Aside from the death and economic collapse, the worst thing about this is the upturn in sanctimonious crap.
I'd put people's selfishness above that TBH.
Indeed. Person in regular clothes, riding casually, carry on. Pointy hat’d mamil giving it everything, where do you think you’re going?
'other way arround surely? If im im normal clothes Im a rule breaking heathen still going to work as normal.
If I'm in my scary lycra then im out for my exercise.
TBH im not sure what some peoples problems are, what exactly do you see being the problem with going for a ride. Odds are Id come into <2m contact with less people than sitting in the garden.
We're not talking about going to peaslake, keswick or glentress, we're talking an hour or two of riding from your doorstep.
‘other way arround surely? If im im normal clothes Im a rule breaking heathen still going to work as normal.
Going to work (if you have to) is allowed, light exercise is allowed. Going PR/KOM hunting or for century rides, not so much.
TBH im not sure what some peoples problems are
Maybe this?
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14
Where do the rules say "light exercise "?
I'm not so much of a fan of people interpreting the rules in their own way and calling people ****s and worse on that basis.
Going to work (if you have to) is allowed, light exercise is allowed. Going PR/KOM hunting or for century rides, not so much.
Who put you in charge? Seriously, you cant just make rules up.
Given the strong evidence showing exercise boosts the immune system you could better infer that you should spend your exercise time doing hill reps and sprints.
I’m not so much of a fan of people interpreting the rules in their own way and calling people **** and worse on that basis.
To be fair, it's happening the other way round much more. Sports Direct have 'decided' they are a critical service, keeping their stores open to provide the country with exercise equipment.
Agreed Tomd.
It's appears to me everyone on the internet has seperated themselves from the public at large.
All I've witnessed on forums like this and SM is - "look at the idiots out there."
Chances are - these are one and the same people.
You can go cycling. No one should be adding there own version of the rules to that.
Where do the rules say “light exercise “?
I’m not so much of a fan of people interpreting the rules in their own way and calling people * and worse on that basis.
Where did I call anyone * for interpreting the rules differently? I’m sure I heard in the PMs speech that he said light exercise, could be wrong though. Or are you taking ‘one instance of exercise’ to mean ‘as hard as you like, for as long as you like, as long as you don’t stop for the duration?
My comment about how folk dressed when on the bike was more aimed at who is likely to attract attention from the fuzz if they were out in a bike.
Plus, if you are trying to find the limits of what you are allowed to do, per the letter of the rules, in an almost marginal gains type fashion, I’m not sure you’ve got the idea of what is trying to be achieved.
Given the strong evidence showing exercise boosts the immune system you could better infer that you should spend your exercise time doing hill reps and sprints.
Yay, hill repeats!
Oh, wait... Oh no, not hill repeats, aaargh! 🤣
Running has it's benefits here, 30 mins is plenty, and even if the 1km range from your house came into play I'd still be able to do a 5/6/7k run.
Going to work (if you have to) is allowed, light exercise is allowed. Going PR/KOM hunting or for century rides, not so much.
Who put you in charge? Seriously, you cant just make rules up.
Given the strong evidence showing exercise boosts the immune system you could better infer that you should spend your exercise time doing hill reps and sprints.
Maybe this?
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14/blockquote >
Which is precisely why I will be going out for a nice bit of exercise in the sunshine, on my own rather than in a group of 20-30, or going to the beach, or seeing family and friends, or having a kick about, or going to the pub, or cycling to a cafe, or shopping at sports direct, or traveling arround the country. All things that would spread the virus, that are or should be banned. Cycling on my own wont spread the virus, and isn't banned.
I will be cycling just as much as I have all winter. 1 hour ride and never more than 7 miles from house as all my rides are loops from house.
1 dog walk each evening where there are no people/other dog walkers as our dogs are terrible with other dogs so again same as normal.
As a person who doesn't really like people or social interacting I am not against social distancing and having less people around...
I guess the problem with a pandemic like this is that you can’t take the time (few weeks) to see whether the existing measures are working or not. So all you can do is go full lockdown then, in a few weeks when the numbers start to drop, you can slowly relax things and see what effect they have. I’m still fairly optimistic that by the time the weather gets good we’ll be a bit more relaxed about people meeting in open spaces (at least outside of major cities). But we’ll see. We’re certainly living in interesting times as the old Chinese proverb probably doesn’t say.
Given the strong evidence showing exercise boosts the immune system you could better infer that you should spend your exercise time doing hill reps and sprints.
You, like many of my friends and neighbours, have missed the point entirely. This is not about how good your immune system is and you catching this virus. It's about you having it, shedding virus particles, so ensuring you have reduced to the absolute minimum the chance of passing it on.
Forgotten the guidance already?
You don't remember the bit where it says time spent outside of home should be minimized?
It’s not essential to spend 2-3 hours out on your bike miles from home
What is the risk if I do that?
And the fuzz won't have anything to say if there aren't any rules against it.
