A quick Google suggests it's a Ribble Dececcai EM2. Which did have a claimed weight of 950g.

However, a [url= https://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12592043 ]BikeRadar post[/url] had this about one of their other frames of the time.

I have a Ribble Scandium SC61.10A 56cm.
It's quoted weight is 1050g.
The actual weight is 1370g, so be warned.

So under 7kg is certainly pretty unlikely, and just shows why claimed weights are not reliable!

I imagine an unpainted 49cm bike with no headset cups, mech hanger, seat clamp or cable guides maybe was 950g! They refer to it as "raw frame weight".

I very much doubt Lance had aero rims and a power meter in 1999…

Dunno if he did or didn't, but others were definately racing with SRM's in the late 90's.

It's a sponsorship thing though.  If you're sponsored by SRM then your race bike will have an SRM on it whether it's light or not!

And they often have at least three bikes even back then, a climbing bike, an aero bike and a TT bike.  Even the early Madone's had an aero version which AFAIK was just the same frame with an aero seatube and weighed about 150g more than the 'SL' climbing version.

So he may well have had a 16lb bike for the alps, and a 19lb for the flat first week. No one rides the TdF on 'a' bike, so you can't really say "so and so rode the TdF on a .....lb bike"

I don't think anyone had an aero bike (or particualrly aero bits) in 1999. Lance rode a Trek 5500 throughout (TTs aside where he had a re-badged Litespeed), quite probably had an SRM though.

The original Madone in 2004 was an aero frame. For 2005 they did a Madone SL with a conventional round seatpost, and a 'normal' Madone which was more aero and heavier. They dropped that and continued just with the SL until the redesigned it in 2008 to again be more aero, with a semi-ISP and what not.

The last year before the weight limit (2003?) Lance had a OCLV Boron Madone SL which got down way below 6.8kg, then the UCI spoiled everyone's fun! It was only really then that aero stuff proliferated, because there was no longer an advantage to going crazy light on everything.

The last year before the weight limit (2003?) Lance had a OCLV Boron Madone SL which got down way below 6.8kg, then the UCI spoiled everyone’s fun! It was only really then that aero stuff proliferated, because there was no longer an advantage to going crazy light on everything.

See my link on the previous page 😉

2007 Spesh Roubaix, Cost £1800 & weighs 8.35kg sans pedals. If i spent £1900 on one today i'd end up with a bike weighing 9.8kg albeit with discs. Progress eh?

As a serial frame weigher, I think real weigh being 20% over claimed weight is realistic these days.

eg My Supersix hi mod - 860gm (700 claimed IIRC)

2007 Spesh Roubaix, Cost £1800 & weighs 8.35kg sans pedals. If i spent £1900 on one today i’d end up with a bike weighing 9.8kg albeit with discs. Progress eh?

That's a little unfair - 5% inflation in 10 years. At £2,500 it's probably closer, and discs will skew it anyway.

As a serial frame weigher, I think real weigh being 20% over claimed weight is realistic these days.

Probably not far off. I think mine was claimed 800g and real of 920g albeit custom painted, so they can't account for that.

OK, so you got me doubting myself, and I have little to do at work so here the Ribble bike numbers pulled from weightweenies.

Easy to get the bike under 6kg, so I don't think 7kg taking the piss!

Edit - let me try that again

That list doesn’t seem to include tubes, chain, bar tape , cables or brakes

Mine is a 2018 allez Elite Redhook, road.cc have it at 8.77kg / 19.33lbs as tested, I've changed the following:

Wheels - from stock DTSwiss R460's on no mark hubs to Fulcrum Racing Quattros - same weight

Tyres & Tubes - from Spesh Espoir Sport Wire bead & tubes to Vittoria Corsa G+ with Conti Racelite tubes, weighed at 350g lighter

Saddle & Post - Spesh Toupe Sport & bogo alloy post to Spesh Power Expert & FSA SL-K Carbon post, weighed at 300g lighter.

So including cages & Garmin mount (we'll call it 150g all in) I reckon the bike is 8.27kg / 18.23lbs

Not bad for an alloy framed, carbon forked 105 equipped bike with a 11-32 cassette and a fancy paint job.

Photo before new saddle & post

That list doesn’t seem to include tubes, chain, bar tape , cables or brakes

And comes to a total under 6kg

350g for calipers, 250g for brakes, 100g for cables, its still well under 7kg.....

So what do the unmentioned things weigh?

then, what do the things you have listed actually weigh?

or are we going down the, well travelled, ‘my enduro bike has a 100g saddle to total weight must be 23lbs’ road

So what do the unmentioned things weigh?
then, what do the things you have listed actually weigh?
or are we going down the ‘my enduro bike has a 100g saddle to total weight must be 23lbs’ road

I am not claiming a specific weight, but other forumites seem to believe its impossible for a scummy Ribble bike to be lightweight. As I said I never weighed it but know from experience that it was very light. And I think the numbers prove that its somewhere near 7kg. You could say 7.5kg if you doubt the claimed weights, its still a very light bike for £1k in 2005.

