[Closed] Is Brant leaving Ragley etc?

Can we expect some cheep mega's then as everyone goes to buy a titus?

I need/want some cheap (free) Carnegie's.. will there be any toys/pram/throwing action..?

if so.. throw some toys my way please.. ta

Its my 1st choice mtb ... It ain' t pretty or light. But its superb to [i]ride.
Job welldone to Brant. [/i]

Ditto: Had my Blue Pig for a couple of years now. It cost me under £400 to build up using old parts etc all in, frame included. Never had an issue with it, totally reliable, strong and a blast to ride! For the money, extremely hard to fault.

I like Brant's bikes. I've had 2 inbreds and a blue pig and they've all been great.

His guerilla marketing is aweseome, a 5 page thread from ONE twitter post. Magnificent.

Never had an issue with it, totally reliable...

A totally reliable hardtail frame?

I'm sold. 😉

Brant donated a Blue Pig frame to us at Singletraction as a prize giveaway so he's not all bad..

To be fair to him he's donated 2 frames - Mk1 Blue Pig and Piglet 😉

As for the rest of this thread, mleh.

Followed this thread all the way through and I have nothing new to really add other than a bit of support for Brant.

I’d be totally gobsmacked if he has the final say on quality control at Ragley, Nukeproof etc and wouldn’t be surprised at all if the unwillingness to act from the people who actually are responsible form part of his decision to move on.

I have never owned a "Brant Bike" only his bars but I do own a Cotic and now a Titus and I value highly the ability to talk to the guys behind them directly on here if needed (how cool is that), as said there’s very few industries where you can do this - try talking directly to mr zanusi when your washing machine goes wrong and see how far you get

I like his designs - couldn’t say they are pretty but their function over form - and willing to stray away from the norm in pursuit of moving the bar forward

Brant put me off once on the descent at the htn winter sprinter with some trailside tomfoolery. As a result, I didn't win. This led to me not being picked up by a pro team and sponsored to travel the world, thus being extremely fit and rich. Because of that, I've not bought my house in the Californian hills where me and my blonde surf babe girlfriend would live being visited by various sports professionals and the cast of friends.

Ergo, it's directly Brant's fault that I'm not invited to David schwimmer's summer bbq this year.

Damn you Richards. Damn you to hell.

My two cents worth
I have met Brant a few times and he seems a good bloke , Very enthusiastic about bikes and stuff .
He did help me out with a MMbop frame when my pace broke and a nice bike it is too with some very good features for the british climate.

It must be strange to read all this when you are the subject of the discussion and be very tempted to jump in , So big up to Brant for resisting and I wish him good luck in his new venture.

Fast forward to 2008 and 10 years of a tumultuous journey, the pair were struggling to cope with the demands and growing pains of a rapidly expanding business with inadequate systems and processes.

Well in 2011 it was no different to me, I went there to spec up a 456 Carbon SS with a £1500 budget and after three follow up phone calls they never got back to me. Prior to that I bought some Elixir CR's and it took them 1.5hrs to process the order. I went back again to look at a 29er and again was subjected to utter dismal service, left standing for ages on my own whilst they all play pass the only lap top that works and in the end went off and bought a Niner Air 9.

I've gone through a 9 month £15K spell of buying bikes (and selling the ones I didn't get on with!) and On One could have easily took £3500 of that, if they had of bothered to remotely appear like they give a dump. If they focused on customer service as much as being up their own ar5e5 then they'd have a customer for life as I actually very much like their whole ethos and product range...

I ordered a 16T Groove Armada from Brant's shoddy shed based emporium once, and he sent me a 17T instead because that's all they had at the time. bastard.

As a result I am only 16/17 as fast on my SS as I could be and as a result have conspicuously failed to trouble the scorers* at races the length and breadth of the country.

* apart from several times when I've troubled them in the sense of 'I wish that slow fat bloke would hurry up and finish, so we can pack up and go home'

I've gone through a 9 month £15K spell of buying bikes (and selling the ones I didn't get on with!)

Holy shit.

Ergo, it's directly Brant's fault that I'm not invited to David schwimmer's summer bbq this year.

Don't panic. It was shit. Although at 2am Meatloaf and Peter Andre did a 'two girls, one cup' parody that would've blown your mind...

Don't panic. It was shit. Although at 2am Meatloaf and Peter Andre did a 'two girls, one cup' parody that would've blown your mind

Yeah that was good, although the cup was ovalised before they started..

Yeah, and Keith Chegwin went off 'on one' at Gary Bushell for stealing his pork pie.

S'only 'cos he's inbred.

Maybe this whole thing is also tough on the guy at the centre of it. I should imagine alot of work has got into Ragley over the last 2 years and he probably wasnt desperate to leave it all.