I'm all for sticking to the rules. I've been self isolating for a week already, I'm wearing gloves and staying apart and every other precaution I can think of. But I can't see the issue with a 2hr road ride.
I genuinely see both sides. The trouble is that 'don't be a dick' as a policy can't work because we already know a substantial proportion of the population are (I'm tempted to say 52% at least but let's not 😉 )- but there is a proportion of 'won't be told' types who won't change at all, or worse will do the opposite for exactly that reason. "My grandad didn't fight the Nazi's just so people can tell me what to do!"
So those that can make a reasonable non-dickish adjustment to life to allow for these times then get thrown in with all the dicks anyway.
It's part of our culture now - whether brexit, speeding, mobile phone use, lack of respect for schools and teachers, it's what we've become as a nation. We haven't collectively dealt with it and as a result we now have to all be treated like morons because we can't be trusted to make sensible decisions for ourselves without pushing it that bit too far.
The genie's out of the bottle, I don't think we can change it now.
Aside from the death and economic collapse, the worst thing about this is the upturn in sanctimonious crap.
Agreed, although it's providing me entertainment to watch people 'out sanctimonious' each other.
Me, as an asthmatic, i'm still running 3/4 times a week with the dog first thing before starting work (at home). And I'll carry on riding my bike & building in the local woods, which is mostly deserted anyway, save for the yoofs on stolen MX bikes.
It's quite nice to think my car has sat on the road outside for the last week & hasn't moved.
I’m sure I heard in the PMs speech that he said light exercise, could be wrong though. Or are you taking ‘one instance of exercise’ to mean ‘as hard as you like, for as long as you like, as long as you don’t stop for the duration?
You heard wrong, he said no such thing. No I'm not taking it to mean that, all my exercise is from the door and short anyway. Lucky to live about 1 minutes ride or 3 minute run from the trails. I'm not really interested in technical riding, even before this kicked off I've got too much going on to risk mangling myself.
We shouldn't forget that for lots of folk, likely including the majority on here, 2 hours or 30km of riding is an epic. Those who are well used to much longer rides and much greater distances would do well to remember that they are in a tiny minority and would be viewed as "extreme athletes". Different folk have different perceptions of "normal".
We'll be out the house 3-4 times a day, or as often as the foster dog indicates he needs to go out. We don't have a garden so a short walk to the field near the house will happen. It's essential afaic, it's always quiet there as people have been electing to go to the local park for dog walks and exercise as the views are better and there's less shit.
Bike is locked away until this is over, going back to running as i'll get more benefit from that for an hour than MTBing on the flat.
Do I feel bad about 'breaking the rules' mildly, but I'm quite happy to explain this to a police officer should they notice the frequency.
‘You there, in the skinsuit, is your journey necessary’
"No, but this is my one exercise per day as specified in the rules, a normal two hour spin."
"Er ok then, crack on"
I think it says 'Don't leave the house unless necessary EXCEPT for your daily exercise and don't go near anyone' and there's no time limit placed on that exercise portion is there?
I've decided to spend the money I would have spent this year on tyres/upgrades/diesel on some exercise equipment. I won't be out at all.
Christ, how hard can it be to follow simple guidelines for the good of your fellow citizens?
Go for a short run or a short walk or a short bike ride every day then go home.
Don't forget the right-wing press has a vicious anti-cycling agenda and when pictures start appearing of lycra clad mamils in obscure country lanes or muddy mtb'ers in tomorrows papers the government will put a stop to all the daily exercise allowances like they've done in France and Italy.
People seem really keen to make up their own rules. I'll stick to the ones that were given and within those make efforts to eliminate the amount of people I come into contact with and the risk of serious injury.
and there’s no time limit placed on that exercise portion is there?
'even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent
outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household'
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
1. STAYING AT HOME
You should only leave the house for one of four reasons● One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your
household.These four reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home.
Don't drive to a location, don't do a 3-4 hour loop, just go from home, spin up your legs, get a bit out of breath, and then go home, an hour should do it I'd have thought.
I'm genuinely confused. I saw the Broadcast and heard him say one piece of excercise a day, also it's ok to go to the park as long as we stay separate.
Does that mean I can drive to my place of exercise?
Once I'm on Cannock Chase I can go for miles without coming within 10 metres of anyone. If I drive to my local lake I can windsurf for an hour, solo.
I've decided to take this isolation seriously and not break any laws, rules or guidelines. I just need to know what they are!
This is what was said...
That is why people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes:
...
one form of exercise a day – for example a run, walk, or cycle – alone or with members of your household;
...
Parks will remain open for exercise but gatherings will be dispersed.
from Gov.UK
"minimising time spent out of home"
1. STAYING AT HOME
You should only leave the house for one of four reasons.
● Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as
possible.
● One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your
household.
● Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.
● Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
These four reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household
I guess my ‘light exercise’ idea came from a cycle being equivalent to a walk.
I’ve decided to spend the money I would have spent this year on tyres/upgrades/diesel on some exercise equipment.
i believe sports direct is open......
