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And as above, man up. You can fill up with water when you get home. You won't die if you get a bit dehydrated
Lol.
Why not put sand in your shorts, that'll be uncomfortable too. Tie some bricks to string and tow them along the road. Oh yeah, let all the air out of your tyres, that'll be really hardcore
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Bloody masochistic roadies!
Bloody masochistic roadies!
Mollycoddled MTB'ers 8)
Why carry a load of unneeded stuff?
Even on the MTB a bottle or two, a tube and multitool in a seat pouch,pump on frame clips and off you go
I think most people carry as much as they think they need or might need.
Just a case of what's considered important. I don't carry spare brake pads for instance, but I have lost pad material on a ride once. So it's risk vs inconvenience of the potential fault vs inconvenience to carry. All subjective.
I use a zip up case for a car stereo face-off thingy in my back pocket with my phone, iPod, pump, spare tube, tyre levers, and a couple of squids... It's reassuring to know nothing will ever go walkabout 🙂
seat pack - 2 tubes two tyre levers and set of patches [ spare lights Knog ones for winter] decent pump on frame
Use a bum bag type thing with food, money etc bit more secure than pockets and fits a fair amount in for commute if/when required.
rather ttake too much than find myself ****ed 60 miles from home tbh
Don't know if it's just me, but these pocket/mini pumps are useless. The most I've ever managed with one is about 70PSI then my arms were to tired to support my body on the bars.
I always ask the newcommers to the local road group if they've tried their pumps in anger...stop it.
Anyway that's personally why I don't bother.
Got a Road Morph which is most excellent, but a bit chunky. Ideal for things like HONC or the Rapha HOTN where youre going on/off road. Simply not cool enough otherwise.
yes I have seen folk with pumps you can fit in your palm and they tell you how little they weight.
No pump is that heavy really and whether it will get to 100psi + quickly is more important than a few saved gramms.
Don't know if it's just me, but these pocket/mini pumps are useless.
i have a small carbon pump that also takes co2, can do 70psi by hand if needed which is fine for a 65k rider or 100plus with co2
If you're on road and only ever a certain radius from home is it not easier to just take £20 and a phone - get a puncture (or any tech issue) and call a cab home...
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That's a Stefan Wesserman recommended pump, will get to 120 psi with a a bit of effort...
The half bottle contains two tubes, CO2 inflator, tyre levers for other peoples tyres, and a 4, 5, 6mm allen key for new bike adjustments.
Mountain bikers don't seem to be able to leave the house without 10 tons of crap...
Mountain bikers don't seem to be able to leave the house without 10 tons of crap...
Nope, we even ride with hairs on our legs.
Don't know if it's just me, but these pocket/mini pumps are useless. The most I've ever managed with one is about 70PSI
I've got a Topeak one. I punctured on the way to work on Thursday and really made the effort with the pump to get it up good and hard. Pumped, paused to put stuff away then carried on pumping. Took a while but I was satisfied. Friday morning I put the track pump on thinking I'd need to top up - 120psi! Had to let some out! Quite proud of myself there 🙂
Point is Flow, water consumption is personal and depenedent on circumstances so there really are no hard and fast rules.
Indeed as fourbanger says - and drinking too much is as unhelp as too little - most of us don't need the gallons some MTBers think needed
You are actually supposed to drink a litre an hour when exercising.
Much easier to do that with a Camelbak on.
So with the biggest camelbak it is only possible to ride for 3 hours non-stop? And even if you have that biggest camelbak, you're only carrying twice as much as two 750ml bottles, so it isn't a massive advantage.
"Litre an hour" is surely rubbish if you think about it for even half a second, as it doesn't take into account weather and exercise intensity. If I do the hour ish long ride into work on a cold day and aren't in a hurry, I don't really need any water. Same if I go for an hours walk. If I hurry into work on a hot summer's day, I get through half a bottle of water easily. I've done a relaxed hundred miler in December on two bottles of water / energy drink and felt okay afterwards, and also a 30 mile race in summer with a similar amount and felt dehydrated after.
I've always understood from walking / running stuff that you're supposed to aim to drink to match the amount you piss out and sweat. Any less and you get dehydrated. Any more and you risk drinking too much and having problems with that. You can tell if you're dehydrated by looking at your piss - "pee clear like a mountaineer" as they say.
Oh and I love my frame fit pump.
Mini pumps are okay, and a few of them will put a tyre up to high pressure if you really fight with them. But with a frame fit pump it is easy to get to normal tyre pressure even on a road bike. If you go out in a group of road bikers, most of them will have mini pumps for the 50g weight saving, but any time someone has a puncture, they'll always borrow the frame fit pump off whoever has one.
I might have this totally wrong, but didn't someone fit some years back at Trentham because they drank too much water? something to do with flushing out their system??
I was there and that was the rumour 😐
molgrips I can only assume you have big guns 😉
they'll always borrow the frame fit pump off whoever has one
Ditto when I have my Road Morph.
