Isn't it just a pro xc thing.
https://www.redbull.com/ph-en/nino-schurter-bike-check
If you look at this nino has his seat pushed forward and a drop on his stem to get the front end lower.
MvdP has a similar setup and he's quite tall
To be honest, I’ve always thought that if Emily Batty was my daughter how immensely proud of her I would be.
That’s the way us old guys think, I suppose...
She needs 650b wheels, a dropper, and black tyres.
Well said rollindoughnut
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-it-just-me-or-emily-batty-canyon-content/page/2/#post-11725925
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Wow, this turned in a direction I wasn’t expecting. My OP was about Canyon’s weird sizing calculator not about Emily Batty’s make up regime
Dont think there was anything wrong with your post. It just happened to mention an attractive successful woman, which seems to be a magnet for the worst kind of knuckle dragger.
Dont think there was anything wrong with your post
It was made with the intention of being a dig
Modern Geo has zero equivalance to height
Wow, this turned in a direction I wasn’t expecting. My OP was about Canyon’s weird sizing calculator not about Emily Batty’s make up regime
I mean, although your question was likely 100% genuine I guess maybe reflect on why you asked the question, it could have tinges on sexism / mansplaining? Have you ever looked at Danny Hart and Troy Brosnan and thought they don't know what they are doing and are on the wrong size bike.
It's the big wheels. Watch it again and picture it with 27.5 or 'gulp' 26".
Why her make up regime or character traits get discussed on here is odd. She's clearly a talented, dedicated athlete who knows how to give back to the sport.
I guess maybe reflect on why you asked the question, it could have tinges on sexism / mansplaining?
As read above, some men are the same height as the same height women, and Canyon's size guide is for both sexes, so not sure what you're on about 🤷♂️
I think the point above is if Danny Hart had an odd looking size bike, a lot of blokes would be like ‘I’ve been doing it wrong all along’, rather than ‘these girls...(eye roll)’.
Not saying that’s the nature of your post RD.
Some lovely stuff in the this thread, apart from the Simon's stalker special, I think the post complaining of offensive comments and then using the word "retarded" in the next sentence is my favourite.
As read above, some men are the same height as the same height women, and Canyon’s size guide is for both sexes, so not sure what you’re on about 🤷♂️
First let me prefix this with im not saying you're sexist or mansplaining. But, you as a male are questioning the size of bike Emily Batty is riding quote "Bike looks far too big for her." Have you ever questioned the size of bike Danny or Troy ride - or felt the need to make a post about it despite Danny getting a new bike sponsor a few days ago and if not why? It could be construed as sexism or men know best.
Basically do you think gender roles / preconceptions have lead you to question her judgment. Shes a professional athlete she's surly done her homework and tested multiple bikes and sizes. Personally it wouldn't even enter my head to question it.
I'll be honest, didn't know much about her until I happened to watch the Iceland bikepacking video, but she came across well in that slightly "We both know I'm a sponsored athlete but anyway..." manner those videos sometimes have.
So what if her seating position looks a bit weird, I wouldn't have thought she'd take a sponsorship deal on something she couldn't ride and perform well on - I'd probably struggle on Chris Froome's set up.
So what if she wears make up, her life, her choice, really not for me to judge
jkomo
I think the point above is if Danny Hart had an odd looking size bike, a lot of blokes would be like ‘I’ve been doing it wrong all along’,
Which is fair enough, but the OP's point(made in jest, I thought) was more about Canyon, who are well known for having rather ropey size guides.
Joepud
I see were your coming from. In my previous post I said something similar about it being unlikely that her and her Team don't know what bike she should ride or how to set it up for her
But there is another factor here. The male athletes you mention, as far as I know, have bodies that fall with on the size range catered by bike manufactures.
But it's not sexist to enquire why Canyon don't appear to make race bike of a suitable size for one of their team. The world is full of stuff used by women but designed for men and it's seems reasonable to call that out
In summary
Not reasonable
Why is that women riding the wrong size bike?
Reasonable
Why is that athletes team unable to supply equipment on the size that they need?
