round the block?
There's a world of difference between a couple of MTBers cycling in the woods, or some trail runners, or hikers, compared to a pub full off footy fans.
Social isolation shouldn't mean not being allowed out if the house at all. Just keeping a distance, and that's totally possible on a bike, or walk, or run.
It’s a fortnight, FFS,
I have a feeling that's a somewhat optimistic outlook.
Just got back from a ride and there's plenty of 70+ year olds out walking their dogs.
I have a feeling that’s a somewhat optimistic outlook.
I think he's referring to the period of self-isolation should your or one of your family display any of the signs. The epidemic is likely to last much, much longer.
The same way preventing an individual person getting ill with corona and ending up in ICU is mitigating the current crisis I guess.
The added risk of people continuing to do sensible, socially distanced exercise will be very small, balanced against the negative consequences of trying to lock people in their houses for months. As I said before, the NHS was seriously stretched pre virus. Anyone who really believes cycling is that risky should already be avoiding it.
Because it won’t just be one person, and you allow one person to ride on the public road out to a trail, what’s to stop him or her meeting up with their mates once they’re out of sight? Goodbye social distancing. And if you allow riding with (pinky promise!) no social contact, why not running? Or hiking? Or perhaps a late-night stroll round the block?
The simple answer is that you sanction anyone who is caught breaking the rules. I don't see any problem with solo running or a late night stroll round the block. What do you think is going to happen?
It feels like some people are inventing a problem that doesn't really exist here. I can't see why people shouldn't continue to exercise while observing social distancing. If you are really committed to doing this properly for the long term, you need a sensible, sustainable approach. Preventing safe, responsible recreational exercise won't help.
I see no rationality in those saying folk shouldn't even go on solo bike rides.
Seems similar to bogroll hoarding or getting the sanitizer out every 5m, when hand washing is proven to be better.
Have a word/get a grip/insert other 3 word trope here.
It's interesting stuff. Do you tank your economy and precipitate a global depression to try and protect a small percentage of people (the elderly, and the chronically ill, many of the latter as a result of poor lifestyle choices) who will probably die soon anyway? That's putting it bluntly, but, hey. Or do you isolate the vulnerable while you allow the majority to go about life as (relatively) normal, catching the virus, suffering a mild illness, building herd immunity, maintaining an economy that can support the health services? Tough decision, glad I don't have to make it.
But as a fit person in my early 50s, you'll have to pry my cold, dead hands off the bars of my bike to stop me going for a solo ride in the countryside. I'm not stopping that to add a few years of life to some obese ****ed up smoker, sorry.
Talked to my 78 year old London-based dad yesterday. He's pretty philosophical about it - he's had a good run, if he gets it, hey.
Could someone explain why getting fresh air and sunlight is worse for us than sitting inside out of the sunlight and recirculating the enclosed air through our lungs.
Could someone explain why getting fresh air and sunlight is worse for us than sitting inside out of the sunlight and recirculating the enclosed air through our lungs.
Er, cos you're not spreading the disease to another 3-4 people and contributing to the burden on an over-stretched health service?
The problem with all the "I'm a responsible person, I'll keep my distance" people out there is that lots of people aren't, and giving them a loophole is blowing a huge hole in the chances of social distancing playing its part.
So perhaps it's a moment to hold back on the individualism and remember you're also part of society? That it's not just obese smokers, there are chemo patients and diabetics and a whole host of other people who don't particularly deserve to die?
there are chemo patients and diabetics and a whole host of other people who don’t particularly deserve to die?
Yep, who need to be isolated, and provided for, and supported by a functioning economy.
So perhaps it’s a moment to hold back on the individualism and remember you’re also part of society
So much this - I'll ride till I'm told not to, for the greater good.
There is only one commandment that matters - Don't be a Dick
...spreading the disease to another 3-4 people and contributing to the burden on an over-stretched health service?
How are you going to do that via solo exercise?
...giving them a loophole...
What's the loophole, exactly?
So perhaps it’s a moment to hold back on the individualism and remember you’re also part of society?
There's no individualism in this. Everyone should be doing a bit of safe, socially distanced exercise if their circumstances allow it, because it will benefit society as a whole by helping people put up with a long period of enforced isolation.
I'm not hearing any experts or authorities suggesting the UK population shouldn't be going outside for a bit of responsible excercise. It just seems to be people on a cycling forum...
I’m not hearing any experts or authorities suggesting the UK population shouldn’t be going outside for a bit of responsible excercise. It just seems to be people on a cycling forum…
No, you aren't hearing that. None of us are saying that.
The original question, and the point we keep trying to make, is that IF the experts impose a lockdown like in Spain and ban recreational cycling, do we obey it?
How are you going to do that via solo exercise?
You can guarantee who'll you'll meet if you stay indoors, how are you going to guarantee that you won't bump into someone else while out?