My Blue Pig is great but most of the other accessories are shonky, maybe with a bit more budget and bike focussed support we will get more great bikes and bits.

Hmmm, hopefully they will be selling piglet frames off on the cheap to get over this rough patch.

Still gutted I missed it.

It appears that some people want the have there arsed kissed and rose petals placed on there bed just because they bought a bike/frame from a certain brand.

Lets be honest here how many other bike company's are there out in the bike world. Do they all kiss your arse every time you have a problem or need some inane problem sorting out? I agree with some peoples comments on this thread about just because Brant comes on all the big bike forums he is an easy target for someone to moan to about the paint on there bike getting knocked off after using it for months off road. Do the same people go moaning all the time about Cannondale frames cracking a lot or the fact that most frames are made in the far east anyway!

Just because you bought a cheap frame form someone who actually comes on the bike forums and actually takes some interest in biking and answering some customers questions and query's on the forums. why would that make you feel special enough to think he is going to kiss your arse because you bought one of his bikes? I think a lot of that is half the problem with this issue on Brant.

For what its worth I don't think a lot of his bikes are anything out of the ordinary. In fact I think some Mondeo type bikes like Specialized/Kona are a lot better hardtail frames than the On Ones he designed. I have had a few and yes a 29er Inbred I had did have issues with the brake calliper needing a million washers to space it out from the frame, something I would never have had from the above well known brand names. As said above if you have a 20inch frame the headtubes are just stupidly small at 100mm. Brant just comes across as a hubris bloke a bit above what he thinks he his. But this site is a Mecca for that sort of person anyway so he is in good company!

Never really understood why people got upset about the short headtubes on the 29ers- that gives you choice. Stick a tall stem or a riser on it or spacers to get the bars to the same place... But with a long head tube, you can't add unspacers to lower the bars. Personally I reckon that all bikes should have the absolute shortest headtube that's workable for the design.

Agreed with Northwind on the headtube thing.

But with a long head tube, you can't add unspacers to lower the bars.

Slam that stem - as someone else said 🙂

I have a Titus 29er and that has a headtube not much more than 100mm

Yeah that's ok Northwind but when your 6.3 on a 20inch frame with a tiny 100mm long headtube then its about 4 20mm spacers at least and that looks nuts! Both the 26er and 29er On Ones are like that. Even then it feels short with all the spacers, maybe on the 16 inch frmaes its ok. There is a reason that most big brand company's make headtubes a lot longer on the Small to the XL size of there bikes. I liked the Old Kona Joe Murray design frames with the larger headtubes. They were great geometry for taller riders.

I guess thats what you get with small brand companys they prefer to make square pegs fit in round holes and make some marketing jargon up to try and hide the fact its all about saving money and making it easier for them. I think thats an area where Brant is a master of the art!

Brant rocks!
Brant sucks!

Er... Brant [i]socks[/i]?..

I love it reading posts from riders saying the products are shite and Brants getting no more of my money. Hilarious....as fickle as football supporters !

Taking a product from conception to market is rediculously expensive, regardless of the product and market. I was involved at GM. To bring frames to the market in that space of time is pretty impressive, but for that value compromises are made. OK, there were some 'issues'....but on a frame for £250 or so....FFS !?! I've had 4 O-O frames, and had to fettle with 2, but sort of felt a little more connected to them. PLus I agree with seth-enslow666, how many Trek / Spesh / Kona / Giant employees, let alone designers come onto this forum and offer support and answer questions....

If you don't like them, don't buy them, go ride a consumer bike like all the other hundreds of thousands of magazine followers.

seth-enslow666 - Member

Yeah that's ok Northwind but when your 6.3 on a 20inch frame with a tiny 100mm long headtube then its about 4 20mm spacers at least and that looks nuts! Both the 26er and 29er On Ones are like that. Even then it feels short with all the spacers, maybe on the 16 inch frmaes its ok.

Or, a riser stem, or a riser bar. I've seen plenty of these in 20" without a huge stack of spacers.

What size bike do you ride Northwind a 16inch by any chance!

Sticking huge rise bars and high rise stems effects the ride of a bike and the angle etc a lot more than having a long steerer tube going straight up to the bars. Having all those huge rises on the stems and bars is no substitute.

Nope. But then I'm not talking about my bike, am I? [i]Your[/i] taste in riding position and parts means [i]you[/i] need lots of spacers, but others get by fine without it. And this is why it's a good idea- people who want lower bars or different parts than you are catered for, and so are you.

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What on earth are you talking about? What matters is where the grips are. It makes absolutely no difference at all how the grips get to that position, whether it's done with spacers or stems or bars.

It is great that he engages with his customers directly and is (I think) a large contributing factor in why the kit is so popular.
Having said that (and I have no axe to grind with on-one, ragley or Brant); this

OK, there were some 'issues'....but on a frame for £250 or so....FFS !?!

