Junkyard, difference is your dad was breaking the law.
winston - Member
Brilliant - thought the OP got idiotic post of the month till stabilizer piped up
Posts like this don't add anything to the debate whatsoever and appear to be trolling.
That's the problen thought THM, you survived hence you can type on here, literally millions didn't.
I literally think you don't know what literally means.
My little girl holds an adult's hand when she crosses the road. Should I do the same to set an example?
Millions of adults have not survived riding on cycle paths without a helmet - where was the smiley???
Forget the Great War, we should be teaching the Great Cycle Massacres 1970-1998. One of the great tragedies of modern UK history.
Ben, Yes, Literally.
I understand the meanings of lots of words, bilaterally (that's double literally to you).
How many hours of community service/months at HM pleasure should the evil dad get? Hopefully as many as the dad I saw walking across the fields without a map and compass or a bivvi bag last night - and with his kids. Shocking. Irresponsible parenting seems to be everywhere these days. Time to make a stand.....
I literally laughed my head off when I read your literal comment 🙂
My dear OP, I didn't see any debate - just a very silly and inflammatory post calling me a **** as neither I nor my wife would dream of wearing helmets on a cycle path.
I therefore replied with same.
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difference is your dad was breaking the law.
Only one was and it was as an add on what about the rest?
THM seemed to think anything we did in the past was safe as we are still alive - its a poor argument as his subsequent posts show
If he had a rational argument he would be making it rather than doing straw man stuff like this - high marks for that then form a student eh
My little girl holds an adult's hand when she crosses the road. Should I do the same to set an example?
I think you are an adult and the example you set is using the green cross code to cross.
Daddy has a tribal arm sleeve tattoo and a £50 hairstyle... Obviously doesn't want to mess up his look
I'd suggest it's more of a problem of setting an example to the kids.+1
If your children do not understand that there are different rules for children and adults and that untill they reach adulthood you are ultimately the boss of them, you are in shit street.
And don't say I did not tell you so when little johnny rings childline because you removed his Xbox, or calls the police when grounded.
Even for a pootle with the kids if you can increase your chances of not dieing, why wouldn't you?
Would you wear one to go for a walk? If you were walking along a cycle path, I reckon your chances are just about as high being hit by bicycle, than falling off one. And after all, if it increases your chances of not dieing...
Granted, we should set a good example. But do we want to reinforce the idea that cycling is inherently dangerous? I'm not convinced that's a good example to set. I'd like my kids to be able to think rationally, rather than see everything as black and white.
there are different rules for adults and children but there is also hypocrisy.
I would argue the helmet is in that camp and you need to be a role model to your kids, If they wear one I wear one and vice versa.
cycling round a camp site on grass we will take our chances for example
Firstly, stop saying 'oh how did I ever survive as a kid without a helmet?' It's a piss poor argument, as even a moment's thought will reveal. Also, quite a few kids didn't survive, perhaps they might if they'd had a helmet.
Secondly, in the OP's scenario, did you consider that it might be the woman who insists on helmets for the kids and the man couldn't be persuaded? Or are women dutifully submissive to their man in your world?
Was daddy wearing a hi-viz jacket as well. Can't be too careful on cycle paths these days. Occasionally there is some wheel grabbing gravel that could have devastating consequences
Need to have a word with son's teachers next. They, and senior boys, cycle around school sans casquette even riding over speed bumps. So irresponsible, where is the report button.....
Perhaps, mol, perhaps....
Until then we should take all precautions when using those dangerous cycle paths. The stats are shocking aren't they?
I don't wear a helmet when out with the kids at 3 miles an hour but they do...
I also don't let them smoke, drink beer, light the BBQ, use a circular saw or a number of other things that I do because I am an adult and they are not.
I hope it doesn't scar them too much in later life 🙄
I wear a helmet when out with the kids, because I want helmet wearing to be a habit for all of us. Same as wearing a seatbelt in the car. You don't generally know when an accident is going to happen so you can take precautions beforehand.
It should be an automatic thing - then it never becomes an issue. There simply isn't a debate in our house. So when the kids are 14 and out on their own, they will probably wear a helmet because it's the normal thing to do. They won't be wondering when they are old enough to go without at the same age they are neurologically predisposed to poor safety decision making.
