[Closed] Lance fessed up to Oprah

I'm gonna really struggle to watch Dodgeball now 🙁

If LA is going nuclear and naming names of senior people in the sport should he get mitigation from a life ban?

It seems lawyers are queuing up for clients wanting their cash back and wriggle room is decreasing BUT

For all LA's faults he possesses a tacticians brain and without a shadow of doubt he has his goals and several paths to get there. This process has only just started and in his bid to re invent himself he will sell whoever he needs to own the river and over the falls with a rock tied around their neck.

The publicised wish to return to competitive sport could be a feint and a classic mis direction. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy and ego tried to run for public office. Bill ( I didn't have sexual relations but my joy juice was on an interns dress) Clinton who lied got away without being impeached and has a popularity rating which is higher than ever.

Stranger things have happened and to write Lance off would be to under estimate the determination and tactical nature of the man.

^^^^^^^

I think that's what I was saying, but not so eloquently 🙂

International Richard -
He should have gone into politics, that way he could continue his deception and never be caught

On the first part (going into politics), it's only going to be a matter of time. This interview is all just part of the long game. He is [i]far[/i] from over / finished.

It'll be [i]interesting[/i] to see who's getting named from the UCI if he's taking it there ...

One has been caught retrospectively

After failing to buy off the right people this time

International Richard - Member

So it's everyone's fault then as you keep trying to point out. That's utter bull crap. One person made that decision to inject drugs that was mr Armstrong, not Oakley or Trek

It's entirely his fault he doped (though, obviously has to be seen as part of the bigger picture). But it's not his fault pro road cycling's a joke.

Al Jazeera. Got a lot of love guys for you 'Lance Armstrong..did he admit/make an admission'?

Rather than the headline 'HE CONFESSES' like everyone else

Hes going to use the vunerable time recovered from xancer when took drugs angle. I bet.

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Northwind - Member

But it's not his fault pro road cycling's a joke.

Given the level of collusion between him and the UCI, and the way e forced others into doping, it's more his fault than most,

And nobody forced him into suing people on false pretenses

Northwind - Member
But it's not his fault pro road cycling's a joke.

You may not think he's made it a joke but everyone I speak to thinks it and its joe publics perception that counts. Not the well informed cycling fan as they are in the tiniest minority

honourablegeorge - Member

Given the level of collusion between him and the UCI, and the way e forced others into doping, it's more his fault than most,

That's right- the UCI collude with riders they're supposed to be regulating, and that's mostly the riders' fault.

I also like that Armstrong made the decision to dope himself and only he can be blamed for that, but it's OK for other people to blame Armstrong- the big bad boy made me!

International Richard - Member

You may not think he's made it a joke but everyone I speak to thinks it and its joe publics perception that counts.

Nope, it's the truth that counts. When Joe Public thought he was a real hero, was he? When Joe Public neither knew or cared whether cycling was dirty, did it not matter?

If the most important member of a team is basically telling others that to ride at the level they want to ride at, they have to dope, then yes, it is okay to pin additional blame to him. But you know that already, I don't know why I'm biting.

I know I've already said this but - I give up, you win

Who cares. When $ calls it takes them all.

Next will be British Cycling amazing story.

ormondroyd - Member

If the most important member of a team is basically telling others that to ride at the level they want to ride at, they have to dope, then yes, it is okay to pin additional blame to him.

Do you think there was any team of the time where riders weren't being told that to ride at the level they wanted to, they'd have to dope? Or that Armstrong didn't face the same thing as an up and coming rider? (or, that it never happened before or after him?) It's the reality of a dirty game. It doesn't excuse any of them.

I'm not saying it does. But I'm saying that those applying the pressure are guilty of something worse than those giving into it. That's a perfectly normal legal/moral position

(i.e. "They were all at it" is too simplistic a viewpoint when some of them were coercing the others, with threats of demotion/loss of livelihood/never making it at all)

Yup- but everyone who doped is guilty of that to some extent. And frankly, if Armstrong said to teammates "You'll need to dope to ride at the top level", was he lying?

I think he deserves particular opprobrium for being a raging [i]cock[/i], but the doping he did was industry standard, and if he hadn't doped some other cheat would have won those TDFs instead.

I also like that Armstrong made the decision to dope himself and only he can be blamed for that, but it's OK for other people to blame Armstrong- the big bad boy made me

You are taking an extreme view point here

what you need to consider is whether LA as leader of the team - I mean what manager does not set an ethos for their organisation and cascade it down?- set the tone for the team , the morals, the way of preparation, the training and the regime. he was the boss and he had more influence than other riders. Would they all have doped for LA we will never know but his actions made them more likely to dope but it was never inevitable.

