[Closed] I'm fuming! CRC service sucks

Link to what you bought?

what brand of tape? We've stopped doing some brands in the shop as they are never long enough

Think thats a bit cheeky myself - refund or replace wouldn't cost them much surely - Hmm from what it seams that does sound tight? I would say not as advertised?

All the tape I have put on has been way long enough - usually have to cut 2-3 inches off the end 😯

So you don't have 60cm bars 8) Which tape did you buy?

Last tape I got from CRC (cheap) it had to be fairly 'tension stretched' as it was put on but was fine in the end.

[url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=43141 ]Brand X tape[/url]

Even has a comment saying its too short. Wish I had read more closely.

And before someone says it, its not about the money, its the attitude of CRC that I am annoyed with.

A call out for CRC here I think - pitty Andy@CRC has gone?

For those with time on their hands, heres the email thread (cheeky twunts)

Well no because I would not purchase the car Adam, if the tape was not suitable you could have returned it as stated in the return policy on the website and we could have issued a refund as you have used the tape this is not now possible, but as stated the tape was sold as it comes from the supplier and was not faulty so we now consider this matter closed as we are getting nowhere, we are sorry the item you purchased did not suit your needs but we have sold lots of this item and this is the first issue of this nature we have had so we are confident there is no issue with the tape.

Kind Regards,
Mark
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There is something wrong with it! It wont fit a road bar! If I sold you a car that was too small to sit in I think you would quite rightly want your money back.
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Hello Adam,

We are not sure what you want us to do ? the bar tape you purchased was not faulty and was sold as it comes from the supplier so if it was not long enough for your needs we can only suggest you purchase another, there is nothing wrong with the item you bought so unfortunately we cannot replace it.

Kind Regards,
Mark
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It isn’t long enough. When you sell bar tape for use on road bike bars you expect it to actually fit on a standard road bar. Its purpose is “road bar tape”, which it isn’t long enough to do hence its “not fit for purpose”.
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Hello Adam,

We do not understand how it is not fit for purpose ? it sounds as though it was simply not long enough for your needs that does not mean it is faulty, if this is wrong can you clarify what the actual issue is.

Kind Regards,
Mark
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I wouldn’t have to return it if was fit for purpose. Hence, I am at least entitled a refund. I was hoping some good will would mean you would exchange without having to go through the effort of posting a half used bar grip back.
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Hello Adam,

We are sorry to hear the bar tape you ordered was not long enough for you but if you want to order more please do so online, as you have fitted the bar tape you purchased we would not be able to accept it back for a refund as per the terms on the website.

Kind Regards,
Mark
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Hi,

I recently purchased the Brand X bar tape and found it way too short. Even when I tried to minimise on overlap and stretch it out, it is still way too short. I don’t even have particularly long or wide bars.

I would send it back, but it seems a bit pointless as its going to cost me more than £4 to send it back and I have used one side already so you cant sell it on.

Can you please send me some new bar tape that will actually fit my roads bars please?

I have spent a fair few quid on CRC in the past so am hoping you will resolve this for me easily.

Thanks,
Adam

So Mark at CRC has effectively said **** off you winging twunt who can't wrap bars properly 😯

Got to be honest, the couple of times that I have had issues at CRC their support has been less than helpful 😕

I suppose the length of the tap isn't on the site or packaging? If it is not, and you ordered in good faith then IMHO they have miss-represented the goods and thus have breached the sale of goods act (I am not a legal eagle and this may be total balls :wink:).

Never ends to surprise me that companies are unwilling to help out in instances like this.

As an aside, how are you supposed to wrap the bars with two lengths of tape - surely a join in the bar won't work ❓

hmm, I understand why you're cross, but the tone of your email wouldn't make me want to rush to help you out either.

Sounds like awful service to me,
What tape was it, does it say how long it is on the website?

I can understand how they won't refund without you sending it back. I would suggest you send it back, it won't cost £4 to do that.

That's bollocks, they describe the item as " includes tape for both bars and chrome bar-ends " and don't provide the measurements, so it seems natural to assume it should fit! His last email is pretty obnoxious too.

I'm with the OP, unless he is unable to wrap bars, which seems unlikely.

No way should they be selling tape that doesn't fit std bars.

I started off the emails pretty politely. But they are slowly disintegrating....

You are selling road bar tape that will not fit a STANDARD road bar. Surely there is a product fault. Its too bloody short! At manufacturing, they cut it too short for it to be of any use as road bar tape.

Its not about the money, and certainly not about 2 miserly quid. I thought you would just pop another one in the post and the matter would be closed. I didn’t really think you would make me jump through hoops for some sodding bar tape.

