[Closed] LBS .. not doing themselves any favours!

Apart perhaps from the bitter and scathing personal vendetta that he has launched against LoCo for no discernible reason..

I think the only reason the OP started on Shepleg/LoCo was because he (they) said that he knew the shop and OP and that the OP had some sort of history.

TBH, I'd be a bit miffed if someone said that about me and it wasn't true.

Aaarghhh! My brain is turning to custard. Who do we burn?

- LBS - clearly ripped him off, but some think it is an honest mistake
- OP - Has the cheek to complain about being ripped off, then turns nasty on LoCo, but perhaps this is justified
- Loco - defends LBS, perhaps unfairly, pehaps not entirely transparent, but also he is a victim as his business is mentioned
- Shepsoandso - he is also not transparent, but perhaps he is, but he is LoCo.

😕

I need to lie down in a quiet room

if loco and shep are not one, id be expecting one of em to be sayin..OI mooo thats B****x , but as yet..?

no big deal but its a bit err sad to be two very different on line characters.(based on reading some history posts by both thats how the two seem)..cant see the point really..so a bit dissapointing if true as loco always comes across very well.

I know some forums won't allow you to have more than one login. If found out by a mod you get banned. Not sure if it's the case on here.

why did you go to
martin ashfield cycles
when PS is just up the road?

Cause ps charge a fortune?

Morning, Blimey 🙄

Yes that was a post from my old personal account, logging in on multiple machines/phone the autosave passwords etc sorry about that shepleg has now been disabled by the STW office so it doesn't happen again, it's pretty obvious who it is posting by web histories anyway.

I stand by the earlier post too, it should have read 'knowing of' not 'knowing'

Any way I'll leave it at that as this ones going to run & run, you won't find any promotion of the company on the old account either.

If any one has any issues feel free to mail, call or pop up and see me. 😀

Aghh, LoCo, that is far too measured a response. Am I meant to burn you with pitchforks until you are dead or not?

shepleg - Member
Knowing both the op and shop, there is definatly more to this 'story' than has been posted here. Straight accusing them of theft and naming them is disgusting. With the op's history.

he knows of him and i doubt we will hear any more so lets put the pitchforks away

Ps the seals and lube arrived - for being nice to you on here I expect excellent technical support by phone when I call this week when I **** up my service 😉

for STW clarity he is not a mate I bought some stuff from him, we have never met but I know of him

Sounds like the LBS still ripped off the OP...

I would probably get irritated by people bringing me bits they'd bought from an online shop and expect me to build them. But then if that were the case I'd just quote a higher price (safe in the knowledge that the customer isn't in a position to build a wheel himself), or just refuse the business. I wouldn't provide a shoddy, dishonest service - There's no excuse for that.

So we're not going to find out what the OP's 'history' is. I've been following this stupid thread for four pages to find that out 😥

yunki - Member

As for the OP I would not be happy in his position but I am also giving you the benefit of the doubt here and assuming you are also a good egg

Apart perhaps from the bitter and scathing personal vendetta that he has launched against LoCo for no discernible reason..

Please re-read thread. I have not launched a bitter and scathing personal vendetta against LoCo.
If you read posts - he launched one against me ... suggesting he knew me .. that I had history.
Well I just looked through the posters history to see who this shepleg was, because they said they knew me.
And surprise surprise it was LoCo .. a guy I have never met. A guy I have never previously or launched a bitter and scathing personal vendetta against 🙄

Reading between the lines It seems pretty clear where he is coming from.

So LoCo .. why the diff attitude when you use diff log in accounts?

And is it a coincidence you only show up once somebody has offered you a lifeline to acting such a nob?

A common mistake by amateur mechanics is to think that the average bike shop repair is as simple as their average home repair. It really isn't

This +1

As a rule if I take something to the LBS it's because normal home tools have failed.

It might be a 15 minute job to change a BB at home, but if I drop it at the LBS it's because I've already spent half an hour trying to shift it, trashed my tool and run out of propane/plusgas. And they'll still charge the flat rate £10 to get it out!