Ignore this

Chorus brakes 302 g each
Chorus chain 250 g
Conti race light tubes 65 g each
Cables/ outers 200 g approx
Fizik Performance Bar Tape 52 g
That’s over another kilo

Chorus brakes are listed at 350g for the pair in 2005.

200g for cables, what are they made of? Lead? Outers are listed at 39g/m

Noone is saying the ribble is scummy.. But its a 13 year old alloy frame. I would be willing to bet a significant amount of cash that it doesn't weigh 950 gr. I mean how many sub 1kg alloy frames are there on sale today

As has been said you can't take manufacturers claimed weights and just add them all up. Also, you haven't factored in the pedals which are kind of important . I'd say all in its more like 8kg, which is still bloody good for an alu frame roadie even now.

My Roadie is light, 6.1kg incl peddles and cage.

If I put my light rims on its 5.8kg..

Haven’t ridden it for a couple of years mind, so if you add the dust in it must weight 7kgs 😜

Bike weighs 76 kilos with me on it and 7 kilos without.

Defy SL with dura ace and pslr 0 aero carbon clinchers. Ultegra cassette (a la pro).

If you think weight doesn’t matter, at least one rider has been DQd for riding a national race with an underweight bike.

My TT bike is seriously heavy. My race bike is about 7.4 kilos with HED wheels. My fixed Kona is about 8.5 kilos.

I don’t worry too much about weight.

I think my boardman 2012 team edition carbon weighs about 8kg.

Feels light to me as the last road ish bike was one of their CX bikes that weighed more than my full suss.

All a bit meh as I weigh 3.7 medium sized planets.

Still, riding a lighter bike does feel good, assuming it can take the strain and not flex like a rubber band of course.

My 2001 S-Works road bike (this is before they split it to Tarmac, Allez etc)

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That's bang on 17lb on the digital scales in my bike shop.

Dura Ace 7800 10sp groupset, American Classic Sprint 250 wheels, carbon fork, bar, stem, seatpost. It's actually really impressive when you consider the technological advances over the last 17 years that it could come in that light. Front end is a bit flexy though when compared to modern bikes.

My Condor Fratello Disc is 22lbs - think that might include mudguards and pedals.

But like myself, it's built for comfort, not speed.

Careful crazy legs, its been proven on this here thread that any alloy bike that's over 3 years old could never be under 10kg!

Maybe some people don't like the fact that a 13 year old alloy bike could weigh a similar amount to there modern carbon superbikes that cost them a second mortgage!

Careful crazy legs, its been proven on this here thread that any alloy bike that’s over 3 years old could never be under 10kg!

In the numerous edits I made of that post to try and get the picture to embed, I accidently edited the weight. It's 17lb. Seventeen.

Still not bad, that's 7.7kg.

Maybe some people don’t like the fact that a 13 year old alloy bike could weigh a similar amount to there modern carbon superbikes that cost them a second mortgage

Erm, you have not demonstrated that to be a fact, not even close.

Chorus brakes are listed at 350g for the pair in 2005.

200g for cables, what are they made of? Lead? Outers are listed at 39g/m

Oops, my mistake on the brakes, Dura-ace are 205 g a set according to weight weenies.

I still think sub 7 kg is not an easy ask. My 58 cm bike has claimed weights of frame/fork of 1300 g, wheels 1400 g, Ultegra groupset 2309 g, lightweight finishing parts incl 23 mm tyres, carbon seat post/bars. But in the real world still weighs 7.5 kg.

21.5kg! 😆

Erm, you have not demonstrated that to be a fact, not even close.

Erm, sub 7kg on listed weights, so even with a bit leeway and a set of pedals its still around 7.5kg in my estimation.

And QRs...and whatever else you've "forgotten"...in your "estimation" 😀

Quite the bargain though obvs.  Presumably you've got a 5kg bike just now that you put together for £450? 😀

2007 Spesh Roubaix, Cost £1800 & weighs 8.35kg sans pedals. If i spent £1900 on one today i’d end up with a bike weighing 9.8kg albeit with discs.

Well mine cost £1,100 (even at full RRP it was only £1400) and it's 8.28kg

This is the best I can do I`m afraid, seeing as I don't have the bike any longer. Feel free to tell me which bits are wrong, and I know there are a few minor bits missing like wheel skewers and bar tape, but it shows the bike is easily in the ball park of 7kg.

I have also included actual vs claimed weights were they are available.

10 seconds on Google yielded someone saying their 52cm EM2 frame actually weighed 1200g, so add 250g there.

You're still missing tubes, bar tape, rim tapes and skewers from your list, combined that could easily be 400g. You've also cherry picked the lightest reported weights of things and you've not got actual weights on things where there's often a lot of variation - wheels can easily be 100g over claimed.