Indeed as fourbanger says - and drinking too much is as unhelp as too little - most of us don't need the gallons some MTBers think needed
Depends on the conditions, though - similar to what joemarshall says, "a litre an hour" would almost certainly be a bad idea in Scotland in March, but probably wouldn't be enough doing XC in the Alps in August.
I might have this totally wrong, but didn't someone fit some years back at Trentham because they drank too much water? something to do with flushing out their system??
I was there and that was the rumour
Don't know about that specific case but there is a definite risk of overdrinking water (hyponatremia), which is why sports drinks are better for you than plain water alone if you're doing long distance events.
Small saddle pack with 2 tubes, a multi tool and a phone
Frame mounted pump [ [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/genuine-innovations-second-wind-carbon-road-pump/ ]Wiggle bargin[/url] ]
Everything else I need, food, clothing etc. goes in jersey pockets but I wish some of the jersey manufacturers would make deeper pockets, some are great but a lot are not
mogrim, good shout.
Consuming excessive water during exercise (exertional hyponatremia or exercise-associated hyponatremia (EAH)). Because sodium is lost through sweat, drinking too much water during endurance activities, such as marathons and triathlons, can dilute sodium content in blood.
Sounds like what happened according to the gossip
This is all very well but where do I keep my clenbuterol impregnated steak on a road ride?
Where your chamois would normally be.
Ok I was wrong. You don't really need to drink any water at all. In fact if you don't drink for 5 days prior to riding, you will be 20% faster. If you want to be quicker still, don't eat for a few days either...
You lot do make me chuckle, will argue with anything, even scientific fact.
Instead of spending five minutes writing bs replies, use them five minutes and do so research about water consumption during intense exercise, you might actually learn something, a shocking thought I know!
+1 for saddle bag and pockets. Use a tri bag for cereal bars for longer rides/winter. Would never wear a camelback - one of the things i love about the road bike is having nothing on your back. For racing i carry nothing but 1 bottle of energy drink/emergency cereal bar.
Went mtb'ing yesterday, second time this year, was a shock to carry such a heavy pack - 3 litres of water, waterproof and some food. Ouchie. 3 litres was gone by the time i got back to the car (just over a 3 hour ride) whereas on the road bike, i'd have drunk 2 700ml bottles in that time.
flow - MemberYou lot do make me chuckle, will argue with anything, even scientific fact.
Lets see your Evidence that is scientific fact for you must drink a litre an hour when exercising regardless any other factors?
I have a mate who drinks much less than me - struggles to finish the water he's brought usually, and always needs to wee during a ride. I drink probably double and never need to pee on a ride. And I've usually not got much to empty when I get home either. I sweat a lot more than he does though...
We clearly have way different water requirements.
Went mtb'ing yesterday, second time this year, was a shock to carry such a heavy pack - 3 litres of water, waterproof and some food. Ouchie. 3 litres was gone by the time i got back to the car (just over a 3 hour ride) whereas on the road bike, i'd have drunk 2 700ml bottles in that time
Didn't you say on the other thread though that you felt better? Perhaps cos you drank more water on your ride?
Lets see your Evidence that is scientific fact for you must drink a litre an hour when exercising regardless any other factors?
How about you Google it?
And I didn't say regardless of any other factors, obviously intensity, temperature and how much the individual sweats are a factor, as well as if they are hydrated enough prior to exercise.
Edit: I think Molgrips is the only one with a braincell!
Didn't you say on the other thread though that you felt better? Perhaps cos you drank more water on your ride?
Nah, it was other factors contributing to how i've been feeling/lack of power.
Edit: I think Molgrips is the only one with a braincell!
Yeehah! Recognition at last! 😉
DG - 3l is a lot for a 3 hour ride, I wouldn't take quite that much unless it was proper baking hot.
Ah - so a litre an hour is not a necessity as proven by science then?
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/10/part-i-history-of-fluid-intake-and.html
Flow, you might want to have a little look at the subject yourself and reflect that your knowledge may need updating. Molgrips certainly has more than one braincell; you can hear them both rattling when he thinks hard.
I was thirsty! That said, I always finish 3 litres on the mtb, more if its hot/a long ride. It wasn't hot yesterday - pretty cold in fact, so i'd have run out if it had been hot.
Its a totally personal thing and my consumption seems to vary depending on sport - runs up to half mara distance = just a few sips of water, mtb'ing = always 3l, road varies depending on intensity/distance/hills - anything from 2 bottles to 6, weight training - 1.5 bottles in 1hr30.
FWIW I did an 11.5hr ride on Saturday, and drank the following:
5 cans sport drink (Aquarius)
1 can Coca Cola
6 bottles mineral water (@500ml each) (approx - some of them I drank straight from the bottle, some got dumped in the Camelbak. Might have been more.)
1l from the Camelbak before I started refilling.
About 6l in total, roughly half a litre an hour.
It was warm - max about 25C - and near the coast so humid. Not as bad as Madrid in summer, but bad enough. Lots of hills, too - 165km and over 3000m climbing.