So LoCo .. why the diff attitude when you use diff log in accounts?

Personal View Vs View of a business.

I think its fair to have a "Business" and a "Personal" log-in.

Personal View Vs View of a business.

I think its fair to have a "Business" and a "Personal" log-in.

I think I might need a 'sober' and 'drunk' log-in 😉

sorry mooman.. it really doesn't look that way to me at all..

I appreciate that you may have had an unsatisfactory experience with your LBS, but I personally think that perhaps you should concentrate on trying to resolve it with them, rather than coming online all apocryphal and with guns blazing..

You've made a concerted effort to damage two (seemingly highly reputable) small businesses in one thread, which just seems a bit cheap and spiteful from where I'm sitting..
I'm sure you have your reasons but we're definitely going to have to agree to disagree..

Personal View Vs View of a business.
I think its fair to have a "Business" and a "Personal" log-in.

this is something that I do agree with however

Just read all five pages (that's a chunk of my life I won't get back) and I'm staggered that the OP is the one taking crap on here.

Speculating on why the shop did what they did? Yeah, the OP might be the most annoying customer they've ever dealt with, ringing them up constantly, querying the cost of spokes, what a nightmare! So, scamming him is fine, yeah?

Some people jump to the LBS defence, and in some cases turning the flames on the OP and suggesting he's the one with the problem and the "history". And then it turns out that two of those were actually the one person. And that's fine too, yeah? Cos, y'know, logins on different devices, yadda yadda yadda. Whatever.

OP, you were ripped off. You might be the most annoying prick in Britain and every LBS owner's archetypal nightmare customer. No matter, you still got ripped off. If I was you, rather than "biking forum" I'd be thinking "trading standards". Thanks for the warning on that LBS.

Oh yes, sorry, I forgot, it was probably an "honest mistake" except of course, that it clearly wasn't and anyone trying to twist it into a scenario where it could have been has got an interesting relationship with reality imo.

You might be the most annoying prick in Britain

I think that little outburst just there settles that contest....

IIRC the OP got a refund? So all is well that ends well.

I think its fair to have a "Business" and a "Personal" log-in.

Perhaps, but isn't there a suggestion that this isn't the first thread where the two personas have both contributed, and apparently contributed in different "voice"? Dress it up however your like, but that's dishonest. Not going to check the allegation, so apologies if I'm naive in taking it as so from what is posted here, but having seen the posts on this thread, I don't buy this "accidental, logins set on different devices" story.

This just comes across as the usual "defend someone we know over someone we don't" attitude on here, as seen with iDave, WatsonTony, the different reaction when someone known and later a newbie each promote "racing" on bridleways...

IIRC the OP got a refund? So all is well that ends well.

So it all "ends well" if there's a LBS, apparently well respected by some on here, who deliberately rip of customers, and that's fine because they refund it if the customer is savvy enough to spot what they've done?

I always thought there were two sides to every story, we have only heard from Mooman.

edlong is spot on, and I can't see how anyone could possibly read it any other way.

Op was clearly ripped off by LBS.
Op was clearly rebuffed by multiple logins of same LBS related person.

I always thought there were two sides to every story

On one side LoCo, on the other shepleg 😉

Mooman, Sorry if my comment was misunderstood. I did not intend to point fingers at anyone using 2 logins.

Yes but LoCo knows (of) Mooman and/or knows (of) the LBS in question and he's told us that Mooman has history.

So we seem to be getting at least part of the other side of the story, even if it is shrouded in mystery

Whatever the reason for the 'mixup' in this instance, clear communication from the LBS appears to have been a factor.

a question for the LBS owners / staff on here- have you ever 'invented' the need for a spare part as a way of buying time against an over-optimistic turnaround or pushy customer?

