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I need the government to tell me when I can go for a wee wee.
you’re just make shit up.
They say garden. I said big garden, to stop someone coming back with “I can’t swing a cat in my garden”.
Oh, and don’t swing cats…
Someone will be along in a minute saying they NEED to drive to the moor because the live 6 floors up no doubt.
I’m not being selfish. I am trying to reduce the chance of meeting someone who has the disease and thereby propagating the virus.
sorry, the use of selfish was rather inflammatory. And I know the chance of crashing a car is pretty small. if you really want to avoid people, stay in your house. Obviously, I’m being a dick now. That is the beauty of the Internet argument. We can focus on one thing out of a whole passage and miss the point.
anyway. Drive if you want to. The consequences of people flouting the rules is the rules being made more stringent.
But that depends what your definition of local is. If you define it as your street, then giving it to someone half a mile away that's spreading. If you define it as your town then you are transmitting it within the town. Either way this disease moves between two people who meet. Even if you only meet locally it will still spread, it will just take more people to do it. But if you are meeting more people then it will happen just the same. The fewer people you meet the less likely you are to pass it on. That is what we should individually be aiming for.
Advice is not vague at all. Don't drive for exercise - it's not essential. Do it from your door.
Some people don't like it so look for individual words so they can "interpret" the very clear advice they've been given to suit how they feel.
At work I sack those people. I can't abide them. If you can't take instruction and your mind is looking for self-justifying reasons for get-outs for things you don't like you're unmanageable.
Unfortunately they still exist in the real world. Hopefully if they get it the whole world will level-up on IQ a point or two when they pass on. The shame being that a handful of them will spread it to people who are trying to do the right thing.
Stay at home. If you need to go outside for exercise do it from your door. Don't be driving to the peak district to do it. Or Wales. Or Norfolk. If you're city-bound, tough titties - that was your life choice. Time to take up callisthenics and pilates. If you're doing it right then your heart rate will soar.
Don’t drive to somewhere to exercise, or we’ll all be told we can’t exercise outdoors at all.
Check what has happened in other countries. Educate yourself and act accordingly.
The consequences of people flouting the rules is the rules being made more stringent.
I agree entirely, but as far as I am aware I aam not flouting the rules, nor am I trying to circumvent the rules for my benefit. As I said. I'm married to a surgeon.I'm extremely worried about what happens to her being exposed with inadequate PPE. I'm not trying to be a d*ck. I'm trying to stay safe while making sure the dogs get thier exercise. If the rules change, and I expect they will, then I will abide by them, as I have been ever since all this started to happen.
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Walking 2 miles and meeting 50 people, half of whom wou have to pass close to because of the narrowness of the path. Or diving 2 miles walking 2 miles and meeting 5 people, all of whom you can pass at a safe distance?
Well 1. If you were not driving your car people could step in the road to pass 2. You are increasing risk by using a car, if you hadn’t noticed ambulances are a bit busy at the minute, and the fire service won’t be rushing to cut you out of your car as they are taking the dead bodies to the rows of freezer trucks 3. At some point you will go to a petrol pump and fill up touching the fuel handle.
Why do people feel the need to want to try and break a very simple rule
Advice is not vague at all. Don’t drive for exercise – it’s not essential. Do it from your door.
Some people don’t like it so look for individual words so they can “interpret” the very clear advice they’ve been given to suit how they feel.
simply not true, it was clarified by the Cabinet Office,
However, the Guardian checked with the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing restrictions on movement, and a spokeswoman confirmed that the guidelines did not prohibit driving somewhere for exercise or dog walking.
and the new advice does not make it any clearer.
You realise you only don't meet people in these locations you drive to to avoid people because the majority of people are doing as advised and staying local.
If everyone was as selfish your quiet spot would be overrun......we saw it last weekend prior to the new rules all over even at normally entirely deserted places.
I'm driving to the spot where we normally walk our dogs, our backup walk which is the one we can walk to is the one that's rammed with people.
Anyway. stepping away now. Stay safe
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-guidance-on-access-to-green-spaces
Please use the following guidance in order to stay safe:
stay local and use open spaces near to your home where possible – do not travel unnecessarily
Seems pretty clear to me.
No unnecessary journeys.
Also, and this probably applies to the general public more than STW people, you don't HAVE to go for a run/walk/cycle every day, there's nothing wrong with staying inside/in your garden. In fact:
"People can go for the standard length of run or walk that they ordinarily would have done. But… the important thing is, once a day," cabinet minister Michael Gove has said.
How many of these people that are out have just dusted off their 10 year old apollo halfords special, or put on some running shoes, having not cycled or ran more than a mile in the last few years?
I'm not running or cycling more than I have done in the last 4 months. There's suddenly been a surge of number of runners in my local area, 2/3x more now that a few weeks back. Nothing like a limit on leaving the house to make people want to leave the house more...
I'm astounded by the ****tery shown on this thread. I wasn't a fan of people before, even less so after all this. 🙁
Everyone seems to have a dog all of a sudden as well - bet half of those mutts only used to be kicked out the back door to shit on the lawn and were never walked.