I'll be honest and say I'm not she where the balance lies here
But it’s not sexist to enquire why Canyon don’t appear to make race bike of a suitable size for one of their team. The world is full of stuff used by women but designed for men and it’s seems reasonable to call that out
IIRC the very same conversation was had, on this forum, when she was signed with and she started riding their 29er - that the bike looked way to big for her and that was because of the wheel size. I don't recall anyone agonising over whether or not that was sexist, more that she seemed to be being forced onto something inappropriate for reasons of marketing.
some here https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pro-xc-tweaks/page/6/
Have you ever questioned the size of bike Danny or Troy ride – or felt the need to make a post about it despite Danny getting a new bike sponsor a few days ago and if not why?
No because their bikes don't look too big for them and weren't supplied by Canyon 🤷♂️
Which is fair enough, but the OP’s point(made in jest, I thought) was more about Canyon, who are well known for having rather ropey size guides.
Correct
No because their bikes don’t look too big for them and weren’t supplied by Canyon 🤷♂️
erm... you do realise who Troy rides for right... heres a clue hes on the same team as Emily Batty. But anyway all I was trying to do what offer up a suggestion as to why this thread took a direction you wasn't expecting.
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If you look at this nino has his seat pushed forward and a drop on his stem to get the front end lower.
Nino has been know to run a -25' stem combined with a -5' drop in his handlebars.
The Canyon looks alright to me, and seems to work for her based on the video in the OP (and the fact as a pro she wouldn’t likely ride anything which will knowingly make her slower).
Lots of riders (pro and amateur alike) can end up with slightly odd looking bikes (we are all individually proportioned after all), but the key for me is what it looks like when the rider is on it. I also don’t really care how much makeup the rider is wearing, again she wouldn’t likely wear it if if meant she wasn’t at the pointy end of races- something many of us can only dream of. Maybe a bit of lip gloss would add 20watts to my FTP...
Disclaimer- I did bike fits for a living for nearly 5 years, and didn’t have any complaints that I can remember, had a couple of pros come in for advice in that time as well. Also I’m not sure any XC race mtb will ever look pretty, it’s a tool for a job at the end of the day. See also TDF bikes etc. If you want a pretty bike, then get a skinny tubed steel one built in a perfectly proportioned medium size, with a saddle height and stem length that might fit one in a million riders!
I had a play on canyons sizing tool last night. It started by saying at 170cm with a72cm inseam I was a freak and didn’t fit any of their frames. It then decided I should get a size small😁😁😁😁😁
as a pro she wouldn’t likely ride anything which will knowingly make her slower
Can we really be sure of that? Sure, she is paid by Canyon to represent them, and it's obviously better for them if she is winning, but if she got a better (higher paid) deal from them than someone who had a better fitting bike then she'd have to make a decision about which offer to take up. I guess it might also depend on how large a proportion of her total income comes from rewards for results and how much through Canyon. XC riders obviously aren't rewarded at the mega scale of F1, footballers etc but these criteria all play a part.
@scotroutes I put ‘likely’ in there as we obviously don’t know how her income is divided, really I’m just assuming someone competitive enough to get to the top of the sport wouldn’t knowingly make a call to ride a slower bike.
Another assumption would be the win bonuses and deals that would come with results would far outweigh what any other sponsor would pay as a ‘base salary’.
Absolutely. Sponsorship deals must be worth more as a champion.
you do realise who Troy rides for right
I guess not, I don't know who he is either 😀 is he the same height as Emily?
Can’t believe the strong opinions people have on whether other people, who they don’t know, decide to wear make up or not.
I guess not, I don’t know who he is either 😀 is he the same height as Emily?
few inches in it according to google ones like 5ft 4" the other like 5ft 2."
Can’t believe the strong opinions people have on whether other people, who they don’t know, decide to wear make up or not.
I know dude, then when the question of sexism comes up people seem to have no clue why its been mentioned.
Absolutely. Sponsorship deals must be worth more as a champion
Sure, that would be the best case scenario, but there are plenty of riders on brands that have zero expectation of them getting podium results. Brendog for example.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Emily had negotiated her contract based on brand exposure over race results and that's probably a better guaranteed income for her...but we'll probably never know. I assume she's figured out how to leverage her position in the industry .
