[Closed] I don't know what surprised me more. Just saw a brand new Trek Remedy 8.....

i cannot trackstand either(or wheelie/bunnyhop etc)

I'm amazed he was amazed that you could trackstand, not that he couldn't.

I have to wonder though, what is achieved by getting on someones bike and doing a trackstand, other than showing off the fact you can trackstand?

Is this a troll, or are you a bit of a pleb?

2010 Remedy somewhere around 27lb for the top model. That's three pounds lighter than my '06 Remedy 66, and it's stiffer, too. Now, where are those lottery tickets...

Amazed you could trackstand? Really? Is it really that impressive or useful on a moountain bike? Mind you I'm amazed how many experienced mountain bikers can't bunnyhop, which you'd think was a pretty essential trail skill.

Hang on alpin, yeah i thought so, put your c0ck back in its waving everywhere, weird that as your missus said it was "Like a button mushroom"

LOL. Funny thread.
I'm amazed that people are amazed that you were amazed that he was amazed you could trackstand.
I do wonder how he expressed his amazement though.

I'm amazed, truly amazed that I've wasted 30 seconds of my life reading this thread...

But surely someone who can afford to spend that much on a bike has to work so darn hard they have no time to practice trackstanding?

ha ha ha ha ha ha ROFL Harris.
I'm a bit lost too on why you would trackstand. a quick out the saddle sprint, ride up a low curb sat down, couple of tight turns, weigh it. that's all i can think of.

I'm amazed how many experienced mountain bikers can't bunnyhop, which you'd think was a pretty essential trail skill

...and yet somehow I manage.

alpin is teh G-narly freeride BRADcore dude

3500€ and he can't trackstand.....

so is the amount you spend on a bicycle proportionate to certain skillz?

If he had been on a cheaper bike would he only be able to ride one handed?

njee20.... why not.

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR........ no and maybe.

adstick...... yes

ROFL Harris..... funny. assuming you're five years old.

DezB..... think his exact words were "geil, wo hast du das gelernt?"

Simon Ralli ...... it would seem so.

muggomagic...... yes.

BRADcore...? what's that then?

I am amazed I don't know what a trackstand is...

I'm just amazed at this thread. Oh for the pre-internet days...

please supply a skills to bike value formula. i fear i may be on a bike that is too expensive

"3500€ and he can't trackstand....."
Your point?

People buy ferraris and porsches but can't powerslide* them?

A Remedy is supposed to be an allround MTB, not a trailsbike so why should someone who buys one 'have' to be able to do something not neccessary to ride an MTB?

*both balancing skills of sorts?

Trackstanding is far more important to me than my inability to bunnyhop/manual/wheelie. It means I can stop, look at an obstacle, get off and walk it and still look like I know what I am doing rather than all these fools who come sailing past in an instant and fly through without spotting the gnarly "not ever rideable by anyone... ever" line I am throwing myself down... on foot.

We need to start an 'alpin (I can trackstand) fan club'. He is a true mtb legend, a god among mere mortals 🙄

yes but those who buy ferraris and the like are mostly doing so so they can shout "LOOK AT ME!!!". many who own a ferrari aren't in a position to 'prove' their driving expertise. also, i'd be very much not inclined to practice powerslides in a VERY expensive car.

i can't wheelie. nor i can i execute a manual longer than 1-2m, but enough to get me through most sections of trail i encounter.

i would say that trackstanding is a more important 'on-trail' skill than either of those two (bunnyhop being the first)and certainly the easiest to learn. a trackstand allows you time to consider a line without having to un-click or dab or to compose yourself before commiting to something.

it seems odd to me that this guy has a 160mm full suss puppy's tescticles bike and yet hasn't mastered any basic skills.

Toddboy, if you would i'd be grateful 😆

I'm vaguely surprised that a shop sold him a Remedy if he couldn't trackstand. I suspect it's stolen...

so, hes got more money than you, and quite possibly better taste in bikes.

if you are trackstanding all the time on a trail, you aren't riding it anywhere near fast enough

NEXT

Wow all that money for a bike and he can't trackstand, you should have stolen the bike from him as clearly you're far better than him.

[i]silly lightweight... ~13kg[/i] pff my bike's lighter than that and I can't trackstand. Shoot me now.

Why did you trackstand anyway, is that what gnarlcore dudes do to test bikes? Could you not just have stopped and got off or were you at a set of traffic lights.

[i]yes but those who buy ferraris and the like are mostly doing so so they can shout "LOOK AT ME!!!". many who own a ferrari aren't in a position to 'prove' their driving expertise. also, i'd be very much not inclined to practice powerslides in a VERY expensive car.[/i]

So you know lots of people who own ferraris then?

