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And if so what is it, other than "heels down"?
Or are there different approaches, like you have the British and US styles of rowing.
Or is there no universally understood "school" of mtbing, reflecting the more anarchic origins of our sport?
I think Bode Miller might disagree with there being a "proper" skiing technique!
IMO, whilst there are bad ways of getting through a section on a bike, you only have to watch the varying techniques of the top DHers to see that style is quite an individual thing when getting it "right"
In a word, yes.
But you're being incredibly vague. What do you mean by "universal technique" ? Technique for what, DH, XC racing ? Climbing, descending and cornering all have their own technique.
Or are you extracting the michael ?
Apparently, it's heels and wrists down, look ahead (NOT UP!) at where you're going, not at the ground right in front of you. It's very similar to motorcycling I think 🙂
My time honored techinique is simply "try not to fall off".
It's served me well.
As long as you are in the attack position you should be ok.
[i]"try not to fall off".
It's served me well. [/i]
I use the 'keep an eye out for somewhere safe to land when I fall off' approach, I'm hoping to progress to 'not falling off' by 2020.
Mastering Mountain Bike Skills by Brian Lopes, is worth looking at.
Keep the rubber at the bottom. 20 years later, so far, so good.
As long as you are in the attack position you should be ok.
**Giggles childishly**
PeterPoddy - Member
Apparently, it's heels and wrists down, look ahead (NOT UP!) at where you're going, not at the ground right in front of you. It's very similar to motorcycling I think
I don't ride either wrists or heels down.. there is no correct way
Search for Jedi on the forum
IMHO worth every penny of a 1-2-1 coaching day
EDIT: http://www.ukbikeskills.co.uk/
I don't ride either wrists or heels down..
Neither did I until the weekend. You should try it.
'Correct' is up for debate, but there's definately 'better' 🙂
Ride how you want to ride... what works for one, might not work for another.
You soon learn what doesn't work, as you fall off.
Perhaps you need a bit of coaching?
no I shouldn't.
But maybe you should try keeping the information you've paid to hear about [u]your[/u] riding technique to yourself instead of regurgetating it out of context to complete strangers on forums.
what works for one, might not work for another
Remember a lot of it is simply physics. So it's the same for everyone more or less. 🙂
no I shouldn't.But maybe you should try keeping the information you've paid to hear about your riding technique to yourself instead of regurgetating it out of context to complete strangers on forums.
Chill out dude, you did ask in the first place, than get annoyed when you get an answer you don't want to hear! If you don't wanna learn, then don't ask the question. 🙂
Go see Jedi, he'll explain it for you far better than I can. 🙂
Yup if your not sure then seek some coaching. Great rock is another well worth looking at if you want to build confidence or learn to get rad.
There's probably no one right way but there's plenty of wrong ways so to say ride how you like isn't helpful.
Top tip don't listen to your mates once you have had a coaching day their riding style will scare the hell out of you
last trip to Wales for resulted in comments that made me smile
I dont think there is a proper technique. I dont do the wrists down or the heels down thing, unless its riding a section of rough/steep downhill where it can sometimes help stop your feet coming off the pedals.
I like to think that there are not so much hard rules, but rather lots of choices with riding techniques. It's good to have an understanding so that you have some choices. Also, better to know what you've done wrong than to not know what you're doing!
Do a skills day, pick up some ideas, put it into practice.
peter - Don't worry I am perfectly chilled and not annoyed in the slightest.
FWIW I never actually asked anything, you offered me advice I am simply asking you not to bother unless you know what you're talking about and can put it into context. I'd imagine you're still buzzing from your session with Tony, he's a great teacher and I can totally understand your enthusiasm after being with him for a days coaching but it doesn't automatically qualify you to dish out advice ot others. 😉
I'm a family / self taught skier from the age of 2 and a half. I ski more sat back than most but was regularly quicker than a member of the british ski team when we went on hol with him. I can ski anything pisted flat out and usually do a full week without falling and am never out of control. My techniques though is far from textbook and so probably is my bike riding technique but again I can get down most stuff at a reasonable speed without hurting myself!
I realise now that there is a physical game and a mind game and they are tightly coupled.
Even in skiing there are many many techniques to learn.
there is no correct way
Yeap exactly.
For example I ride elbows in, because i am build like a matchstick and I have no upper strength.
It work in all sports. There is the theoretical/scholar way to do it and then there is your way to do it. Adapted to your body and your style.
If you are not certain the latest fashion seems to get some coaching. From my experience not worth it unless you want to practice a very specific point at a rather high level.
