[Closed] Is anything proven to help muscles heal quicker?

EPO

Eat potatoes only?
Enthusiastically prostrate oneself?

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EDIT: neck it as soon as you've finished working hard

Extra Pie Order

(i'm guessing you already use a recovery drink straight after the ride and do a gentle spin or two during the week to free your legs up a bit?)

Oxygen Tent

Eat Pies Only, silly

I find necking a pint of water with 3 tablespoons of glucose powedr does the trick. Was only about a pound for a box from the pharmacy

Protein.

ask Lance Armstrong, he's got great doctors that know all about this

Protein and avoid alcohol as it interferes with your body processing it.

If you are really sick (in the head), an ice bath helps them recover but it takes some comitment.

I have to use EPO for medical reasons and must admit when I started on it the difference it made to my riding was huge for me, I went from being well at the back to keeping up with people and not collapsing on climbs. However, using it unprescribed can have very serious side effects (thickening of the blood for one).

Also try rubbing Tiger balm into your legs pre and post ride see if that helps.

If you've not recovered after a week you are doing something wrong:

Carbs straight after, stretch, hydrate, recovery spin the day after, eat properly, don't booze too much & don't overtax yourself physically or at work.

If you are jumping to a much higher level though it may just take a while to get used to it.

Whey protein shake.

Carbs straight after, stretch, hydrate, recovery spin the day after, eat properly, don't booze too much & don't overtax yourself physically or at work.

say WHAT ?? Unless you're intending to become an athlete just do and eat normal stuff FFS!

don't overtax yourself physically

diddums :o) sheesh! What, and buy a walking stick ?

I use whey protein powder mixed with anything up to 500ml orange juice. Mix it up straight after the ride and drink within the magic 20 minute window after finishing the ride. Helps lots.

However, if, as you say, your legs are not 100% right a week later, it sounds like you're pushing yourself too much on these rides.

So, definitely help yourself by drinking protein, laying off the booze, stretching and going for steady - i.e. really steady where grannies may overtake you - recovery rides.

within the magic 20 minute window after finishing the ride

some of us have stopped believing in magic and fairies...

I have to use EPO for medical reasons and must admit when I started on it the difference it made to my riding was huge for me, I went from being well at the back to keeping up with people and not collapsing on climbs. However, using it unprescribed can have very serious side effects (thickening of the blood for one).

Only this morning I was thinking about the apparent benefits of caffeine on exercise. Given that I don't drink tea or coffee, I decided that trying caffeine tablets might do the trick.

And then I realised that way doping lies. So, it's convenient you posted - got any spare EPO for sale..? 😉

barnes - you're a c*ck.

But you amuse me, so carry on.

🙂

SFB in "not having a clue" shocker!

All those make a huge difference when incorporating high level training with a normal life. Where did I say not to "eat nrmal stuff"?

Do try harder.

protein and a mix of carbs imediately afterwards

easy spin home (or 20 min at the end of the ride)

several more easy spins during the week (30-60min is ideal recovery time)

no alcohol for 48-72 hours after strenuous excerise (untill legs stop feeling sore).

HGH, If you can get it that is!

Compression shorts/tights improve circulation and reduce recovery times.

Lots of sleep

And alternate the shower between freezing cold and boiling hot on the aiming at affected muscles, hot or cold therapy alone were proved ineffective (particularly hot baths, they were purely psycological) but alternating the two for 20-30 seconds each (or longer if you can stand it) was proved to help.

cynic-al - Member

If you've not recovered after a week you are doing something wrong:

Carbs straight after, stretch, hydrate, recovery spin the day after, eat properly, don't booze too much & don't overtax yourself physically or at work.

If you are jumping to a much higher level though it may just take a while to get used to it.

this is sensible advice from Al.

Many folk swear by protein after exercise and this "magi window" Or recovery drinks. Myself I am very dubious about the benefits for the weekend warrier

Magic window is well proven and works for me but will only matter if you've depleted your glycogen. I've read that you can have any carbs at all at this time - preferably simple. I don't know about the protein angle.

Cool, all good stuff. I must admit, it's not just one ride a week. I do a group ride and then at least one other excercise e.g. another solo ride or circuit training. Interesting about the alcohol, given that I am partial to the odd beverage.

turneround - cheers for that, could you give me Lance's number please?

Many folk swear by protein after exercise and this "magi window" Or recovery drinks. Myself I am very dubious about the benefits for the weekend warrier

I ride daily (commuting) and train specifically 3 or 4 days a week. I train hard when I do, and so find that protein makes a big difference to how much my legs ache the next day. I have no reason to doubt the efficacy of the 20 minute window, so come back through the door and, as I gather myself, mix up and drink the protein.

ourmaninthenorth:

I use whey protein powder mixed with anything up to 500ml orange juice. Mix it up straight after the ride and drink within the magic 20 minute window after finishing the ride. Helps lots.

No carbs?

Be younger, about 18 ideally.

SFB in "not having a clue" shocker!

All those make a huge difference when incorporating high level training with a normal life

well I'm sorry but all that advice above looks like total hogwash to me :O) Eating certain things at certain times or wearing granny tights ? Didn't you forget to mention dancing naked round the maypole while sprinkling oneself with the urine of virgins and keeping a rabbit's foot under your pillow ?