Adam,
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You are missing the point the tape is not faulty because there was simply not enough for your needs, the comment on the website is there so you would have been aware the previous customer said it could have been longer for him too but he did not return it or ask for a refund because it was not long enough for his needs, you are not entitled to a refund as there is no issue as far as we are concerned, as a gesture of goodwill we will offer a refund of half the cost but purely as a goodwill gesture if you wish to accept let us know and we will get it processed, if you do not wish to accept the offer then as advised we consider the matter closed.

Kind Regards,

Mark
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How was I to know the tape was too short before I tried putting it on? And to be fair, it should have fitted in the first place anyway.

Secondly, THIS ISNT THE FIRST ISSUE, there is already a comment on the product saying its too short.

Before you really, really hack off a loyal customer, pleas refund me the money and I will get the tape elsewhere.

Thanks,
Adam

I reckon you'd legitimately argue it's not fit for purpose - same as if you bought a gear inner cable and it turned out to be only 60cm long.

Very suprised at CRC though - could just be a numpty who should have been trained better in customer service. Not an excuse though worth chasing it up with a manager.

Tell him to have a look at your account spend and that in future that will be going to wiggle. Worked for me in the past. I have generally stopped using crc these days.

the tape is not faulty because there was simply not enough for your needs

not long enough for [b]anyone's[/b] needs

your first email to CRC wouldn't have me rushing to help though.

Pretty poor service there. I would keep a record of the communication between you and 'Mark' as I'm sure his boss would love to know how he communicates with customers. While I would say that perhaps your first email could have be toned better the way he has responded is totally unprofessional. If he were working for me I would want to know about it and would certainly be having a stern word with him.

Victim of their own success? Expanding quickly and having to quickly hire staff who aren't up to scratch? Pure speculation but I have seen this happen before. I think someone higher up in CRC needs to know about it.

[i]hmm, I understand why you're cross, but the tone of your email wouldn't make me want to rush to help you out either. [/i]
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[i]your first email to CRC wouldn't have me rushing to help though.[/i]

+1

Your next challenge of course is to get contact details for someone higher in CRC, not an easy task I imagine.

You could definitely work on your complaining skills though. While you might not agree it is rarely the shouty or angry customers that get the best treatment when problems occur - I've learnt that lesson.

I assume there are two lengths of tape in the packet? If so, have you measured the other (unused) length - are they both the same or is one longer than the other? It may be that one was cut too short during manufacturing and therefore you can go back to Mark and let him know that in fact there was a problem with the product.

Long shot, but just a thought.

I had a similar issue with them once, regarding a chain tug that wouldn't fit over the hub spindle: I was advised to hit it with hammer! I think it might depend upon which of the customer service monkeys you end up with.

Either way, this Mark fellow is completely and utterly in the wrong here, on a number of levels. Stop messing around and escalate it, go to his boss.

Print the emails, post them to CRC in an envelope marked Managing Director, Private and Confidential with a brief, polite covering letter.

You are missing the point the tape is not faulty because there was simply not enough for your needs, the comment on the website is there so you would have been aware the previous customer said it could have been longer for him too but he did not return it or ask for a refund because it was not long enough for his needs,

Well it looks like they are fully aware that they are selling something that's not fit for purpose. They should make a note of the issue in the product description or stop selling it. I would just take your custom elsewhere. And make sure you leave a review of the product that makes the problem clear.

How did you pay for it?

Print the emails, post them to CRC in an envelope marked Managing Director, Private and Confidential with a brief, polite covering letter.

+1

I'm glad you posted this. I was deciding whether to order my road bike from CRC (it was between them and someone else)

After reading that lot, and after a couple of less than satisfactory experiences myself...I will go elsewhere.

[i]a brief, [b]polite[/b] covering letter[/i]

Seems like a lot of hassle for 4 pounds.

Well done CRC - you just lost a road bike purchase over being stingy about some bar tape. 😆

I think I'd not be polluting my mind with anger over this. It's bar-tape. Save it for when you're next strangling a fairly small kitten and buy some more, preferably from a shop.

Interesting on their site though. One lot of tape gives a length measurement (185) and a couple of others say "Each roll is long enough to ensure complete coverage on all handlebar sizes". I'm now deeply sceptical of any tape on their site that doesn't give this assurance...

how did you pay if cc or paypal raise a dispute if debit card a bit harder, also point them in the direction of this thread and see how their 'good' name is being tarnished

Given up being polite (some may say I never was). Am going to ring CRC and speak to his boss. Anyone know who I should ask for?

p.s. they have seen the thread...