Well I've done precisely ONE outdoor ride since the lockdown, in fact it was nearly two weeks since the previous one. That ride was from home, we're rural, and was all of 20km and got no further than 6km from home.
I've done a total of 320km outside this year, that's about ten days worth of a normal year. A normal ride would be 80km or so off-road and 120km on-road. I'm not about to suddenly do that.
The government has quite deliberately, not explicitly banned driving to exercise (see Guardian article quoted above). The government recognise that mental health is as important as physical, and exercise is critical to mental health. If someone is driving 2 miles up the road to a quiet, non honeypot spot to exercise or walk the dogs, there is negligible risk but a significant benefit to that persons mental health.
Why are some here so determined to self flaggelate, and attack others who take sensible precautions within the bounds of advice, whilst still maintaining some sanity.
Honestly this whole thing has just brought out the worst in some people's nature, spouting vitreol at strangers. Is this really what 5 days of lock down has brought us down to.
If only we had the benifit of other countries to witness where we are heading.
trail_rat
I agree with the point you were making but it does not mean the car is the solution
Actually, I think in my particular case it could be. It avoids all human contact and the traffic risk is minimal with it being a short journey on a minor road that has very little traffic. However, I am well aware that this will not be the case for the majority of people and that is who you have to legislate for. In my first post I did say that since the first outing I have now chosen to follow the rules(vague as they are) as I believe it is the right thing to do in regard to setting examples to others who's journeys may involve greater distance, more traffic risk and are unlikely to find themselves in such a deserted area where there will be increased risk of them transmitting and spreading the virus. For the majority though, including myself. Excercising locally from the front door is inevitably going to involve more human interaction which will carry increased risk of virus transmition and possibly spreading despite social distancing.
I need the government to tell me when I can go for a wee wee.
If only we had the benifit of other countries to witness where we are heading.
There’s suddenly been a surge of number of runners in my local area, 2/3x more now that a few weeks back. Nothing like a limit on leaving the house to make people want to leave the house more…
Or maybe they used to run on treadmills in their local gym which is now closed...
Trail rat & Klunk and others. If you really want to avoid us becoming like Italy. Do not go grocery shopping in person, order online, once, and get 6 weeks worth of shopping in.
One trip to Aldi or the corner shop is a thousand times more risky in terms of communicating a virus than a 1000 LOCAL trips in the car.
I don't own a car ?
order online, once, and get 6 weeks worth of shopping in.
and not possible.
Spot on Jordan. Deploying common sense within the bounds of govermental advice. Maximising your potential for good mental health and without risking harm to others.
I hope no one shames themselves by challenging your intent.
Also, and this probably applies to the general public more than STW people, you don’t HAVE to go for a run/walk/cycle every day, there’s nothing wrong with staying inside/in your garden. In fact:
Where it gets tough is with kids: we are very lucky to have a garden & some great local areas to walk & ride , our 7&9 year old lads have played a lot of garden footy this week, & we do a daily family cycle or walk round the lake.
3 year old twins are easier to deal with, but the older boys need tiring out.
If you stick a pedometer on them, between walking to school, play time, PE, after school clubs, they probably do more activity than most on here!
Our neighbours with 3 teenage boys have set up a home gym in the garage, complete with punching bag.
Must be incredibly hard on those who can't do that, with kids in flats/without gardens & local parks shut, certainly all the play areas round here are signed off.
Or maybe they used to run on treadmills in their local gym which is now closed…
Yeah that's also a probable cause. Doesn't bother me, was just an observation.
The thing we all have to remember is that everyone in the UK should be thinking whether that trip out of the house is needed. Whether that's to work, to go shopping, for exercise, or to go for 'a nice walk in the country'. And regardless of what's been said on this thread, if we get more stricter measures put in place, it won't be because a few people have driven 2 miles to be able to walk their dog without it needing to take a shit on the pavement. Whether that 2 mile drive was needed, only the person making it will know.
If more measures get put in place, it will be the idiot general public who still think going to the beach/queueing for 2 hours to get into tesco/meeting up with doris for a coffee and a chat is still "OK".
This weekend will be the tipping point, lets see how many 20 road cyclist pelotons are out, or how many people parking up at peaslake to go for a KOM on the now empty trails, or how many idiots decide to walk up snowdon again...
I'll file that stat under made up statistics.
Local shops for local people mostly.
Other than those that jump in the car and go to the next town for their quinoa because their local shop is out.
This weekend will be the tipping point, lets see how many 20 road cyclist pelotons are out, or how many people parking up at peaslake to go for a KOM on the now empty trails, or how many idiots decide to walk up snowdon again…
But it's ok. These places will be empty and thus no transmission vector for the user's because most folk are applying sense
It illustrates the point that people are focusing on the their own interpretation of government advice rather than what it actually says and the real risks.
One trip to Aldi or the corner shop is a thousand times more risky in terms of communicating a virus than a 1000 LOCAL trips in the car.
Please show your workings.