Ha I'm not getting into a petty argument with you Northwind. But actually it does make a difference go try it some time and then you won't have to come out with rhetoric! But yes black is white if you say so my friend.

Here's a picture of some goats up a tree to give you all time for a breather.

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What size bike do you ride Northwind a 16inch by any chance!

Sticking huge rise bars and high rise stems effects the ride of a bike and the angle etc a lot more than having a long steerer tube going straight up to the bars. Having all those huge rises on the stems and bars is no substitute.

I have a 20" Scandal, it has one 5mm spacer when geared and two 5mm spacers when SS, I have low rise bars as well.

I love goats. Here's me feeding one

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[i]if you say so my friend.[/i]

ah, the use of 'my friend' intended to indicate anything but and inflame the situation further.

I want to slap someone and it wasn't even directed at me.

[i]I love goats[/i]

there's some sage advice for you in the chorus of this song;

I love goats

there's some sage advice for you in the chorus of this song;

Good song, I'm going to listen to it tonight.

With my goat.

I love goats. Here's me feeding one

That's a very cute goat.

I like carnegie's bars, i have nothing else to say

I took the news to mean that Brant had had enough of the QC and delivery problems with Ragley/CRC/Hotlines and decided to move before it got ridiculous. Can't say I blame him and think that some of the accusations on here are a bit on the fringe side to be honest. I wonder if he shot JFK and helped fake the moon landings too......

I wish him the best of luck at Titus/OnOne and hope he has some new ideas to take with him.

I completely agree. I have had 4 On-one/Planet x bikes and no issues with any of them. Always found Brant helpful and approachable. In the circumstances, I hope he is also thick skinned.

I hate goats and Llamas

I prefer emus and ostriches.

I bought one of your cheap bikes, Richards. As a result, I own your soul. If I am a bit depressed about the flow of a berm at one of the non-descript trail centres that I ride week-in week-out, then I should be able to call you at 3am and you should listen to what I have to say on the matter.

Blue Pig? Poo Pig. I'm going to buy a Dialled Bike instead now because I know where Mike lives, I know which window is for his bedroom, I have a ladder and I can watch him undress. But if he complains......

That's a very cute goat.

I don't have time for ugly goats. Call me what you want but that's just the way I am. I mean seriously look at this

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I supposed I should mention something related to this thread. I've had a Ragley Piglet, I sold it now because I didn't like it, it just wasn't for me. No problems with the build quality on it. Good luck to Brant in whatever he does in his life.

as ^ s-a-d-d says that bloke at Dialled Bikes has got to be worried now

as a matter of interest what will be the STW sanctioned HT now that the Blue Pig is in the dog house ?

as a matter of interest what will be the STW sanctioned HT now that the Blue Pig is in the dog house ?

Eh?????? [i]One[/i] poster has had (unacceptable) issues and Brant has returned to On-One/Titus. Did I miss the announcement that Ragley were to cease production 🙄

as a matter of interest what will be the STW sanctioned HT now that the Blue Pig is in the dog house ?

When I were a lad all this were Cotic Soul..

Re: goats, not bad, best to eat the kids, keep the mothers for milk, excellent for garden clearances and UBF moments with humankid/goatkid interface.

Our garden was high up behind a 20ft retaining wall, and our goat was on a round concrete block with a chain. Every so often you had to "move" the goat, as a child this was only possible by rolling the concrete block (the old man had fitted a swivel to the chain ). I once accidentally rolled the block through the fence and it dropped down to the yard below, 20 ft drop, 15 ft chain. Goat pinned to fence with me frantically trying to pull up the block..

[i]best to eat the kids[/i]

I don't think the Mr B the gentleman rhymer has a song about cannibalism but, rest assured, it's very much frowned upon in polite society.

[edit] I went on a bus journey in burkina faso where they just tethered a load of goats to the roof of the thing. You could tell when the g-forces cut in as there'd be this frantic scrabbling of goaty feet up, down and across the bus as they tried to compensate for it. I've still got a mental image of these goats up there in flying hats and goggles looking nonchalant as the minibus careers along at 60mph.

i've got an on-one inbred which i really like, it used to have ragley carnegie bars on it. i didn't like the bars so i took them off. Can someone please tell me where i stand. do i like brant, or not?

seth-enslow666 - Member

Ha I'm not getting into a petty argument with you Northwind. But actually it does make a difference go try it some time and then you won't have to come out with rhetoric!

I am speaking from experience. It makes no difference. It is impossible for it to make any difference. What difference are you imagining it does?

Kingtut is also speaking from experience obviously- are you going to patronise him too? Since he's one of the people taking advantage of the low steerer which you think is somehow wrong.