[i]prob meet him this week and go for a ride. [/i] Yeh, I bet he doesn't turn up.

I've never encountered a situation on any trail where trackstanding was an essential (or even useful) skill.

Amazing!

it might be of use in 4cross,I too must be seriously underskilled for my bike, (who do I speak to so I can find out if I am allowed my bike as I am quite concerned now the skills police might have it off me) 😆

I've never encountered a situation on any trail where trackstanding was an essential (or even useful) skill.

I have. Once you can do it, you'd be surprised how often it comes in handy. 🙂
I can also bunnyhop up to about 18in (On flats. Doesn't feel right or safe to me that high on SPDs) For showing off, I trackstand with the front wheel at 90 degrees and both feet on the front wheel to balance, or do back hops, but I'm crap at wheelies.

Not bad for a fat bloke on a cheap bike....
😉

alpin please tell me you didn't chase after a stranger and ask him for a shot on his bike.

Trackstanding is useful, but I'm neither amazed or unamazed at peoples ability, or lack of, to be able to do a trackstand.

Trackstanding is very useful, especially round here when you are confronted by yet another huge rock wall and you have to pause to consider the best line. And take a breather!

[i] Mind you I'm amazed how many experienced mountain bikers can't bunnyhop, which you'd think was a pretty essential trail skill.[/i]

I find just raising the front wheel and grimacing works surprisingly well 🙂

<David Attenborough mode ON> [i]"And here amongst the undergrowth we find 'the pack' feasting on Alpins still twitching remains....." [/i]<David Attenborough mode OFF>

it seems odd to me that this guy has a 160mm full suss puppy's tescticles bike and yet hasn't mastered any basic skills.

Woah woah, hang on. I thought he couldn't trackstand? How do you know he didn't then ride of a 30ft cliff and pull a 360 tail whip?

I still find it odd that you asked for a go on a strangers bike, and did a trackstand on it. There's sod all difference whether you're doing a trackstand on a £50 Apollo or a £6000 Pinarello road bike!

I can do it, but I can't really bunny hop or wheelie or anything in a trials-y way. I can do both sufficiently to deal with trail obstacles, ie I can lift the front wheel up a foot or so to get up steps and such. Should I give you my bike?

I love this forum.

Perhaps he bought a decent bike because he wants to ride trails not tool about trackstanding trying to look cool (but failing as every knob on a fixie made it uncool years ago). And yes I can trackstand and no I don't find it a vital trail skill, more just a convenience to stop me having to unclip from time to time.

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Lynch mob? Nothing like that really though is it?
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"this guy has a 160mm full suss"
150mm full suss isn't it? (with 160mm forks)

"trackstanding is a more important 'on-trail' skill than either of those two"
I agree, but i don't think its neccessary/basic skill to be able to MTB.

"3500€ and he can't trackstand....."

Me neither, how much am I allowed to spend on a bike?

When he was showing amazement at your ability to trackstand did he show it by making a small up and down movement with his right hand loosely clenched in a fist

I've got a £3500 bike, I can't trackstand, can kind of bunnyhop small water bars, and can only wheelie/manual enough to get the front wheel up onto a ledge. However I can in my own incompetent way do stuff like the black at Laggan, the Torridon loop, Carn Ban Mor etc so I totally do not accept that these skills are essential.

Would I like to be able to wheelie, bunnyhop small buildings, trackstand all day - yes

At 53 and only seriously MTB'ing for 5/6years am I going to learn - probably not

Do I enjoy my riding - oh yes

i can't wheelie. nor i can i execute a manual longer than 1-2m...
it seems odd to me that this guy has a 160mm full suss puppy's tescticles bike and yet hasn't mastered any basic skills.

Er, how much travel does your DB Alpine have again? 🙄

my trackstanding skills leave a lot to be desired.

but one day i managed it for a number of minutes* so that i could allow a slightly nervous but very attractive, female, who was riding in the opposite direction, to pass in her own time.

she knew immediately that i was great in bed

the next day i traded in my £800 hardtail and spend £1950 on a full susser - because im worth it.

Would I like to be able to wheelie, bunnyhop small buildings, trackstand all day - yes

At 53 and only seriously MTB'ing for 5/6years am I going to learn - probably not

Do I enjoy my riding - oh yes

Ahhh, never say never.... I can't jump very well, but I learned to jump small doubles (Always had 'The Fear' before) at about 38... 🙂 It can be done!

corrr, you all been busy, ain't ya?

so what most of you are admitting is that you're shit. end of. i win.