Its not hard to see this is tbh

Wish him the worst by all means but don't disguise it as faux outrage at his doping.

I don't. It's outrage at all the other stuff he did in an attempt to cover his tracks - such as sue newspapers, attempt to end other people's careers, make slanderous allegations etc. Things Millar never did, which is a point you seem unable to comprehend.

Junkyard - Big Hitter

Would they all have doped for LA we will never know but his actions made them more likely to dope but it was never inevitable.

But this is exactly the point I'm making- if you look at it in isolation, it makes Lance a bad guy. When you look at the other teams, and the climate [i]he[/i] grew in, and the fact that this was institutionalised, it's not so simple.

If he was an exception, then things would be different. Who believes that?

Northwind +1.

However he shouldn't be rehabilitated but cast out.

Do you think there was any team of the time where riders weren't being told that to ride at the level they wanted to, they'd have to dope?

Yes. Given the often stated fact about the number of samples which tested positive when retested later I think it's quite clear that very few members of the peleton were doping (at least at some points in LA's career).

If he was an exception, then things would be different. Who believes that?

See above. It's strange, because it's far from the first time this point has been mentioned, yet all the LA apologists seem to keep ignoring it.

I think the answer has to be a cotic soul.

aracer - Member

yet all the LA apologists seem to keep ignoring it.

Hang on... Are you saying you think I'm an Armstrong apologist?

Are you saying you think I'm an Armstrong apologist?

What does saying things like "the doping he did was industry standard, and if he hadn't doped some other cheat would have won those TDFs instead" make you? I can't see a lot of difference between that and "they all did it, it was a level playing field, Lance beat all the other cheaters so he was still the best", which is the classic LA apologist script.

No hes a realist.

There are ALOT of doping in cycling. Alot.

Contador 'a friend bought beef and forgot where' got a wrist slap.

No forgiveness. Disapear/ban them. No 'redemption'. Show our children the true way. Clean.

apologist -
defender, spokesman, champion, arguer, maintainer, supporter, advocate, pleader, vindicator, justifier.

Will Hein Verbruggen finally come under the spotlight then? And then the other dodgy IOC-blazer-types?

But it probably will never reach UEFA/FIFA....

I don't understand that at all tbh. Criticising the sport as a whole doesn't make him less guilty. If that argument holds, then to condemn Lance is to be an apologist for the sport 😉 But the sad reality is, he was far from the only doper. Want to play the "who would have won Lance's tours" game?

The two aren't exclusive. My "extreme" position is that he's guilty and so are lots of other people- and that to forget about them because hey, it's alright, we got Armstrong and he was THE cheat, would be wrong. The job's not done yet.

People shouldn't be able to hide behind the big bad Armstrong, any more than he can hide behind the truth that the sport was dirty. And going after one shouldn't stop them going after them all.

It's not just about lance, what about his whole team, the lot should suffer.

No hes a realist.

There are ALOT of doping in cycling. Alot.

Contador 'a friend bought beef and forgot where' got a wrist slap.

No forgiveness. Disapear/ban them. No 'redemption'. Show our children the true way. Clean.

Sorry you are still hurting like this...I once believed the LA dream too

The job's not done yet.

Yes. Given the often stated fact about the number of samples which tested positive when retested later I think it's quite clear that very few members of the peleton were doping (at least at some points in LA's career).

But isn't the ashenden work looking at those who were using synthetic EPO during the tour as opposed to 'preparation' before it - the alleged positive B samples all suggest routine microdosing during the tour itself rather than use in training in conjunction with other products, Isn't it a little bit more likely that Lance was simply cheating more blatantly than others perhaps due to pressure of coming back to the tour.

Not to defend armstrong, just to note that its far too easy to portray him as some doping monster ruining the race for everyone else when there were plenty of other dopers operating in the peloton during that period many of whom may have 'prepared' but ensured they were not 'hot' during the race itself.

Junkyard - Big Hitter

but we have cut the head off the snake.[ not that i disagre with the gist of that post]

Not sure I agree with head of the snake, not so simple. But front of the line, yes, and a very good place to start. Bit late, mind.

I'm hoping for a Samson smash - bring the effing lot down and start again...

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At least they didn't get a jimmy Saville tattoo....

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Who is the tattoo of. 😀
I cant believe people here are defending armstrong.
Yes, others doped, but how would you feel if someone pressured your children into taking drugs?
Have you forgotten he's a DRUG DEALER.... he didn't just cheat, he forced others too, and ruined them if they didn't.

[Who is the tattoo of]

Gollum?