[Closed] is it just me or is...

ok untill it chops your fingers off when adjusting the shock

bikes that can crash on rocks at high speeds should not be made from plastic

go for the aluminium one then 🙂

I'm having difficulty figuring out how that linkage would work.

dohhh im confused now cheers smee 🙁

bikes that can crash on rocks at high speeds should not be made from plastic

Anything that's going to break CF is sure as sh1t going to destroy an aluminium frame as well guv'ner 🙄

Carbon fibre is well proven nowadays, can't believe people still trot out this line every time it's mentioned in an AM type bike!

PS I like the first colour scheme the most... black and red = deadly

just like my s-works enduro 8)

Blimey!
That linkage looks a bit 'busy'.

stick to steel may feel like riding gurders but atleast you feel safe 🙂

How does the linkage work? I am really struggling to figure this one out.

carbon fibre can takea hit and not show it on the outside, but be damaged on the inside.

im feked 😯

Personally I just want the red rims

right think i figures it the swing arm goes up pushes the far pivot forward which pushes the shock down?

Take the second chamber off the shock and I can figure out a reasonable idea, but not with that shock. First bump and it looks like it'd be toast.

Bottom shock pivot moves forward with the swingarm, still looks close but obviously doesnt hit (or they wouldnt sell it lol)

Two words - mud clearance.

What's mud clearance got to do with that? My shock is in that location and never sees a jot of mud?

smee - the shock is on a rocker too

as the wheel moves up, the bottom mount will push forwards so maybe the top of the shock tucks in & misses the "swingarm" crosslink 😯
(actually looks just a little bit as though it's a really slim crosspiece on that link too)

OK, I've worked out the linkage but I'm struggling with a bottle cage.....

nine words - stupid pointless ugly linkage adding weight and no benefit.

OK, I've worked out the linkage but I'm struggling with a bottle cage.....

theres always one.... 😀

looks pants

1 more word - migraine!

I like anything that has mechanical linkages, the more and the more pointless the better. Until I have to maintain it.

Maybe not mud clearance, but plenty of places for it to get tucked in for a ride !

At leats there's a bit on an art to working with metals - CF just slopped in a mold by some non-skilled worker - nah, not for me.

The back end is supposed to flex more than an olympic gymnast.

i'd hate to have to clean it. keep things simple i reckon

is it me, or is it just a single pivot, with about a dozen extra bushings?

too many bits in that linkage, does it really make that much difference than having one end of the shock bolted on the swingarm and the other on the main frame? I know it will make "some" difference but that just looks overly complex which shouldn't be confused with improvement.

At leats there's a bit on an art to working with metals - CF just slopped in a mold by some non-skilled worker - nah, not for me.

Hardly, in fact possibly the contrary - correctly creating carbon layups, even prepreg, is a work of art and easy to get quite wrong, metalwork is pretty easy, especially in the current days of CNC and robot welding, pretty much everything can be done by computer. Having tried both I can tell you which one is faster, easier and involved less luck* for me.

*luck reads as skill that I don't have but sometimes you can get right by accident 🙂

The complex linkage design will simply give a variable shock rate instead of linear or ramping. ITs still a single pivot. I always think it would be easier and a LOT cheaper to get variable damping and spring rate by embedded electronic control rather than complex linkages.

A friend of mine, who works in a bike shop, told me that alot of the ones they have sold have cracked and been returned.

is there any real benefit for doing a carbon frame other than it looking a bit swish?

i cant imagine that they are significantly stronger / stiffer / lighter than an alu one

[i]is it me, or is it just a single pivot, with about a dozen extra bushings? [/i]

Pretty much, it's just a linkage driven single pivot. Not massively complex.

Carbon's fine.

Its just a competition to see who can create the most complex frame shapes and linkages with carbon. No real point I reckon. Just train more.

I think coffeeking has a point about the electronics - this must be the future (and possibly homebrew shock circuitry!!)

absolute horrible!

Like a motor bike without an engine.

steel hardtail every time!

They look a bit tarty. I prefer the understated,stealth look.

under forked?

nahhhh.... gone of them now want one of thease [img] [/img]

😀

Those 'dales are hideous.