😉

Alpin is now going to post some photographic evidence to prove how good a rider he is, and not shit like everybody else is on this thread......

[i]so what most of you are admitting is that you're shit. end of. i win. [/i]

Maybe not shite exactly, but we're clearly nowhere near as good as you. To be honest I don't think there are many that are.

it seems odd to me that this guy has a 160mm full suss puppy's tescticles bike and yet hasn't mastered any basic skills.

The new Remedys are 150mm ...

:meow:

I wasn't saying that I was shit, I was saying that you're shit.

I have no idea whether that's actually true or not, but I do know I've never broken a set of forks from ineptly riding off a kerb. 😉

Alpin - think you got well and truely anilated there ! I can see slightly where your comming from as I assume you meant that you assumed because he was so suprised that someone could trackstand you assumed he also had a low bike skill level for such a nice bike i.e. All the Kit but no idea.

I can manual a bit and trackstand does come in useful for low speed tech parts of the trail if you bodged up the line etc. BUt I think the OP was open to the STW mob - I guess you have a thick skin 😉

Frau Foxy, that was exactly my assuption. that someone with a decent bike had some skills to go with it. all the gear no idea indeed.

and going back to the ferrari analogy; would you learn your driving skills in a ferrari or would you more than likely not learn in a ferrari (even if you had the cash) and learn to drive something more sedate?

I guess you have a thick skin

[i]can see slightly where your comming from as I assume you meant that you assumed because he was so suprised that someone could trackstand you assumed he also had a low bike skill level for such a nice bike[/i]

Sorry but where exactly are you coming from?

Sorry but where exactly are you coming from?

Devon?

"someone with a decent bike had some skills to go with it. all the gear no idea indeed."

You're basing this on just one skill which is arguably not neccessary to go MTBing though?

I imagine a remedy would shine on faster rougher trails too and maybe they like to crash through everything (perhaps more fun than riding around everything), not just slow-techy trails where trackstanding could come in useful

Trackstands are only useful if you use SPDs, in which case you are an XC weeny anyway and your views are meaningless.

Trackstands are useful if you use flats, in which case you lack any skills anyway and your views are meaningless

EDIT: Joking

Is that the sound of Alpin sorting through his photos trying to find some good examples of what a great rider he is...No? Thought not.

In future, perhaps all those who chuckle at those who they refer to as 'all the gear no idea' types could also kindly post up some kind of evidence to show they are truly Gods gift to riding a bike so that we can all judge for ourselves? Thanks.

Trackstands are only useful if you use SPDs, in which case you are an XC weeny anyway and your views are meaningless.

It looked to me like the majority of the world championship downhillers were using SPD's. Are they also "XC weenies"? I also didn't see many of them trackstanding, or the XC racers for that matter - but you can't expect them to all have alpins technical ability...

Sorry was just entering into the spirit of the thread. 🙂

[i] Foxyrider - Member

Sorry but where exactly are you coming from?

Devon? [/i]

Ah that explains a lot.

Garry_ M - Oh Ha ha.

My post was highlighting what the OP was meaning i.e. Aplin was infering that becuase the guy was impressed by a trackstand whilst on a high spec bike then his other skill were lackin. It was not mean't to suggest that I agreed or disagreed with his opinion.

I am of the opinion just beacuase I could probably afford/save up for a higher spec/costing bike than I have already doesn't mean I will or need go out an buy one. Everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they like. Not my concern and there is always another side to a story. Perhaps the bike owner was skillful but not able to do a trackstand? Who knows - we'll never know but it doesn't stop people having an opinion (for or against) the situation surely?

Only here could we have an arguement which is essentially about someone's ability to balance. 🙂

i can trackstand without using my hands or feet. I simply use my kinetic powers of self satisfaction.

This is why I never have an amazing bike. 😀

guido... bet you can't. even i can't do that....

Track standing what good is that? I would rather just dab my feet on the floor. Its not even that hard to do, on the few times I have had a go its was not really hard to do for a short period of time. I know someone who can wheelie a bike like you will never see, but he cant pedal up any hills. I would have thought getting up hills would have been much more handy for mountain biking. If I was him I would have though get of my bike you cock and stop being jealous of my superior machine.

Bit of a highjack, but PeterPoddy, how did you manage to conquor "the fear"?

I'm just AMAZED he let you, a total stranger, have a ride around on his brand spanking new, posh bike!

I assume if you had been on a battered old Apollo and wearing a Burberry cap, not a helmet, he might have thought twice about it?

thikcer than most......

Priceless...