Until then we should take all precautions when using those dangerous cycle paths. The stats are shocking aren't they?
It's not because there might be a risk on a cyclepath. It's because I want them to become habituated. And I want myself to be habituated also.
Do you do risk assessments on every cycleway? You research befor ehand and see if there's any road crossings or sections beforehand? Do you check the accident stats for every section? I don't.
My kids wear helmets and when they see me just sitting on a bike I get told off.
Set a good example.
The kids granny had a head injury last March.
3 hours to live unless she was operated on.
4 weeks in a coma.
6 weeks in high dependency unit.
Another 12 weeks in hospital.
Still has on-going hospital visits.
Nearly 15 month on,
She's walking but very unsteady,
Talks rubbish,
Forget's stuff.
And she's been one of the very lucky ones.
Type of accident?
Weeding in the garden.
Why wouldn't you wear a helmet when riding a bike and save a lot of people a whole load of grief?
This past 15 month have been proper SHIT for our family. Do other people a favour.
Well this whole thread is about a dad being a hypocrite and a **** for not wearing a helmet on a cycle path. So excuse me for sticking to the topic. I prefer at least some debate in my household and kids who are capable of making up their own minds.
I wear a helmet most but not all times, so yes I make an assessment every time I go out. I love riding without a helmet and wouldn't want to stop anyone else doing the same things with or without kids.
Sorry for your accident FF but what relevance does an accident weeding the garden have to a dad riding on a cycle path?
And don't say I did not tell you so when little johnny rings childline because you removed his Xbox, or calls the police when grounded.
sorry dad 😆
So when the kids are 14 and out on their own, they will probably wear a helmet because it's the normal thing to do
Whilst I wish this were true, they will look at what their mates are doing and do that. No kid wants to be the odd one out, even for something as simple as this.
Type of accident?Weeding in the garden.
Why wouldn't you wear a helmet when riding a bike and save a lot of people a whole load of grief?
Why wouldn't you wear a helmet when gardening, then?
Ok.. they will be *slightly* more likely to...
I prefer at least some debate in my household and kids who are capable of making up their own minds.
Me too, and that's at the forefront of our parenting every day. However, they are still only 2 and 5 so I still think it's a little early to entrust them with every decision.
Whilst I wish this were true, they will look at what their mates are doing and do that. No kid wants to be the odd one out, even for something as simple as this.
so we make the stand now, get all of the kids wearing helmets
snow sports made helmets acceptably 'cool' why can't cycling? 🙄
It's a piss poor argument, as even a moment's thought will reveal.
It is I agree
Well this whole thread is about a dad being a hypocrite and a * for not wearing a helmet on a cycle path
no it is about him making his kids wear one and his wife and not wearing one himself
I look fwd to seeing you call troll on that point or seeing you go woosh now - i bet you just ignore it as you certainly wont admit your error
Mummy in the middle, she's sensible she's wearing a helmet and then there's big bad Daddy at the back. He's clearly aware of the safety reasons for wearing a helmet as he's made his kids and wife wear one but not chosen to wear one himself, Daddy's a hypocrit, Daddy's a *
Bon chance
Until helmets are made compulsory by law people can take them or leave them.
You are free to make judgment and keep it to yourself as the thought police do not exist YET.
But to call some one a hypocrite and a **** and bring there parenting skills in to disrepute because their views on how they live their lives lawfully in a free society are not the same as your own is outrageous.
You need to mind you own business in a literal sense.
snow sports made helmets acceptably 'cool' why can't cycling?
Now, I don't pretend to be 'down with the kids' but surely pisspots are not particularly uncool? A fair proportion of kids seem to wear them?
chip - Member
But to call some one a hypocrite and a **** and bring there parenting skills in to disrepute because their views on how they live their lives lawfully in a free society are not the same as your own is outrageous.
...and just a silly idea. The risks on a leisurely evening cycle ride along a cycle path are very small. Perspective and understanding of risks are better life skills than unquestioning adherence to others' views.
Which is better parenting? Not that it matters, it's your own choice after all.
Flatfish: do you wear a gardening helmet? If not, why not?
