Regards of his racing/doping history, this is a terrible way for someone to implode. Clearly some demons on his shoulders.
Hope he gets whatever help he needs here.
I always liked Jan, he seemed kinda normal.
Loved beer, meat on sticks and his mates.
This is a sad interlude.
It’s always a sad time to see a persons life unravel. As above I just hope some help is available. Ignore the doping he’s still a person in need
Sad indeed 🙁
Another victim of pro cycling. Hope he can sort himself out rather than go the way of Pantani, Jimenez etc
This is yet another reason why the line that doping doesn't matter because they're all doing it is BS.
Sad - shades of Pantani there. Hope the girl's ok.
"Attempted Manslaughter"? Must be something lost in translation there. How does one attempt to inadvertently kill someone?
Another victim of pro cycling. Hope he can sort himself out rather than go the way of Pantani, Jimenez etc
This is yet another reason why the line that doping doesn’t matter because they’re all doing it is
WTF, that is one of the most stupid things I have read on here, there is no suggestion that cycling or doping are the cause, he attacked his neighbour last week and his stated excuse was his divorce, this week he attacked a prostitute.
Maybe a little sympathy is due to his victim's?
MSP, I agree, but some folks just make things fit in with their theories or agendas. Sad times, all the best to him, and all around him.
surprised no ones blaming Lance.....
WTF, that is one of the most stupid things I have read on here, there is no suggestion that cycling or doping are the cause, he attacked his neighbour last week and his stated excuse was his divorce, this week he attacked a prostitute.
Well either its not stupid because it's just human nature to try and work stuff out. His actions aren't "normal", what else isn't normal, he's a former pro cyclist. People like to extrapolate conclusions from limited data. Its not " stupid"
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">That and a career of taking testosterone and steroids might just possibly be a contributing factor.</span>
I blame Brexit.
Sad times, totally agree on “attempted manslaughter”, that makes no sense at all!
If a certain cheat hadn't robbed this other cheat of numerous tdf wins, he'd probably be a much loved German sports celeb with a loving family and the adoration of a nation, rather than a has been, one time tdf winning prostitute basher..
So yeah.. I do blame Lance..
Yes, but Ullrich won first, so Lance was only cheating because he knew Ullrich was cheating and it was only fair to even the playing field... so I blame Jan. (Actually, I blame Tom Simpson, but nobody remembers who he was, so Jan Ullrich will have to do instead.)
Atempted Manslaughter: you lose your temper and in the heat of the moment attempt to kill somebody, but they survive your attack.
IANAL but that makes sense to me. It’s not pre-meditated but you still tried to kill them, or at least acted in a way that put their life at risk.
That would be attempted murder . Manslaughter is when you don't mean to kill somebody but you do .
Not necessarily exactly the same in other countries,
Fair enough, I though murder had to be pre-meditated. If you attack somebody in the heat of the moment it wouldn't be murder if you killed them so not sure why it's attempted murder if you fail. But as greyspoke says it's probably one of those crimes that is on the books in some countries but not in others.
a career of taking testosterone and steroids might just possibly be a contributing factor
Only if he was still using them (which I would imagine he hasn't;t for a long, long time). Taking steroids 15 years ago don't still have an effect today....
A good read, http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/jan-ullrich-and-the-long-road-home/
Especially, I feel, the bit about Virenque being fêted, being a part of it all, and yet others (who are equally, or sometimes less, guilty) are vilified.
Bloody sad. Wish him the best.
They might both have been high as kites but it gave good race...
WTF, that is one of the most stupid things I have read on here, there is no suggestion that cycling or doping are the cause
That is not at all stupid. All the chemicals from doping are messing up with your neurotransmitters, causing physical damage to the brain, with lasting consequences that might kick back after years or under certain stressful conditions.
Not unheard of, especially in fight sports world.
Cheers!
I.
Do you have a reference for that?
I kind of took an interest in the doping regimes and effects after a few of the busts. Read a reasonable amount about it. One thing that became apparent was that there is a lot of "reefer madness" type propaganda about doping and its effects, and this has now become commonly repeated without any research or science to back it up.
From the original link
he had resisted arrest when officers arrived, and that Ullrich “was likely under the influence of alcohol and drugs."
Long term effects of doping are kinda moot when he's off his tits on booze and drugs.
I have sympathy for anyone in his or similar situation. No prospect of a pro career without doping, then lots of fame and adulation, then it all goes.
I'd struggle with that...is it any wonder some turn to booze/drugs afterwards?
Getting help once charged by the police, isn't that a bit like Harvey Weinstein being admitted to sex clinic only once the press have rumbled him? I know others will disagree but I am naturally suspicious of people who seek help for 'demons' only once they have been caught.
I have sympathy for anyone in his or similar situation. No prospect of a pro career without doping, then lots of fame and adulation, then it all goes.
I’d struggle with that…is it any wonder some turn to booze/drugs afterwards?
I feel the same. Ullrich also had a reputation for being a bing eater in the off season so maybe he was always going to be predisposed to find it hard without the cycling to keep him level.
Getting help once charged by the police, isn’t that a bit like Harvey Weinstein being admitted to sex clinic only once the press have rumbled him? I know others will disagree but I am naturally suspicious of people who seek help for ‘demons’ only once they have been caught.
I feel differently. I would say the person most people would be working hardest to keep the true extend of their situation from would be themselves. It can take a proper wake up call, like finding yourself in a police cell, to take stock of where you are and that you are not in control.
Weinstein and Ullrich are worlds apart from what I can see.
I am greatly saddened by these turn of events.
jan’s annual fight to loose the weight and ride himself in contention was what made him my favourite doper (also his lack of desire to seek retribution for his being kicked out pro cycling and his somewhat enigmatic responses when quizzes on the LA era ‘situation’).
his resorting to sex workers (and subsequent abuse of) lessens my sympathy however.
(thanks for the cyclingnews ‘link’ flashy, mebbe make it actually linked next time though, eh? 🤪 )