I can recall overhearing a conversation at a certain very trendy london road/hipster-centric shop, (staffed by 70%tools 30%decent types) where customer rocks up asking for his campag rear wheel they were due to have fixed by last friday.
Customer goes off browsing clothes as till staff is calling workshop downstairs saying something like "what? you aint looked at it yet? eh? ok i'll tell him"
then to customer- "yes sorry sir, we are waiting for a part - needs to be fed-exed in from italy - a er, spoke, should be here by tomorrow."
customer looks a little confused and says "ok, i thought it was just the hub that needed sorting"...

never used that workshop!

Perhaps, but isn't there a suggestion that this isn't the first thread where the two personas have both contributed, and apparently contributed in different "voice"? Dress it up however your like, but that's dishonest. Not going to check the allegation, so apologies if I'm naive in taking it as so from what is posted here, but having seen the posts on this thread, I don't buy this "accidental, logins set on different devices" story.

It's not like he came on and said "I agree with LOCO" or started knocking MOJO or TF like the Suoperstar/Fruit/Tango incident.

Why can't you buy it? I've got at least 3 e-mail addresses depending whether I'm in Work, out of work but doing serious stuff, or my own personal account. I'd have no problem with a shop/brand having a 'work' login, obviously that system woule be open to abuse and astroturfing, which is why it's banned as a ban's easier to police.

Had a quick look at shepleg's posting history (I'm bored)

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/are-my-revs-knackered

In this thread Scapegoat is thanking LoCo and telling shepleg to piss off in the same post.

'I honestly didn't realise I was still using that login, guv.' Not so sure myself.

The whole of this thread predicates on the honesty and reliability of the OP.It seems to me to be very "keyboard warriorish" of him to post on here accusing the LBS of dishonesty.If he can prove this,then he should be dealing with Trading Standards,not making potentially libellous statements on a public site.I think the mods should have pulled this thread as it could threaten Singletrack if the LBS is not prosecuted.

It seems like a few on this thread know the LBS. Why not get them to reply? I'd like to think that, if the evidence we've seen is not true, they would be more than happy to defend themselves..

I think the mods should have pulled this thread as it could threaten Singletrack if the LBS is not prosecuted.

Is you on crack?

No I'm not,it's a risky proposition for forums like this to publish potentially libellous statements and has led to threads being pulled on here before now.

It seems like a few on this thread know the LBS. Why not get them to reply? I'd like to think that, if the evidence we've seen is not true, they would be more than happy to defend themselves

Given that they've been accused of attempted fraud, I think that would be poor advice tbh, much as I'd love to get the rich teas out for a good fight. They've got two options:

1) Admit the OP's story is correct. If it was me, I wouldn't want to commit that to writing.

2) Dispute the OP's story. Some will believe them, some will believe the OP. No one will come out of it looking good.

No I'm not,it's a risky proposition for forums like this to publish potentially libellous statements and has led to threads being pulled on here before now.

That depends whether you think there's a chance the story the OP gives is untrue - personally I'd suggest it would appear rather unlikely, and at worst it's a case of one person's word against another's which is unlikely to lead to the award of huge damages. There might be some debate over whether it was something the shop did deliberately or it was all an accident, but I don't see that any of that debate is likely to cause any particular issues.

Just how many sock-puppets are there on this thread ffs?

Dunno palookah, is there something you'd like to tell us?

I still don't know who we are burning 🙁

Lets make it simple,and all burn ourselves.Out of sheer politeness,I'll let you go first.

If I burn myself can I still log in with my other alter ego account?

If I burn myself can I still log in with my other alter ego account?

Only if it's an accident as you have so many different devices etc... 😉

@edlong, no not specifically.

But it is very curious; there are constant calls for name and shame in threads where an unidentified LBS has been accused or poor/dubious behaviour. In this case we have numerous attacks on the OP and calls for the thread to be deleted.

You could burn yourself with one account,and burn someone else with the other.

but isn't there a suggestion that this isn't the first thread where the two personas have both contributed, and apparently contributed in different "voice"?

In this case we have numerous attacks on the OP and calls for the thread to be deleted.

If only there was a panacea