'knowledge' of superstition doesn't amount to a hill of beans (which you might eat to more useful effect 🙂

I've read that you can have any carbs at all at this time - preferably simple.

you do realise that all carbs have to be broken down into glucose before they're absorbed ?

This all sounds exactly like witchcraft. If it works it's because having a definite plan feels more positive than none. We're all highly suggestible, and it's part of perception to look for categorisable patterns, to the extent that we often see them when there are none (like seeing faces in the clouds)

'knowledge' of superstition doesn't amount to a hill of beans - which you might as well eat to better effect 🙂

And alternate the shower between freezing cold and boiling hot on the aiming at affected muscles

it just gets better doesn't it ? "Now what can we get them to do ?" :o)

SFB,tried any of the above suggestions? or just too busy standing on your soapbox? 😉

Simon - there is actual double blind studies on some of this stuff. real proper science There is no doubt it works in people under severe physical stress such as TDF or extreme endurance athletes.

My doubts are about its value in the weekend warrier.

If you want to pour scorn on it it would be useful if you actually had a clue what you are talking about.

S T R E T C H especially after your ride 😀

SFB,tried any of the above suggestions?

I prefer a strict nachos & dandelion and burdock diet :o)

As for "trying", I've already pointed out that experimenting on yourself is unlikely to reveal anything objective. And in any case I have no pains after a ride unless I crash!

S T R E T C H especially after your ride

wasn't stretching found to be harmful ?

wasn't stretching found to be harmful ?

Stay well clear of peanuts and whack off a lot. Failing that, just ride more and don't get too ratted the night before a ride, ie- make sure you are properly hydrated.

Athletes are human too. What works for them should also be of some benefit to the average guy.

I tend to only use recovery drinks if I've been racing. For normal riding/training etc it's just a normal healthy diet, not too much alcohol and get enough rest.

I used to have regular sports massage too, only have it about 4-5 times a years now but it definitely helps. That and stretching.

No carbs?

Pure orange juice contains 56.7g CHO per 500mls so quite a lot of carbohydrate there then

I'm with SimonBarnes on this, how funny is this thread.

And for the record I often go for a beer with my mates after a ride

If you want to pour scorn on it it would be useful if you actually had a clue what you are talking about.

I think you'll find that's not necessary :o)

I am willing to concede that at the limit of human performance there may be slight benefit to some specific foods and timings, but for ordinary biking it's completely unnecessary.

turneround - Member

ask Lance Armstrong, he's got great doctors that know all about this

as a point of interest, are you and singletrack aware that writing this sort of thing leaves you both exposed to libel lawsuits?

If group rides are leaving you bollixed for a week, you're not 'fairly fit'...

Training is all about adaptation; you need to train to be able to adapt to the faster pace, and all the recovery methods outlined and maligned above wont help if you're not going out and training yourself in the first place.

If the fastest you ever ride is with the group, you'll always suffer, so get out on your own and make it hurt, then rest, then do it again.

Sounds like you're not doing enough, so the weekly shock is flattening you; do more, do it harder.

Specificity is the key in bike training.

simonfbarnes - Member

SFB in "not having a clue" shocker!

All those make a huge difference when incorporating high level training with a normal life

I was referring to the advice I gave, none of which is outwith a "normal & healthy" lifestyle IMO.

you do realise that all carbs have to be broken down into glucose before they're absorbed ?

DUH - that's why I said "preferably simple". It works for me!

And no doubt many can & do go for beers after rides (there's carbs in beer btw DUH!) but there's a world of difference between an evening ride with mates once or twice a week and several hard training sessions a week.

SFB your trolling is nomally better than this. When even TJ lambasts you, you know you're not on top of your game 😉

Sports science has developed massively, even in the last 10-15 years. Its now understood that diet and timing of food intake can provide radical improvements in performance rather than just 'training jolly hard'. In some sports science circles, the mantra is '25% training, 75% nutrition'

If SFB wishes to persist in belligerence for belligerences sake, I suggest you all let him.

You do realise he's just looking for an argument don't you?

The rest of us can have a more informed discussion thats on topic.

Ice baths I don't believe in personally.

I found that taking in simple carbs and protein inside of the 'magic window' as some have called it very effective.

Its well understood these days that immediately after hard exercise your body will look to repair itself with the most readily available materials - that is, areas of your body that haven't been stressed or damaged, unless you provide it with an alternative source i.e. a nice pint of milk, or whey protein with OJ etc...

This maximisies recovery potential because your system isn't 'robbing Peter to pay Paul'.

The other thing that makes a huge difference to me is adequate sleep - but I've always liked my sleep.

>ask Lance Armstrong, he's got great doctors that know all about this

as a point of interest, are you and singletrack aware that writing this sort of thing leaves you both exposed to libel lawsuits?

If he's not using great doctors then he's a fool I say.

If he's not using great doctors then he's a fool I say.

well that is true, of course!

Yikes, opened up a can of worms. FWIW I think my original question was a valid one.

P.S crikey - thanks for your rigorous assessment on my fitness levels 🙄