Mark,

There is no ‘insistence’ that you send me a new one. Just a request. However, I was not expecting you to also turn me down for a refund as well. As a good customer, I was hoping for some better service rather than the drawn out affair we seem to have gone through now. It seems utterly pointless for all involved if I had to send back a £4 set of grip with one half being used. I would have thought my past purchase would have guaranteed me as an honest customer who isn’t trying to rip you off.

Im not going to the effort of sending you some useless grip tape and wait weeks for a refund or replacement (or neither). I also have to use the bike, which right now even though it doesn’t cover the hood clamp, is just about functional. Having to take it off makes my bike totally unusable. You are aware it is a poor product from previous comments. Whether other people have bought it and just binned it not wanting to waste their time arguing over £4 is up to them. How about you get some out of your warehouse and give it a go, and you will see it wont go round the bars?

Rather than take you up on the offer, I think I will just ring up at some point and speak to your manager, forward him your emails which show your totally inability to deal swiftly with a £4 customer complaint, and see what he thinks.

Have a nice day,
Adam
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Adam,

Thanks for the link but having read all replies you will agree it is more about the fact that you are insisting the item is faulty which it is not and your insistence that we simply send you a replacement without checking up on it is not the procedure we use , your reluctance to meet us half way as we have sold loads of this bar tape with no issues seems to account for nothing so it appears we cannot win with you on this, if you do not want the tape return it to us and we will have it checked and if there is an issue with the tape you bought we will issue a refund.

Kind Regards,
Mark

Print the emails, post them to CRC in an envelope marked Managing Director, Private and Confidential with a brief, [b]polite[/b] covering letter.

Not wanting to give away any tricks of the complaining trade but you can always look at the format of the company email address then establish the name of someone important at the company. If names aren't listed on their website, companies house website is always a good place to start. Then send the boss a slighty more politely worded email attaching the original text. The last time I did this the company concerned went from unhelpful and combative to bending over backwards and extending some of the best customer service I have ever experienced.

Life is toooooo short to dwell on this. Get some Deda bar tape from High on Bikes (ebay), good quality stuff, order it now and you might get it tomorrow.

Hmm - your first mail was a little arsey IMHO i.e. demanding replacement tape etc etc - however I still feel in your case the tape was not fit for purpose - would they sell a chain which was too short or brake cable half the std length without putting a lenth on teh item?

Not sure your gonna get anywhere - I would vote with your feet and not give them your custom if you feel robbed? 😯

It's bar tape. Get over yourself. And technically CRC are right. If you bought trousers that were too short then it'd be your own fault. I suspect that the length is actually fine for a lot of people who just want their tape to end past the bend.

Patience is not a strong point is it? 😕

Have to agree that life is too short to get wound up about this.

I'd pay £8, immediately, to stop receiving those emails, but my money is my own. Poor old Mark just has to sit there and take it. 🙂

Tip for dealing with small value items that are faulty or useless

Just tell them they didn't arrive & get a refund

Saves all the hassle

It's a clear cut case of not fit for purpose in my opinion. Road bar tape should be long enough to fit commonly sized road bars. The purpose of the tape is to wrap bars. The dimensions of road bars are fairly uniform - they seem to vary from 38 to 44cm wide in the whole, which is nowhere near as much variation as you get in the mountain bike world.

Assuming your bars fit in the range of what's considered normal for road bars, I can't see how CRC can refuse to take it back.

The guy's argument of "I wouldn't have bought the car" doesn't hold water - you don't have the opportunity to see the goods before purchase, and it's not reasonable to expect you to test fit bar tape. Even if you did, there's the potential for stretching and damage as you do so.

Yeh, the emails are getting a bit strong. But if I was that poor at my job I would expect to get some abuse.

The point being, if CRC don't actually list how the tape is against the desription, how would ANYONE know how much tape there was?
ads-b does have a valid point, given that the tapes i looked at on CRC, NONE of them had a length. Therefore you'd be forced to assume that they would all fit std road bars.
Out of interest ads, are your road bars std?

hmm, I understand why you're cross, but the tone of your email wouldn't make me want to rush to help you out either.
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your first email to CRC wouldn't have me rushing to help though.

+1

how would have you wordsmiths worded it?

bigyinn- Road bars are standard

email sent to 'Frank' at CRC who is apparently high up.....

