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A google search only throws these up on eBay in the states at a ludicrous price. Anybody know when they're on sale in Europe? Bike discount only have the SRAM versions
Thanks
I've just got one off eBay, seller name mop18795, who seems to be in Portugal. It turned up in about 4 days.
Found him earlier but he's pretty pricey, the auction on the latest one is up to nearly USD200 already!
Hmm, he was doing them as buy it now last week. Anyway, you'll not find them for less I don't think, it's a dear thing.
Leonardi only sell their products in Italy, so if you are looking to buy one, you need to find a shop like Bagnoli Bike in Castiglione della Pescaia who are willing to ship internationally
Off the review - tried them? Is it not only SRAM?
Will try them, thanks Nick. Although not sure the above is strictly true; bike discount sell the SRAM ones and they ain't Italiano!
In stock at Bagnoli bike, many thanks all
Wait a month until you know what X01 will cost, as that's a far better solution potentially for similar cost?
Stunned at folk forking out so much for half a cassette!
XO1 will still need a new cassette body if you are converting from 10 speed, which, depending on your current wheelset will either add a chunk of cost or make it totally prohibitive. Also, I'm a lot less convinced by SRAMs implementation of the clutch mech, my X9 one lost a lot of it's clutch effect over 6 months riding. I'm going to try the General Lee cassette with XTR/XT shifter for a bit and see how that works out.
Going XX1 or XO1 is not viable. I have all Shimano stuff at the minute so would need new freehub body, cassette, chain, mech and shifter. Not worth the hassle plus I really like XTR and have an inherent distrust of a lot of SRAM stuff from previous bad experiences. I'm going to see how i go with a 32 front and 11-36 at the back to start with.
Cheers all
So what was the problem with triple chainsets again? 😆
Can't see why people would want to spend a load of money to have poorer shifting, massive jumps between sprockets and voided warranties when the solution has existed for decades. 😕
sbob - MemberSo what was the problem with triple chainsets again?
Ground clearance, weight, and jagged holes in your legs?
sbob - MemberSo what was the problem with triple chainsets again?
1x10 setups are better for ground clearance, weight, simplicity, silence, less clutter. No carrying around a load of gears you barely use.
My 1x10 setup has been faultless, everywhere in this country and the Alps.
What poor shifting?
Embrace change, might widen your world. 😉
I simply cant get my head around the general lee route - a 36T at the back is plenty! If not, just walk, its likely to be as quick!
Can't imagine you'd save much weight, once you've added those clunky Italian sprockets (which is where the poorer shifting comes from) and the chain device you now need.
More cogs at the back and thinner chains just seems to mean components don't last as long.
My 3x9 setup has been faultless since 2000, with lovely evenly spaced jumps between sprockets.
Never had a problem with ground clearance myself, but I appreciate other people might (I've always ridden HTs).
Front mechs are far simpler than rears.
With regard to change, the only actual improvement made in changing gear I've witnessed with current systems compared to my old gear is that when changing to a smaller sprocket or chainring, the shifter now moves when you pull the trigger rather than release it.
I simply cant get my head around the general lee route - a 36T at the back is plenty! If not, just walk, its likely to be as quick!
Not everywhere it's not, and not for every rider. I'm not super fit but I've been riding for 20 yrs plus, I'm very keen and I'm in reasonable shape and for me, where I ride, even the 32 to 42 first gear that the General Lee will give will be at the limit of what I'd consider acceptable. Sure, I've had bikes with a higher 1st gear than that in the past, but the lower gears are better, they have improved my enjoyment of my riding, so why do without them?
Plus, and this is the big thing, it's nice to have a bigger range, so why not? If 36t was enough SRAM wouldn't have bothered with, and wouldn't be selling XX1 and XO1.
Slow as it seems, even plugging away in a 22t front to 36t rear is faster than pushing. If you are fit enough to carry your bike and run then that argument stacks up but most folk aren't quite at that level.
If going 1x10, do you still need/want a bash guard or is it ok to smack the chain off rocks?
Can't imagine you'd save much weight, once you've added those clunky Italian sprockets (which is where the poorer shifting comes from) and the chain device you now need.
Well, I was already running a chain device on my 2x9 and 2x10 set-ups as the chain won't stay on with 3x and no device for me, so that's no change, and in fact I'm going to try one of the alternating thickness chainrings with the 1x set-ups, so hopefully I'll not need a device, or if I do, it'll be a lighter one than the 2x device I was using. Also, I'll lose the weight of a front mech, front shifter, cabling and a bash guard.
On the weight of the General Lee sprockets, I'm converting an XT 11-36 10-speed cassette, so I'll be replacing the 3 large sprockets, the ones on the aluminium spider. I weighed them at 186g for those three. I weighed the General Lee replacements at 164g, so that'll actually be a little lighter.
If going 1x10, do you still need/want a bash guard or is it ok to smack the chain off rocks?
Usually o.k without as it's higher up and the chain protects the teeth of the chainring which is the usual vulnerable spot.
sbob - MemberCan't imagine you'd save much weight, once you've added those clunky Italian sprockets (which is where the poorer shifting comes from) and the chain device you now need.