I’ve decided to take this isolation seriously and not break any laws, rules or guidelines. I just need to know what they are!
Why not approach it from the angle of 'what's the minimum exercise I can do to stay sane', rather than try and find the boundaries? The govt is putting in these restrictions at such a pace, we all know they will be down to police and the armed forces on the ground to interpret.
Hi BTW, we've ridden together on the Chase before (decades ago!)
You're s sight more likely to get / spread the virus in a supermarket than out on a solo bike ride on quiet back lanes no? I'm far more worried about that.
Surely what you can do, if you choose to go for a ride, is exercise social distancing, plan so you avoid the sort of places and pinch-points where that might be an issue - round here that'd be old railway trails and the like - and be mindful of anything you touch, like gate latches etc.
If you feel happier not riding or want to place strictures on what you do, fair enough. There's no point in going out running or on a bike if it's going to stress you out or you genuinely feel you present a risk to other people or NHS resources.
We need to look after each other and ourselves. If responsible cycling helps with that, then brilliant. I properly worry about my single friends and how they're going to cope with what amounts to some sort of solitary confinement, potentially for months on end. At least I have Mrs BWD's terrifying singing to distract me :-/
The problem is "allowed exercise" and "minimising time outdoors" are in conflict.
I'd like to ask the self appointed experts (who of course aren't self righteous themselves) what the increased risk is of a 3hr solo ride vs 2 or 1hr?
I know we're all bored, bit haven't you better things to be bothering about?
don’t be a dick’ as a policy can’t work
How about: "Use common sense".. ? Ah, yeah, I see what you mean.
My maintenance with the gym shut EOD; 50 push/ 50 Pulls ups/ Crunches daily. Then some sprints. 10 sec sprint, 20 sec jog x10 - 5mins. About 30 mins if you do not mess around.
Bike ride local offroad loop EOD through the woods no gates on my steel HT 45 mins. Big climb and mellow dh.
I’d like to ask the self appointed experts (who of course aren’t self righteous themselves) what the increased risk is of a 3hr solo ride vs 2 or 1hr?
Everyone is just interpreting the advice, I'd just just say; reflect on the following: the advice is filled with words such as "minimum", "essential", "basic"...and the absolute bottom line is STAY INDOORS as much as you can. we're all going to interpret it differently.
I left home at 6.30am and rode 20 miles like I do most days, although a quiet county lanes loop rather than to work. The police car that passed me didn't seem concerned by the MAMIL on a road bike.
You, like many of my friends and neighbours, have missed the point entirely. This is not about how good your immune system is and you catching this virus. It’s about you having it, shedding virus particles, so ensuring you have reduced to the absolute minimum the chance of passing it on.
The two arent exclusive. You can get some exercise and not come into contact with any one.
And I doubt anyone will get caught on a 100 mile ride every day. Its working from home, not a holiday.
I know we’re all bored, bit haven’t you better things to be bothering about?
Like? Better things than trying to minimise the transmission of Covid-19? Kinda my top priority at mo (well equal top priority with keeping family and friends happy and healthy)
Can we have a time out instead of just going round in ever decreasing circles and repeating the same thing over and over again ad nauseum which isn't creating any sort of consensus, just lots of disagreement.
In a way it's a microcosm of the whole situation. There's very little certainty. People are very scared / concerned / worried / terrified as a result. And there's maybe a tendency to try and impose rigid rules and structures on things that don't really lend themselves to rigid structures and rules. Oh, and not crashing.
The things that are going to make exercise safe - or safer if you prefer - aren't primarily about time or distance from your house or even how intense your ride is, they're about keeping away from other people, exercising good hand hygiene while you're out and when you return - I'm opening gates with my righthand glove only, sticking it in the wash when I return and disinfecting my handlebars - if I have to cope with snot, the left glove does it. Mostly I avoid gates anyway.
Round here - edge of the Peak - that's all relatively easy. I guess if you live in a more urban environment, it would be harder. Going out at an unpopular time of the day could make it easier I guess.
Stay safe. Stay healthy. Be careful. Look after your mates even if you can only do it virtually.
The problem is “allowed exercise” and “minimising time outdoors” are in conflict.
They are yes. I could guess that the 'minimise time spent outdoors' means doing your exercise then going home, not hanging around chatting or having a cake or whatever - not that you can do those things anyway though.
even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home
So then what is the minimum amount of exercise required? If I restrict myself to 30 mins a day I'm going to lose fitness, as are most cyclists I'd imagine. So is that my minimum? Whose minimum should it be?
Jamie...I note no answer to my question...you don't have one.
reflect on the following: the advice is filled with words such as “minimum”, “essential”, “basic”…and the absolute bottom line is STAY INDOORS as much as you can. we’re all going to interpret it differently.
You mean don't go out?
You mean don’t go out?
Mostly, yes. You need to minimise the time you spend outdoors. So do some exercise, and go home again. Yeah you might be as fit as you'd like to be , so what? Exercise indoors instead.