NSFW, someone seems to have had this problem before:

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tbh I dont think your first e-mail is polite or rude. It does not seem like it is to much to expect bar tape to actually cover the bars. Imagine buying an inner tube or tyre and finding it was too small to fit would youe cross?. Feel some sympathy for CRC as they have sold exactlyw hat Planet X give them so it is not faulty just a shoddy product and no really thei fault - perhapsprevious customers live with it as it is cheap and costs more to return but CRC should be clear about this on website. If it was down to me I would have sent you another roll for free and the pocessed your next orders very slowly next time 😉
Customer loyalty /reputationis everything and they look a biot stingy If i was CRC I would moan to planet x as well

EDIT: SORRY PLANET X your stuff is ace

Brand X, not Planet X!

Phew - Brand X/Planet X confusion avoided 😯 The lawsuit has been dropped 😉

i think half the bother here is actually us.
if you have ever worked in a bike shop you will understand just how much time is spent dealing with muppets that have fekked the thingh they have just bought and then try to pull the wool over.
not saying this is you mind ads it's just that you do tend to adopt a mindset.

Ok, where do I book my tickets for the Mark vs Adam smackdown?

at least the OP can't complain they aren't reading his emails - this is like a soap opera. I wonder what frank will say?

Since tails, asks, I'd go with the following, then post the bar-tape back and forget all about it. I've no idea whether I'd get my refund, but I wouldn't be fuming either. 🙂

Hi,

I'm afraid I am having a problem with the Brand X bar tape which I bought on [date] under reference [ ]. It is significantly too short actually to wrap my bars. After a couple of attempts I can get it as far as the hoods, but it definitely won't do a full wrap (I don't think I'm messing this up incidentally, I've done the job many times in the past). Having looked at the website again, I see that the product listing doesn't specify a length, and indeed neither do most of the bar tapes that you list. I'm afraid I assumed that it would be long enough to wrap a standard bar, and the description certainly doesn't make it clear that it wouldn't be.

Presumably you wouldn't usually give me a refund because the product has been used and can't be re-sold. Equally, it's not actually faulty. It just isn't any use to me, or to anyone else with standard sized road bars who wants to wrap them in tape. I don't want to spoil anybody's day over £4 but I do feel rather hard-done-by about this. I am going to return the tape, and I would very much appreciate a refund of what I paid and the postage I'm incurring in sending it back. Do give me a call if it would make things easier to talk on the phone. My number is [ ].

Kind regards

Adam

I wonder what frank will say?

[b]Frankie says RELAX[/b]

@jamie my money is on mark - he has the bombers, but only a 2006 model in mint green with a 1.5" steerer. They are heavily reduced though.

2006 model in mint green with a 1.5" steerer

Chuckles. 😀

this is like a soap opera. I wonder what frank will say?

Im guessing "Paaaaaaat!"

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Get a mountain bike?

or a tennis bat.

nonk:

or a tennis bat.

or a cricket racket 😉

yeah one of those aswell 😆

Did you check to see if both bar tapes were the same length?

Might just be a one off manufacturing problem/mistake?

Very poor on CRC's side imo.

Had recent problems with them too. A £2000 frame with a fault. (ok, reduced to £1500 because it was last year's model). They were very unhelpful.
Had to take the matter to the importer, then the manufacturer.
Manufacturer / importer sorted it out really well in the end, but CRC were rubbish. I'm still buying 'bits' of them but they have lost my custom for anything more involved..... not because of the problem but because of their rubbish customer service.

Used to be so good too :-/

Im guessing "Paaaaaaat!"

I'm guessing RUNAROUND NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...................

but maybe I'm just too old 🙂

If Mark from CRC is reading this thread....

Hey Mark,

I've recently bought 2 front lights from a super-bargain-bin section (2 pounds each) and well to be honest mate... they're only really worth 2 pounds!

The bit that fits into the handlebars is too small for my awesome bike and therefor isnt fit for purpose... I could mount the light at a weird angle but this would clash with my other light... plus the light was only 2pounds so I've decided to give it to my girlfriend who knows nothing about cycling other than what i tell her.

I know that if you've spent time reading this you're probably thinking "what the f*** is this guy on about, is he complaining or what?!" and the answer is: nahhh i'm not complaining, its a 2pound front light! The batteries it came with are probably worth more than 2pounds and worse case scenario I could rig up the lights with some kind of sensor to scare the neighbours cat, or throw the batteries at the neighbours cat... everyones a winner*.

Hope you dont get in too much trouble dude with this whole bar-tape mess and it's all sorted out with everyone getting what they want (new bar tape for Adam, a tasty slice of cake for you and a healthy profit at the end of the year for your boss).

Regards,
Phil

*everyone's a winner except the bloody cat.