More cogs at the back and thinner chains just seems to mean components don't last as long.
My 3x9 setup has been faultless since 2000, with lovely evenly spaced jumps between sprockets.
Never had a problem with ground clearance myself, but I appreciate other people might (I've always ridden HTs).
Front mechs are far simpler than rears.With regard to change, the only actual improvement made in changing gear I've witnessed with current systems compared to my old gear is that when changing to a smaller sprocket or chainring, the shifter now moves when you pull the trigger rather than release it.
If you go down the Italian sprocket route, they are lighter than the rings they replace.
What chain device? NW chainrings and clutch mechs do the job. And if you do need a top guide they weigh nothing.
If you need 27 gears then that's cool. It's just not for everyone these days as there is a 'choice'.
My 1x10 gets me up everything and down everything. The bike is silent too, which adds to my enjoyment 😮
Thanks Robin.
Not sure the Ground clearance thing is really the most significant benefit, TBH ground clearance is about on par with a 2xN setup, weight and simplicity are the major reasons to go 1xN IMO...
Having resisted 1XN for a while, I do find myself more and more tempted to bastardize myself a 1x9 trial setup just to see how it goes... More fixie / SS riding lately is helping me with the MTFUness, so getting rid of some ratios might be a good thing...
My trouble is that I go and calculate the ratios my drivetrain can achieve and my current 36/22 with 11-32 cassette [U]can[/U] go silly low, not that I need those gears 98% of the time
What happened to that fella who was flogging 38 and 40t replacement steel sprockets on ebay? still going? couldn't find them in a search
I'm just going by what I read on here.
No-one ran 1x last time I was shopping for a bike (other than dirt jumpers), and it seems like lots of people do need a chain device.
I can't believe the hunks of Italian metal weigh less than the sprockets on my bike, which is all I had to compare to, but I'm not 100% au fait with current set-ups.
I can't believe the hunks of Italian metal weigh less than the sprockets on my bike, which is all I had to compare to, but I'm not 100% au fait with current set-ups.
They do though, regardless of whether it seems likely. I weighed them myself last night on a set of digital kitchen scales. It's not going to make your bike noticeably lighter but they definitely are measurably lighter.
They are far more machined out on the back than you are likely to have appreciated from the photos on the net.
robinlaidlaw - MemberThey do though
How much do my sprockets weigh then? 😉
How much do my sprockets weigh then?
Which 10 speed cassette are you running? 😉
Robin, are you using a SRAM cassette for this or have they released a shimano compatible one? I'd be tempted but I thought they hd decided against shimano cassettes because of the spider and don't fancy new SRAM cassette and the adapter.
Cheers
They've released a Shimano one, just available in last few weeks. Works with XT & SLX (not XTR) only
How much do my sprockets weigh then?
and XT setup vs the General lee:
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FWIW i'm awaiting the delivery of my shimano 40T sprockets (should be here 13th Aug) and works components fat/thin chain ring (monday)... so no chain device needed.... not that weight is a huge factor for me but i'll have lost:
a front ring
front shifter
front derailleur
2x chain device
front gear cabling stuff
and a bit of weight in the sprocket section (lol)
I just see it as losing a lot of clutter (that I don't use much) rather than the weight.
I love the silence of my bike now.
also, watch this if you're thinking about it for Shimano:
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I've ordered one of these from Bagnoli Bikes and it should be here by the end of the week. Can anybody tell me if I should use a medium or a long cage mech with it. Also, if I get a clutch mech such as the SLX M675 Shadow+ does that do away with the need for a chain guide altogether?
Thanks in advance
Did you just email them then Paypal them the money Johnny? Might be looking at one later in the year. The consensus is that a medium cage will be fine as long as you're running a single ring up front, think it says so on a couple of places like bikeradar/pinkbike on their reviews.
If you're using a thick/thin front chainring and doing XC then probably get away with no guide but if you're riding rougher stuff, especially with short/no rear travel the I'd use a top guide
Yes Rob. A couple of emails and it was all done. All seems very efficient thus far! Just going back to the rear mech, if I still need a chain guide even with a clutch mech and a thick thin chain ring, why bother with the extra expense of those components? The bike they're going on is my Orange Alpine 160. It's a pretty bombproof build so more intended for the rough stuff, I'm confused!
If this setup is comparable with xx1, & let's face it, that's the point, then you should not need any kind of chain guide or device... My adapter will hopefully be here by this weekend and will be put to use/tested in the lakes straight away
If this setup is comparable with xx1, & let's face it, that's the point, then you should not need any kind of chain guide or device... My adapter will hopefully be here by this weekend and will be put to use/tested in the lakes straight away
Rob - where have you ordered yours from?
Looking at getting one at the end of the month........(payday!!!!)
From eBay a seller called mop18795 based in Portugal....
robgclarkson - MemberIf this setup is comparable with xx1, & let's face it, that's the point, then you should not need any kind of chain guide or device
Plenty folk not finding that to be the case with XX1
Im not one of them. I have xx1 on a hardtail and have been blown away with the silence and chain retention, hence why I'm doing this on my full sus...