Ticked all the boxes. From the door, under an hour, didn’t get close to anyone, touch anything but my bars.
OK guilty, that statistic was plucked from the ether. But the point stands. Doing things that are permitted under the government advice (shopping) are much more risky that those which are not explicitly covered (driving to exercise). Use your common sense people and don't vilify those who do the same.
Nothing like a limit on leaving the house to make people want to leave the house more…
Certainly feels like that in our village, very few diversions for our toddler now except the local duck pond, which is now heaving with other walkers and joggers!
Doesn't help that one of the other local 'estates' has now banned access, citing safety of their workers, and in apparent cahoots with Edinburgh City Council. The fact that a lot of their estate signage is already tantamount to a breach of Scottish Access law (they use the rearing of pheasants as a 'wildlife conservation' argument to keep people to the tarmac...) makes me suspect opportunism. Good way to condensd all the proles onto the one cycle path skirting the estate!
I’m not being selfish
To be clear nwither am I, I've only used my car for the weekly shop in the last week or so...oh and an emergency food drop for two isolating relatives. But I had to drive into London for that and it made me realise for some a simple ride from the door or walk or run must be fraught with risk, given the concentration of people so its a bit, cant think of right word the word, harsh maybe to criticise those who want to find a bit of space too.
You'd do better pouring your righteous opprobrium on smokers and the fat who, as a result of their lifestyle choices, place huge strain on the NHS not just now but all the time. Just sayin,' like.
trail_rat
Local shops for local people mostly
Unfortunately not around here. My local town 5 miles away, the shops are struggling to supply everyone. So, if I continue to limit myself to one shop visit per week then I need to go to the "local" Tesco in Catterick 10 miles away, if I am to get everything I need for the week in one shopping trip. I usually shop from Tesco anyway as I dislike shopping and can get everything there I need. For the same reason I also usually shop online and have it delivered. Delivery slots are now fully booked up for a few weeks ahead and Tesco have sent an email asking me to shop in store if possible and leave delivery slots for the vulnerable.
Fair enough, but now, if I want to continue to limit myself to one shoppping trip per week following the guidelines then I have to go to Tesco in person. Now, my "local" tesco services an area probably 50 miles radius. Taking in otherwise geographically isolated valleys and dales in North Yorkshire and some larger towns further afield as far as Co. Durham not to mention the army base it is situated in. I will be going and I will be wearing a mask and gloves but it kind of puts things in a different perspective to the odd trail ride...Oh, and I will be driving to get there.
Damn! I swore I wouldn't get involved in this thread but here I am. Time to bow out I think.
UK cyclists warned to follow guidelines or 'lose privilege'
Cyclists in the UK have been warned not to continue riding in groups this weekend - or face having the right to get on their bikes taken away from them.
Pictures showed people across parts of the UK, including many cyclists, visiting parks and open spaces in large numbers last weekend.
"People on bikes were not the only culprits in last weekend's mass dash to the outdoors but, despite strong guidance from ourselves and others, too many chose to ignore the prime minister's instructions on social distancing, continuing to ride in groups and meet in cafes for a mid-ride chat," says British Cycling chief executive Julie Harrington.
"This isn't just irresponsible, it is putting people's lives at risk.
"A repeat of that this weekend risks further Government measures to take away the privilege of riding a bike for all of us and now more than ever, it is not one we can afford to lose."
Cyclists meaning road gravel yeah?
I'll just say one more thing. I do believe a full lockdown is the only way we are going to really slow this thing down and I think it will be the logical next step. Iwill obey it. I will miss riding outdoors. I will cope. I hope others can to.
I have a 4 year old who loves walking and scrambling on rocks. We usually drive a couple of miles to walk on the moors - on paths that are deserted. He can’t walk 2 miles each way just to get there so we’re limited to walking on roads near the house where we pass loads of oldies.
Getting in the car would 100% reduce our chance of passing anything on. We haven’t done for the reasons posted but it feels silly. The irony is that I live right on the edge of the peak and can ride my Mtb there quite happily but with a 4 yo it seems limiting. I can only imagine how it would fee for people living in inner cities or those with poor mobility.
In the yocality here most folk heading out for a road ride after 2000hrs.
In the yocality here most folk heading out for a road ride after 2000hrs.
Yep. My one piece of (outside the house) exercise today was walking the dog in our remote rural village after dark. Only out for 20 mins, cyclists bombing around in the dark was double figures. Never seen a single one before.
It's not just about transmission is it (although I assume all these people who say they drive somewhere and go for a walk/ride without seeing anyone or touching anything have to put fuel in the car at some point).
Breakdown guy called into the radio this week, had 20 jobs that day, he asked all of them what their essential journey was - only one was a key worker/essential.
Deputy Chief Constable Sara Glen, said it was not illegal to drive somewhere for a walk.
Didn't think so and it explains the complete vagueness of the Government's statements. That doesn't mean it's necessarily responsible to travel to your favourite riding hotspot and hopefully people don't the piss so that further liberties are not taken away.
Sorry if been covered but if a key worker cycles to work and back are they still allowed to go out a run after?