Yep, who need to be isolated, and provided for, and supported by a functioning economy.
Bit of a strawman - even here in Spain people are still allowed to go to work, if WFH isn't an option. But we're not talking about that, we're talking about heading out on your own for a bit of recreational cycling. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to get out for a run and a bit more fresh air, but I'm going to trust the experts working with the government, and if they think recreational sports heighten the risk and increase the burden on the health service I'll take their word for it, much as I'd like to go for a quick spin.
As to whether you'll obey it in the UK or not - who knows. Perhaps the experts Boris et al consult will say it's not necessary, and perhaps they'll be right. I can see people arguing over this for a very long time to come!
Went for a ride after work, while I still can. Left a comfort margin, small drop into a bowl I must have done a hundred times I gave a miss. Just didn't feel right, I had a helicopter, doctor, 3 paramedics and a couple of others out there scraping me up a couple of years back after a jump went wrong.
I'm not sure stopping people getting a bit of outside exercise is a good thing overall but if the Government bring it in I'll obey it, and I hate this Government.
Just looked on BPW website, they are still open, bit of spiel about how it's important to have good times with mates in the middle of all the bad news. Minibus loads of riders breathing all over each other and strain on the NHS from the continual crashes seems pretty irresponsible IMO
how are you going to guarantee that you won’t bump into someone else while out?
So you're not contacting anyone at all?
(You can just stay a good distance apart, that's what people are doing)
This pandemic has really given STW members a chance to be self-righteous in a whole new way.
You could quite easily apply the logic on this thread to everyday life outside of the current situation, and never do anything vaguely dangerous, like riding a bike, or driving a car, because it might burden the NHS.
I really wish people would STFU. If you want to be sanctimonious and judgemental about what other people do, perhaps you should join one of the more puritanical religious groups.
That is all,
JP
So you’re not contacting anyone at all?
(You can just stay a good distance apart, that’s what people are doing)
I'm in Spain, that's not what we're doing. Ask me again in 15 days time and who knows, but for the moment I'm following orders and staying inside.
I really wish people would STFU. If you want to be sanctimonious and judgemental about what other people do, perhaps you should join one of the more puritanical religious groups.
I'm also against people smoking next to me, and drunk driving. Does that also piss you off?
You could but this isn't the same as everyday life. Dunno if that was aimed at me but I'm still riding and will continue to do so until I'm told I can't, some would say even that is irresponsible and they may have a point. It's the entitled attitude of so many members of the great British public that gets on my tits. I know a number of frontline NHS staff (and a few in Germany) and they range from very worried to shitting themselves at what's coming.
JP, shush yourself u silly sausage.
Another problem I see (might have already been mentioned), if these potential lockdowns end up dragging on a bit most people will start looking for excuses, so if you're seen out and about, that person then mentions it to others which then helps validate them being out and about for their jollies.
Collective responsibility.
What's clear is that different countries are on different parts of the pandemic curve and making decisions on that basis.
WHO woman on Newsnight just recognised that UK has had relatively few cases to date.
If you have symptoms or someone in your house has, stay at home. Follow the recommendation from the public health scientists
If you are fit and well, go for your ride or run outside, no snogging or fist bumping.
Finally, wash your hands properly
@davosaurusrex - they're getting shot down on Facebook for it. Cwmdown have shut up shop for a few weeks as the owner, Darrell, is severely worried about him passing it on to his wife. He was extremely edgy when I was there on Sunday and rightly so. Pedalabikeaway are also only running the outdoor hut of their café with all the tables separated further than normal. Coed y Brenin is shut completely but the trails are open, possibly the bike shop. Everyone else is taking sensible precautions whereas BPW are just carrying on as normal but with a few hand sanitisers for show it seems. I'll be avoiding the main centres anyway but to still pack strangers into sweaty buses is not sensible. They could at least restrict the numbers and halve the capacity of each bus so that everyone can sit separated, I'd expect that as a bare minimum. Add in that the place usually has a few big crashes needing ambulances every day and it really is seemingly putting profit before society.
I'm booked on at BPW in May but doubt it'll happen TBH, same goes for PMBA at Gisburn and Boltby Bash. Until then I'll still be riding, but taking it steadier and avoiding the sketchy shiz.
As has been said previously on this thread, it’s not really about the possibility of passing on COVID19, it’s about the additional strain you may put on the health service if you crash.
In reality already daily risk should be reduced as all non essential travel should have already stopped. Going to ride at a trail centre is non essential.
I agree that exercise is good for health reasons, but I’d be riding from my door on quiet easy roads, not heading off to BPW.
The NGS is already feeling the pressure, don’t add to it
Take up running, you can do it from your door
it’s about the additional strain you may put on the health service if you crash.
this is utter nonsense given how safe cycling is and how much it improves health.
Are you suggesting no one should drive a car? Levels of risk are similar without cars having the health benefits