P.S Send me some free stuff, you know you want to 😉

Could be worse.
Could have been an £85 pair of Northwave shoes from Leisure Lakes.
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/north-wave-lizzard-shoes-sole-coming-unglued-warranty-or-fair-wear-tear

i'm sure Frank at CRC has chuff all else to do other than read your emails.

i think you should maybe give it a rest and chalk it up to experience. people like you who complain and stamp their feet at the slightest little thing really grind my gears. if your lucky you may get someone fired or in a lot of trouble over a £4 roll of tape - which is nice. should have bought something decent in the first place - or, as you said, read the reviews that mention the length. proper internet buying fail.

Get a BMX? They have proper grips.

I initially agreed with the OP. But now I am with CRC. It depends how you fit the product, so maybe a photo of you trying to fit it would have been helpful and/or measurements of your old bar tape.

CRC are not really at fault imo, as they said they have had no problems before. They could quite easily say that you are fitting it wrong!

Asking them to send out new bar tape without you sending the old stuff back is just stupid! The tape could be fine for all CRC know and you could just be pulling a fast one! Plus it wouldn't cost £4 to send it back! You should have worded the forst mail saying you think there may be a problem, and are returning it for them to have a look at, not demanding a replacement!

CRC are correct imo. I also think his emails are fine, clearly states the point that technically the bar tape is not faulty so they can't really replace it. They might have replaced it on a good will gesture but again I think you would have to send it back. If you had sent it back for them to look at I suspect you would have easily got a refund.

On another note - £4 for bar tape, must be thinner than paper! Prefer the the nice gel tape myself.

What bar tape are you getting instead?

I rate this [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Pro_Adhesive_Gel_Bar_Tape/5360036005/#buyitem ]Pro Bar Tape[/url] (Note: from Wiggle, might even get some Haribo with it!)

For what it is worth, I blacklisted CRC some time ago. Dispatch times were getting slow and no confidence in customer services. Having said that, Wiggle does seem to be slowing down a little bit as well.

Plenty of good ebay shops around though.

I don't think your emails were out of order, CRC are clearly in the wrong here. Internet Forums result in a lot of bad publicity, but people also take the time to mention good customer service as well. Had this been resolved quickly, CRC could have earned themselves a lot of (public) brownie points

argyle can you send me £4 and I will send you something utterly useless in return?
The price is no the rea issue whethe rhe spends £4 or £40 it should still do what it isdesigned to do. Granted £40 should look bettr and last longer etc but they should still cover the ****ing bars whatever the price

It's bar tape. Get over yourself. And technically CRC are right. If you bought trousers that were too short then it'd be your own fault. I suspect that the length is actually fine for a lot of people who just want their tape to end past the bend. It's bar tape. Get over yourself. And technically CRC are right. If you bought trousers that were too short then it'd be your own fault. I suspect that the length is actually fine for a lot of people who just want their tape to end past the bend.

CRC are not right, they are selling a product as road bar tape that does not fit standard road bars. Your trouser analogy doesn't work, if you catalogue ordered a set of trousers and they arrived with one leg missing you'd complain. The length should suit the majority of bars, and have a note saying it doesn't fit longer bars, or give a specific length. Otherwise they're selling a product that isn't fit.

CRC are not really at fault imo, as they said they have had no problems before. They could quite easily say that you are fitting it wrong!

They have had problems before (someone left feedback to point it out!). Unless he's trying to wrap his stem too I struggle to see how he could be messing it up!

people like you who complain and stamp their feet at the slightest little thing really grind my gears.

Eh? CRC are in the business of selling bike parts. Doesn't matter if it's a £4 part or a £40 part, it should do the job. As far as I can see, the OP doesn't want anyone sacked - he just wants some bar tape that works!

junkyard - I will send you some bike part as long as you tell me the stuff I already sent you is faulty with no proof. If a company worked like this it would be bankrupt!

You cant expect CRC to replace the part if they have no prrof it doesn't work!

Great thread Bradders, hope you get this resolved!
Hoj

Coffeking - Yes I see your point but they will get people trying it on all the time, just like folk that put forks on back to front, not everyone is installing parts correctly however simple to most folk they seem!

Not saying OP is like that, sure its legit. How many items are on CRC? I would doubt they have read all the reviews, would take days, as CRC have said the person never actually contacted them to say there was a fault so really in there eyes there was no fault.

Now they can persue it

You cant expect CRC to replace the part if they have no prrof it doesn't work!

A better analogy would be a selling a chain that wasn't long enough.

Mountain bike chain - £5

Take it out of the packet and fit and find out it's not long enough.

Nothing wrong with the product? and you now used it.