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or more importantly doesn't mean that they are then exempt from land access issues until there is a right to roam in england and wales or similar.
True, but access issues are different to environmental protection. If we're being asked to not ride certain areas to protect the environment there, then it's fair enough to raise issues as to whether the environment is worth protecting. In the case of most open moorland I question whether it is. It could easily be argued that these areas should be prioritised in favour of woodland and other areas which have greater biodiversity and ecological and environmental benefit.
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I'm perefectly happy to break the rules on where i ride, so i'm also happy to watch other people doing it too.
Mrsmiths point about how recogniseable the privately owned place is is worth repeating, as OP mentioned that it was identifiable. If you had a bit of trail that had unidentifiable trees and bushes as a backdrop its unlikely to be an issue. Edit tidy up, I clearly cant type on phone on train ..
Well the video is still the same how is that
?both have now taken steps to correct the matter
I am also in the group of what video, what company and what spot, but will go look through pinkbike on my lunch break!
My thoughts, there are other disciplines of cycling which do not care for the owners permission, id says these are trials in urban areas and BMX street, as long as I can remember videos and magazine photos of people riding things have been in circulation.
This leads me to my next point, should the landowners do more to direct traffic and protect "their" land? for example, whilst we are calling out a brand, have we looked through the hashtags on social media for so called influencers riding this spot? do we need to start thinking about reaching out to other sports which use these areas of our country such as fell running? I'll admit, I havent got a clue where I can and cannot ride in the countryside, but signage certainly does help me!
Classic stw hand wringing. I'm happy enough to ride that trail, and plenty of footpaths around me, so I'm not going to throw stones at others that do. I find sexist advertising way more irresponsible than this, and starting this post was always going to draw attention to the respective companies.
So am I right in thinking that people who recognise the place already ride it and it is a Strava segment but its the people making the video who are irresponsible? Now I have seen the video it looks nice but I have no idea where it is so wont ride it. It seems to me a classic case of STW hand wringing
It is exactly the section of trail I thought it would be!
The brands responsible are being a bit irresponsible - they are doing slo-mos with 'roost' ripping up and flying everywhere - not a brilliant advert for sustainable access, granted. Also, that particular trail is very visible from numerous main roads, so have dudes with cameras up there for an extended period doing sections over and over will have been obvious, not cheeky.
On the flipside is thepodge's very, very protective attitude to that particular trail. In the past he has told me off for even mentioning that place in passing and it seemed to me that it was a case of "them there trails is for locals only".
Here's the deal - I have ridden that bit maybe 2/3 times and it is 'good'. But I didn't skid around corners for the hell of it, didn't video it and put it on youtube and didn't stand around in the nearby pub and loudly exchange fist-pumps whilst braying about how 'stoked' I was to have ridden it. There is an obvious and very well known legit way down that hill, and it has been given a lot of very good attention of the last few years by local trails groups and riders - to the point where I actually prefer the legit trail in anything but bone-dry weather.
As before - cheeky means cheeky, not blatant!
Is it this one?
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/golden-hour-airdrop-video-2017.html
I have no idea where it is but looks fun 🙂
So OP's problem is really he's riding my local trail....
Looks like a nice trail, not sure how you'd pinpoint location without already knowing it though.
I'm confident they got the landowners permission though as they used a drone and hence its illegal to launch without landowner permission.. 😆
Do I ride stuff I shouldn't - yes, every local ride
Do I mind if others do the same - no
What about if they film it - still no
If it is that vid above I'm still struggling to see the problem, skidding it aint.
Yes, I wouldn't buy from them. A shop local to me put together an unofficial, mass start downhill race in an area busy with walkers - I no longer use the shop.
Do you ride S Hills Hicksy - making a wild guess at shop in question?
Moaning about 'roost', oh yeah cos a bike tyre is going to destroy a rock that has been there for thousands of years. The rain will do more damage to the trail than a bike tyre, so are you going to ban the rain as well?