I can't afford the full xx1 conversion though and I can do this for just under £200...
If it's going on a 160 I'd be running a full guide like you said and not bothering with thick thin chainring and cluth mech.
Anything with ISCG tabs are worth using in my book
I’ve been running my Sram General Lee adapter for nearly a month now. My set up is Sram PG1070 Cassette with General Lee adapter, Sram 10sp chain, 30t Wolf Tooth ‘XX1 style’ chain ring, medium cage XT Shadow Plus clutch mech and a Zee shifter. Considering the mech is out of its comfort zone it still shifts cleanly and reasonably crisply through 9 of the 10 cogs, but it can take a split second extra to ramp up onto the 40t. The whole set up works well though, giving me a decent spread of gears that suits 99% of my riding without having to go to the expense of XX1 or XX0. The other plus is that I like to carry a spare mech with me on holidays and weekends away, and with this set up I was able to buy a relatively cheap SLX clutch mech. I’m not running any kind of chain device, the chain remains tight and secure and hasn’t dropped once despite hammering down a few fast rocky descents, but I have just fitted a bash as the chain ring was looking a little bit too exposed and the Wolf Tooth ring wasn’t cheap!
I bought my General Lee adapter from BikeDiscount.de as they had a few Sram ones in stock last month, and they were the cheapest I could find at the time. I know they were planning to buy in Shimano adapters too once they had been released by Leonardi Factory.
andysmiff1 - MemberPlenty folk not finding that to be the case with XX1
For me the works ring has proved more effective than a top-only chainguide. even if it turns out not to be a 100% fix it's still going to be better than the old options which folk found satisfactory
Northwind + 1
seriously i dont know what sort of riding the folks who are dropping chains are doing, or whether its just not been setup correctly in the first place (ie, chain length etc)
because ive absolutly hammered my xtr clutch mech and raceface Narrow/wide chain ring on absolutly everything the white and dark peak district has to throw at it and not once have i dropped the chain
did another almost 30 mile loop around jacobs/kinder/hayfield/rowarth etc on sunday again going full pelt some sections and no sign of dropping....now for me riding the peak pretty much constantly these tracks are as rough as they get around there/and around the country, so im really not sure where on earth else some folks are losing the chains
FWIW my RF n/w ring is now about 2 months old id say and its showing no sign of degrading/wearing and its used 3 times a week in the white/dark peak
and also i was running a e13 top guide before so ive used both, the RF ring works just as well as the top guide, only difference is its silent, with no extreme gear rubbing and no alignment issues etc...it just works!
i still cant believe shimano havent come up with something, seriously if a small company like this leonardi can produce something on a par/very near to XX1 then shimano surely have the facilities/staff/knowledge/money to be able to something the same and better even staying at 10 speed!
id consider a generallee adaptor if it wasnt silly money for 3 cogs, as id perhaps enjoy having that extra bit in the high gears for climbing
i run 11-36 out back at the min, with 32 up front
even if i got the adaptor id still stick with 32 up front and as the adaptor is 40-36-etc id still be able to mostly run it in 2nd gear and save the 40 for the absolute stonking climbs when im running on low...that said i get up it all now, its just a bit more painful!
so come on shimano please please bring out a 10 speed 10-40/42 cassette and trump sram!
Northwind - Member
andysmiff1 - Member
Plenty folk not finding that to be the case with XX1
For me the works ring has proved more effective than a top-only chainguide. even if it turns out not to be a 100% fix it's still going to be better than the old options which folk found satisfactory
Oops - I only meant to ask where Rob had ordered his adaptor.
No experience yet on a thick-thin ring to comment on their performance........
Just to update, having run mine for a couple of rides. I'm running an XT block converted with the shimano version General Lee to give me 11-42t. I'm running a 32t Raceface narrow/wide ring on the front and at the moment I've got a E-13 top guide on which doesn't touch the chain so makes no noise and only weighs 60g, so I think it'll maybe just stay.
I'm very pleased with the gear range I get, which is going to prove to be just enough at each end I think, it certainly had been so far. I weighed everything I took off and everything that I put on and in my case, going from 2x10 with a bash guard to 1x10 without has saved 548g, or 1.2 lb. The only drawback initially was that the shifting onto and off the General Lee adapter, and between the sprockets on the General Lee was not great. I had a careful look at the tooth profiles on the General Lee and compared to the now spare XT sprockets and could see that the XT had several slightly twisted teeth either side of the machined ramps (which the General Lee also has) to help the chain move sideways and than to encourage it to drop over to the other side of the sprocket. The teeth on the General Lee are all straight and were holding the chain too well. I had a careful look at the XT teeth and then replicated the shapes on the General Lee with the aid of a Dremel and some careful work. The result on last night's trip was excellent shifting in both directions. I can give details and photos of what I did if anyone else has the same issue.
Very pleased with it now, overall an excellent setup.