Well here's my muddy 2p.

Well I have 5 pairs of Mary bars and one Carnegie at the moment plus my 29er rigid Inbred SS. All Great. Had a classic Inbred and 2x 456's in the past plus many of the Moles have Inbreds as well, especially for Winter hack bikes.

One of the plus points was the way Brant dealt with my first ever purchase when the Inbred frame turned up with a cable stop instead of a straight through guide. It has had an affect on the rest of my bike purchases though as I'm always looking for a bargain (...btw Charlie the Bike Monger has some nice Kona Big Unit frames atm...)

I've only actually spoken to him once on the phone and met him briefly at a Earls Court Cycle show. He didn't seem to want to engage which was a shame but that could have been down to all sorts of reasons. I also find his Shedfire site with his Twitter feed a bit weird but maybe it's a Northern thing as it does also seem similar to what used to happen at On-One.

I wasn't tempted by a Ragley, seemed s bit too slack for Surrey Hills but Al rides a Ti and seems very happy with it.

I have thought that On One might have bitten off more than they can chew and there is a definite "distance" between the company and the customer in my opinion, especially with no forum and product info scattered all across the site. In fact a few weeks back it looked like they might be pulling out of 29ers as they had just 2 frames listed (one was that weird Sling thing) and no mention of the others, not even showing out of stock. Maybe Brant will change that, maybe he won't.

Anyway, this is all just opinion (granted some based on experience....I've had some shite Fords and Vauxhalls btw), everyone has their own truth but I'm really not sure about his taste in music......

;o)

I think Joe Murray got it all wrong Northwind, you win. 😛 And of Course KINGTUT is always right aint he!

Pass me the goat to cuddle up to!

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As you were, carry on.

"There is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is NOT being talked about."

apparently.............

I've had 4 on ones
Still have 2 853 frames - love em for the riding I do.
had a few emails of brant - short but ok
Met him at HTN last year and he was nice enough in his own special way.

If i broke my 853 SS frame I'd try to get something just like it.

That is all

plum

seth-enslow666 - Member

I think Joe Murray got it all wrong Northwind, you win. And of Course KINGTUT is always right aint he!

That comment makes no sense- Kingtut isn't right or wrong, he just has a personal preference. If it had the tall headtube which you insist is "right", he couldn't use his setup. So why is that better?

Low head tubes allow more setups, simple as that, and some people prefer a lower setup than you do.

But go on, tell me what difference there is between spacers and a tall stem, or between spacers and a riser? As long as the control surfaces end up in the same place.

I'd like to see Brant bring out a new Titus hardtail and call it the Goat.

With a really short headtube to keep seth-enslow666 😉

goats...

see those specs/dots on the Dam..

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thems be goats

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they love the salts..

they only stay up there 'cos toys19 has slung a weight over the other side of the dam and tied the goat to it with very thin thread.

But go on, tell me what difference there is between spacers and a tall stem, or between spacers and a riser? As long as the control surfaces end up in the same place.

I alwways thought lots of spacers was a bad thing as they had a tendency to shift slightly with impacts to the forks and could loosen the preload on the headset.

I have no idea whether this is *fact* but it seemed possible. I am ambivalent about the whole HT length thing though (actually, I can see a shorter one is, on average, probably more versatile).

And the thread rambles on, mleh.

Top goatage there on the res'. Impressive.

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[b]LIKE[/b]

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[b]BOSS[/b]

Holy McShit!

wow, I asked for this to ramble on and carry me thru my tuesday work day...didn't expect it to really deliver 😯 but hey I'm not complaining! Loverly goats there tho...

Harry_the_Spider - Member

Not liking Brant seems very fashionable

Cheers all.

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Cheers all.

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I've read 6 pages of this, and I'm confused. Should I like Brant or not?

We should like goats.

what's not to like about goats? They rock.

mmmmmm curried goat 🙂

Brant: ...Will you please listen? I'm not the Messiah! Do you understand? Honestly!
Stwer: Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
Brant: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I am the Messiah!
Stw Crowd: He is! He is the Messiah!
Brant: Now, ...... go forth!....(ish).....
[Silence]
Stwer: How shall we .....go forth....(ish)...., oh Lord?
Brant: Oh, just go away! Leave me alone!

pygmy goat for the win 😉 [img] [/img]

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old English sheepgoat, top trump

I don't get this goat thing.

they only stay up there 'cos toys19 has slung a weight over the other side of the dam and tied the goat to it with very thin thread.

wwaswas - v good. I'm glad somebody read my goat story, as its true.

I don't get this goat thing.

Head's ovalised, coat's a bit patchy, tail a bit wonky

New Ragley hydration pack range..

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tail a bit wonky

get yer goat, love - you've pulled....

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