Age shouldn’t come into it. You can have 40 year olds who are incapable of driving and 70 year olds who can drive fine.
Age is only a factor in that you must account for your differing abilities as you age in order to drive safely. Slowing down, for instance and increasing following distance compensates for changes in reaction times and visual processing changes. It also gets you cut up by all the people with important things to do.
“Perhaps you could explain, with references to the highway code, why he would be in the wrong given”
He’s in the wrong because he’s not obeying the rule. We don’t get to choose when to obey them, or interpret them as we’d like, we have to obey them or we’re in the wrong.
... I’ll give you the ‘artistic licence’ thing though.
I think I'm supposed to stop before the dotted line, not straddling it. I'm not an advanced motorist, though.
No points for either of you. I'll help you out though, it was a trick question.
Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing
look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing
allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads
do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching
be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing.A zebra crossing with a central island is two separate crossings (see pictures in Crossings (18 to 30)).
Law ZPPPCRGD reg 25
So from the picture he may well be moving off having previously given way to the pedestrian. Unlike light controlled crossings drivers are not compelled to allow pedestrians to completely cross before moving off.
So he's not in the wrong.
But thanks for gloriously illustrating my point. As a reward I'd recommend a refresher of the Highway Code and if you want to push the boat out an advanced driving session 😉
Do you think you just scored some sort of point? Ok.
Yes. My point being that there is a sizeable number of people on here that think they are better drivers even than those that have taken further training. But in fact their knowledge is sadly lacking and they are too stubborn or proud to admit it, preferring to belittle or distort the opinions of others.
Now, would you say that's a safe attitude to take onto the roads? I wouldn't, just sounds like the other side of the same coin to me.
I'm no advanced motorist, and I know I'm nothing special as a driver. I just thought it was funny (and disappointing) that someone representing an organisation which promotes road craft and driver awareness didn't think about where the car was positioned when helping to launch a road safety campaign. You'd think his training would make him think more carefully about stuff like that. Of course, he could really be going next level and enacting a scenario where the car is moving off after slowing for a pedestrian, as suggested above,.. Does the IAM not have any guidance about passengers leaning out of open windows while the car is moving, though?
I think IAM is a bit of a sideshow when it comes to road safety, and we need to get people to take heed of the basic stuff first. Part of that should be lengthy removal of licences, where appropriate, to take people off the roads and deter other careless drivers.
Blimey this thread has brought some new Big Hitters out!
squirrelking pm me.
So from the picture he may well be moving off having previously given way to the pedestrian. Unlike light controlled crossings drivers are not compelled to allow pedestrians to completely cross before moving off.So he’s not in the wrong.
If he's moving off then he's overtaking the clearly stationary (foot on the ground) cyclist.
Rule 165:
You MUST NOT overtake-if you would have to cross or straddle double white lines with a solid line nearest to you (but see Rule 129)
-if you would have to enter an area designed to divide traffic, if it is surrounded by a solid white line
-the nearest vehicle to a pedestrian crossing, especially when it has stopped to let pedestrians cross
Yes. My point being that there is a sizeable number of people on here that think they are better drivers even than those that have taken further training. But in fact their knowledge is sadly lacking and they are too stubborn or proud to admit it, preferring to belittle or distort the opinions of others.
Quite.
I just thought it was funny (and disappointing) that someone representing an organisation which promotes road craft and driver awareness didn’t think about where the car was positioned when helping to launch a road safety campaign.
or the car was properly stopped but the photographer wanted him to move into the frame a bit more, as he didn't want to move because he wanted to remain in line with the center of the crossing?
If the car had been behind, or inline with the line, the cyclist would have blocked the passenger and driver from view...
That image is from the legendary Niceway Code. When it comes to flaws in the messaging of that campaign, you’re arguing over one piece of hay in a very large stack.
That image is from the legendary Niceway Code. When it comes to flaws in the messaging of that campaign, you’re arguing over one piece of hay in a very large stack.
Yes, I concede this is a very minor flaw in the dogs breakfast that was the Nice Way Code.
Ha! I had that coming.
But it just proves my point, none of us are above learning so why rubbish it?
Al - I don't know what to say...
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So to round off this thread about the sentencing of someone who killed a person with their car, you chaps have been arguing about the rights and wrongs of an obviously posed, publicity still. Awesome.
Not all of us have big willies Dez 🙂
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Just spotted this thread.
All other things aside, a 71-year old has just killed someone through their driving incompetence. I have to question the wisdom in then revoking their licence for a year so they get completely out of practice at day-to-day driving and then just handing them their licence back without further training or testing. Isn't that, like, an utterly insane thing to be doing?
Yup.
I'd apply that to anybody to be honest.
Cougar, you've missed the point completely - a 71-year old has just killed someone through your complacency
Sort that attitude out
I would but I can't be bothered.