I agree some technique might be subjective, but there are certain things - retaining traction in corners, particularly - where good technique must surely be exactly analogous to skiing and can be taught in a prescribed way. e.g. switching your forward foot feels exactly like linking turns.
who teaches the skills day teachers?
jhw - pretty much none of the fastest mountainbikers on the planet (IMO WC DHers) switch their feet for opposite turns.
but it doesn't automatically qualify you to dish out advice ot others.
I'm trying to have a friendly conversation and made a suggestion, is all. You think I'm wrong? Fine. But why not try it first before you judge eh?
Yes, I'm still buzzin' and why not? I'd have never have booked a day with Jedi off my own back, my attutude was roughly what yours is right now (Indifferent/defensive/naive) but I got it as a 40th pressie and went in with an open mind, ready to learn. And some of it it truly eye opening. 🙂
Jedi skills days are indeed an eye opener 🙂 Since ignoring the "attack position" and "hang off the back" advice and doing it properly, my riding feels a lot more controlled.
e.g. switching your forward foot feels exactly like linking turns.
Oustide foot should be DOWN, inside UP.... not forward and back. That really does work 🙂 (apparently.....)
Peter - I'm genuinely happy that you got so much out of your day with tony, believe me but with the greatest respect you don't know me or my attitude or what I have or haven't already tried so please don't suggest I am indifferent, defensive or naive as when it comes to riding technique or skills training I am none of these.
GW, you just have been, in that very sentence.
Anyway, if you don't wanna learn, that's up to you. [s]I can't be bothered with this thread any more.
Bye, have fun y'all. :)[/s]
EDIT, crossed posts
I see you're perfect and don't need to learn and would rather pick out odd words in my sentences in an effort to appear better. What context would you like me to put foreward for you to argue with next?
there you go again. there is no "Should" unless it is in context, many turns can be quicker without dropping the outside foot. hopefully you're not so Indifferent/defensive/naive you can see what i'm getting at here? 😉Oustide foot should be DOWN, inside UP.... not forward and back. That really does work
PeterPoddy - Member
GW, you just have been, in that very sentence.
have been what? 😕
There are some good principals of proper technique but they do vary, often due to body shape and strength or the rider's background. Different riders have different styles. I was discussing this exact thing the other day with a bunch of mates - one was telling me that the 'Sam Hill' 'new school' of knees apart, elbows stuck right out was the only correct way of riding. I tend to ride with my knees in Gracia style (I wish!). Your technique for cornering, jumping, steeps etc will vary depending on whether you are a 'Hill' or a 'Gracia', neither is correct, they both have their place but after 20+ years of riding I'm not about to try and relearn everything.
I think a lot of the talk is misunderstood, or taken the wrong way. All the CTC network instructors use a similar system to base their training on, and this might well be different to other coaches' techniques. What our (CTC-based) method does give any rider is a method that is easy to understand and build on, and it works for all levels of experience from pure novice to high-level competitor.
It is as much a way of thinking about things as anything, although some physical specifics are obvious, such as heels down, head up. No-one is judging anyone that doesn't ride like that, it's just that we know by experience that the way we do it is good for a lot of people more of the time.
have been what?
Defensive, at the very least.
it's odd how you can nitpick with odd words I type, but not understand the meaning of something so obvious, too...... 🙂
[b]PeterPoddy[/b] Oustide foot should be DOWN, inside UP.... not forward and back. That really does work (apparently.....)
Some berms I go round allow me to keep my pedals horizontal, so as always, depends on the terrain.
[b]leggyblonde[/b] who teaches the skills day teachers?
They use their [i]own[/i] experience to teach others. What one 'teacher' may consider correct, another may not.
Having said that, I wonder how Jedi / Great Rock / etc, would cope if they were being the 'students'.
Oustide foot should be DOWN, inside UP.... not forward and back
PP, try riding a tight corner/switchback with outside FORWARD on approach before putting it DOWN for the apex. You don't have to do this, but it helps... a lot!
Some berms I go round allow me to keep my pedals horizontal, so as always, depends on the terrain
It's not to do with the terrain as such (For pedal/ground clearance) but about finding more grip to go faster. Motorcycle racers do a similar thing by weighting the outside peg, it's a well proven 2-wheeled technique. But it does feel very foreign and odd when you first try it, I'll give you that. 🙂
PP - if you're referring to road bike racers, they don't have a berm to support them going round. So they must keep the wait on the outside, so their tyres give the best grip.
But you can also load up the tyres and drop your CofG without dropping your foot...
Some corners you can just ride round without switching your feet about all over the place.
You can still weight the pedals without switching your feet