If she wasn't able to realise her full potential with Trek, I don't really see a significant improvement in race results moving forwards. However she's pretty awesome and there must be plenty of people like me who'll cheer her along regardless of who she's riding for or where she finishes in the hope that it clicks for her again.
As I said, the bike looks big but doesn’t seem to slow her down which is the only thing that matters. She deserves better than some of the comments on here.
Modern bike geometry will look odd on anyone if you're used to 25yrs of short and steep. Even XC bikes are pretty and slack compared to only a few years ago. But then there's the packaging issue that comes with fitting 29er wheels in a bike small enough for someone only a shade over 5ft tall to ride. It's gonna look a bit odd, same as an XXL sized 26" wheeled bike did.
As for Canyon's sizing tool... My experience is it almost always recommends a bike too small for the customer, in a traditional European "fit a longer stem if it's too small" kind of way...
The comments about her looks, and the makeup, and the image though... Seriously?!?! 🤦🏻
This is Emily Batty's Facebook profile pic right now...
Doesn't strike me as the kind of person who is overly worried what a bunch of balding IT geeks in the UK think about how she looks to be fair! The fact she wears heels and dresses and a fair bit of makeup sometimes...? So what. Just because she competes in a very rugged outdoor sport, it doesn't dictate that she should wear baggy jeans, a hoody and a hat to hide her unkempt hair all the time! 🤷🏻♂️
Agree with all of the above- this is a bit of an STW low point.
In related news, time to ban the Toyah/Fripp thread? It seems to have a lot of comments about a woman's nipples. Is this who 'we' are now?
Now? you must be new here 😂
spot on cody.
Seeing as a lot on here are saying 27.5 is dead already and all the competition is on 29ers in xc I guess she's stuck with 29 if she wants to be in with a chance of a podium place.
Lots of ‘mansplaining’ on this thread. As a woman, she doesn’t need us men trying to define what she should be as a woman. She’s doesn’t exist to get our approval of her aesthetic, or her mental state.
On the other hand, the bike looks massive.
Good video that is
This thread reminds me of the guy who tried to tell Emma Pooley that she'd go faster if she put her saddle up.
Bike looks fine to me. She clearly wants the saddle forward like that. If she were struggling to get the bike to fit she wouldn't have that long of a stem would she? What XC pros do for bike setup is quite different to what casual MTBers do.
Also, the suggestion that a large successful bike brand doesn't know how to design bikes, but an internet forum does, is a bit odd.
Lets be honest here, she gets paid to ride bikes and does that immensely well. She also happens to be a pretty lady, who likes to put make-up on, is that really an issue? If it is, you've got issues yourself.
As for bikes and as mentioned above, I'm damn sure she knows what she likes to ride, can nail the fit to give her the best chance of winning and more than likely doesn't give a hoot about what people think about it.
She's not "that" small for a lady at 5'3", her sponsors will provide her with anything she wants to make the bikes work.
In this photo, it looks absolutely fine to me, granted the frame isn't the most aesthetically pleasing, but XC bikes are all about going as fast as you can in as much comfort as needed to do so 😉
TL:DR
Very talented athlete of average height rides an expensive bike that some people don't like the look of. Some others don't like her appearance. Neither of those things stop her being a very talented athlete.
@rocketdog was right though, the Canyon size "help" is not always that helpful
from steve's photo:
grips and saddle about the same height, level saddle, flat bar with a very slightly negative step that due to head angle is about horizontal.
No toe overlap (remember when that was a thing) and looks like room for a 150 dropper should the course need it.
That top tube/head tube thing looks a bit odd but that isnt an issue with canyons XC bike rather than a size small or a Batty on the wrong size issue
XC races are won/lost on the climbs - unless you are Neff.
Also having your saddle far forward does mean it opens up your hip/leg angle, which means the change in velocity per stroke is much smaller - so you can rev higher for less effort. In other words its easier to put the power down.