And I like this from the OP :
He's clearly aware of the safety reasons for wearing a helmet as he's made his wife wear one
"You are my property now woman and you'll dress as I say"
I love these threads as they show very well that even cyclists hate cycling sometimes.
Well if literally millions die on cycle paths, perhaps we should all hate cycling. Sounds like a stupid idea to me.
I wouldn't wear a helmet to pop round to the corner shop for a packet of fags. And I wouldn't expect my kids to either.
[url= http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/not-dangerous/ ]Cycling isn't dangerous[/url]
Doesn't scoobys link look a nice place to live.
Although their A&Es must be wall to wall cracked skulls. 😀
I think the issue is more about setting a good example rather than safety concerns over a pootle with the kids. Yes walking across a field you would be more safer wearing a helmet but you don't usually. When riding bikes little kids don't go very fast, but they will/might when they get older. Better to instill in them the need to wear a helmet from an early age, no?
And why does it necessarily follow that wearing a helmet = looks like an dork/idiot, this is an attitude we need to be steering away from. In the situation mentioned above, the odd one out kid is happier in his choice because he prefers to be safer. The more people who think that wearing a helmet when cycling = the norm, the better.
& yes perhaps I said the wrong thing about Daddy making wife wear one, of course wife makes her own choice. You don't consider how people will jump on every word when you write the Op.
The easiest way to get young kids to wear helmets is to wear one yourself. Once they're teenagers you'll have more luck persuading them if you don't wear a helmet yourself and claim that going without makes you look cooler.
You don't consider how people will jump on every word when you write the Op.
😀 and you have been here for around two years already!?!
The more people who think that wearing a helmet when cycling = the norm, the better.
Agree to disagree. Very sad day when that becomes accepted wisdom (sic)
The more police/magistrates/insurance companies who think that wearing a helmet when cycling = the norm, the more likely it is that we will be lectured/let down in court/not get compensation
And it all starts with people thinking like the OP
but surely pisspots are not particularly uncool? A fair proportion of kids seem to wear them?
Mine all wear them. Few stickers or a design with blood and skulls and stuff, they love em. It's never even been a point of debate really.
Because they don't get themselves into an internet froth about insufficient venting they also wear them on scooters, skateboards etc. where the chances of 'smashing out your brainbox' as one eloquently described it are a bit higher.
Brilliant.Daddy's so tired and skint he doesn't care if he lives or dies
My kids are like the helmet police so there's no way any one of us would get away without wearing one. They even lecture random strangers.
The more police/magistrates/insurance companies who think that wearing a helmet when cycling = the norm, the more likely it is that we will be lectured/let down in court/not get compensationAnd it all starts with people thinking like the OP
thats it im removing the reflectors and bell/wearing black then its somebody else's fault not mine. 😐
(yes im trolling cos im bored at work)
If people decide to make their own choices about safety, how likely do you think they are to always make the correct one?
If we always wear one out of habit, then the worst thing that'll happen vs the alternative is we get a hot head or a messed up hairdo.
If we decide the risk is low and we're wrong, then the worst that can happen vs the alternative is a serious head injury.
They even lecture random strangers.
Which, if STW has taught me anything, is a valuable life skill. 😉
the op said it was hypocritical to have your family wear one and not wear one yourself as he has again pretty much on this page.
I am pro choice as well for helmet wearing and do not think they should be compulsory.
If it is then it should be for walking as well and scooters
My kids school insists kid cyclists wear helmets and they check bikes* - you can do what you like if you come on a scooter though.
* I use the word check in the loosest possible sense of the word. they checked the brakes worked basically. This year I just refused to sign unless they asked for MOT certs of all cars and insurance etc and gave some stats showing that more children died in cars and walking than on bikes so they were targeting the wrong group- they were ok [ ish] about this.
What helmet do you wear for your driving, molgrips?
As a child my dad taught me to always wear a helmet, he didnt always wear one, as i got older he explained its not about always wearing ppe its about jusging when it is appropriate, I always wear a helmet a an adult and he does now as well. but we have been know to take them off on fire track or canal side etc. The point is teaching kids about appropriate judgment is importand and prepares them to know what the right thing is later in life. As a child i was incapable of making this judgement as an adult i hope that i am not.