Just got back from Ladybower, built a sweet hip near the bottom. Took down some of the fence posts to make the kicker, just need to build up the berm to give more entry speed
Looks like a nice trail, not sure how you'd pinpoint location without already knowing it though.
Its the last few seconds on the open hillside that I believe is the issue - this is a very different trail from the one that the majority of the vid is on.
From the OP, I thought the video would be a full two minute shred-fest on the open hillside trail, with a very obvious reference point in full view for long periods. In actual fact it is a few seconds and if you don't know the area, it would be difficult to pinpoint it - unless you did a frame by frame - which is now a lot more likely given the attention drawn to it by this thread.
It seems that the OP's sensitivity to this trail is a large part of the 'issue' here - although the 'foot out roosting' on the part of the filmmakers isn't brilliantly appropriate, either.
You're just jealous because none of you can kick up a roost
That's a really nice video. As for the access issue, the production company behind it are very likely to have done their homework regarding the drone shots so it's a non issue for me.
Its the last few seconds on the open hillside that I believe is the issue - this is a very different trail from the one that the majority of the vid is on.
It is a little obvious.
...'foot out roosting'...
Don't really understand this. I've always been lead to believe it's far faster to keep your feet on the pedals. Maybe I'm just old. And cynical.
You're just jealous because none of you can kick up a roost
is that a scottish roast dinner? i can do that and even make my own yorkshire puddings and gravy not readymade.
...the production company behind it are very likely to have done their homework regarding the drone shots so it's a non issue for me.
I once read a story written by a pro photog. He had to shoot some work with the Eiffel Tower as a backdrop. He contacted the Parisian authorities to make sure there were no obvious stipulations for doing this, and after a wait they said there wasn't, but there was a hefty charge.
The photographer contemplated the matter, and decided to shoot regardless without paying.
As far as I am aware there's not been a problem, and the image appears on the front of a book.
So, to your note above, do I think a small production company contacted a landowner to see whether it could fly a drone over its land to film a short piece for a another small company? Or do I think they just did it? I'll let you hazard a guess.
Is it this one?
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/golden-hour-airdrop-video-2017.htmlI have no idea where it is but looks fun
How can it be I thought the op said that the company involved took the video down?
I think we as a community owe it ourselves to be responsible riders and trail builders. Common sense should prevail but there's always one.....
So OP's problem is really he's riding my local trail....
Seems to be.
I don't think many who haven't already ridden it, would know where to find it (or be likely to travel to it) just from watching that vid.
So I can't see the problem with it it all.
Exactly where I thought it would be. But it was already a highly-overused cheeky trail long before they filmed that. That deep scar on the hillside is a known problem, and I'm sure it was already troubling the NT well before this was published.
Exactly where I thought it would be. But it was already a highly-overused cheeky trail long before they filmed that. That deep scar on the hillside is a known problem, and I'm sure it was already troubling the NT well before this was published.
Also worth noting that it is not a RoW at all, so also 'cheeky' for the redsocks. I will qualify that by saying that the area is 'open access', so I don't think this is currently 'cheeky' for ramblers, but I bet it was when it first became a defined path and not just heather, rocks and peat......
Lastly, imagine two local bike companies using that hill in promotional videos, photos and maps
so, Airdrop's Video, doesn't have maps, photos and so on, so is the other firm Cotic, then?
(see homepage story)
so, Airdrop's Video, doesn't have maps, photos and so on, so is the other firm Cotic, then?
I actually thought it was Cotic tbh despite them not being named ,the actual aspertion from the OP made me think this. Irresponsible posting can ruin brands.
He the OP was obvs expecting some form of unified outrage which seems to have failed to appear.
Nope, it was perhaps in hindsight a little naive but I'd still buy from this brand. In fact, possibly more so. They're great bikes, but now it feels more like an underdog. I certainly don't think one guy trying his hardest deserves the level of vitriol that some on this thread have offered.
It's a fun descent that one. If it rides and looks the part I'd buy one regardless of marketing fluff.