It's a nice bike (for its day), it's a light bike, but surely you can see why people are questioning you, not least because you don't actually know what it weighed and are just making up numbers based on what you think it should weigh! You even said you "guess" it weighs under 7kg, people are just pointing out why your guess is almost certainly wrong. I'd say 8kg is realistic.

Out of interest, does anyone know what the lightset aluminium road frame weighs?

IIRC Kinesis claimed 700gm for the Aithein, whic is obvs horse****, and I'm sure I saw it weighed at 1kg+

No they are not, people at also guessing that it cannot be right because its an alloy bike from 13 years ago. Like I said add all the little bits like rim tape (10g), tubes (I included with the tyres), skewers (~80g) and the 300g YOU claim the frame weighed over the manufacturers weight and its STILL under 7.5kg.

I am not trying to score points, or get kudos for I bike I owned 13 years ago. I don't care.

I am just pointing out that the people who scoffed and laughed and said it must be way more than that are actually way out. The bike could actually have weighed close to that, even with nearly 50% leeway on the frame.

No they are not, people at also guessing that it cannot be right because its an alloy bike from 13 years ago

That was the initial catalyst, yes, doesn't seem wholly unreasonable. There's nothing on it at all that's particularly light except the fork and the claimed weight of the frame , from a brand very widely accepted to make up numbers on frame weights.

If you don't care stop trying to justify it. Simple. I honestly don't really care if you have a spreadsheet missing a few bits that adds up to a number you want it to weigh, it's no more truthful.

IIRC Kinesis claimed 700gm for the Aithein, whic is obvs horse****, and I’m sure I saw it weighed at 1kg+

I'm glad it's made up, that would be terrifying! The Trek Emonda ALR is pretty light I think, they claim "lightest production aluminium frame", but it's 1050g for an unpainted 56cm which doesn't strike me as that light. I'd expect Cannondale to have a lighter offering.

... lighter than my MTB bike. Nuff said 😀

Cheers!

I.

I didn’t think Trek market the Emonda ALR as a lightweight bike? It’s a decent crit bike, but not light. I looked at getting one last year, pretty sure I was expecting it to be about 8.5kgs for a size 52 with Ultegra and heavy 50mm deep wheels with Alu brake track.

CAAD possibly up there for lightweight alu frame.

LBS had the Uber lightweight Emonda SLR in a year ago, about 4.5 to 5kgs I think. I’m sure it would have been a top bike but felt like a show bike rather than something I’d want to ride.

Out of interest, does anyone know what the lightset aluminium road frame weighs?

Cannondale and Trek both have a couple of offerings around the 1050g mark. For years the holy grail of aluminium frame building was always 1000g and there have been numerous special frames, one-offs etc which have been around that but in terms of production they've always tended to be a bit more conservative.

If you really did have a budget aluminum bike with a frame weight of 950 that was 13 years old I would very much doubt the frame would still be in one piece.  Unless it wasn't ridden....

No they are not, people at also guessing that it cannot be right because its an alloy bike from 13 years ago. Like I said add all the little bits like rim tape (10g), tubes (I included with the tyres), skewers (~80g) and the 300g YOU claim the frame weighed over the manufacturers weight and its STILL under 7.5kg.

I am not trying to score points, or get kudos for I bike I owned 13 years ago. I don’t care.

I am just pointing out that the people who scoffed and laughed and said it must be way more than that are actually way out. The bike could actually have weighed close to that, even with nearly 50% leeway on the frame.

You're on a thread populated by weight weenies about weightweenieism. Even your partial spec comes to >7kg.  If mine's 7.3-7.5kg depending on bottle cages, garmin sensors etc, then there's very little chance a light fork is enough to offset almost everything else being heavier. I spec'd that CAAD up with the express intention of making as light as possible within the budget, there were spreadsheets and hours of googling involved! That's why it has arguably crap brakes because they weigh considerably less than any normal ones, the rims come from the first batch of stans Alphas because they were a lot lighter than subsequent versions (and I'm sure they will crack and or wear out in <2000miles if 90% of reviews are correct) , the cassette is 11-23 and the chainsets 36-50 because that's the lightest combination even if I can't pedal it up hills. Even with that level of gram counting and concessions against useability it's still in the mid 7's.

Link to the full spec of my CAAD4

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=106624

The wheels are 250g lighter

Your cranks are not going to be 650g, mine are 750 and were lighter than contemporary dura ace. Your missing a BB or chainrings from that number.

The brakes are 100g lighter

The saddles 60g lighter

The stems 30g lighter

The skewers 40g lighter

If you'd just said "about 8.0 - 8.2 kg" no one would have questioned it (not bad for a 13yr old  no-frills alloy frame and sensible build).

I think the reason we all find the weight of the ribble unlikely is ask yourself which of these is more likely..

A- the 950 weight is significantly less than reality

B- 13 years ago a budget frame manufacturer managed to stumble across the design for one of the lightest alu frames ever, that has in all this time not been bettered on the scales by companies with far bigger budgets in r+d and manufacturing

Also, I'll say it again, you haven't included pedals. Edit.. I stand corrected you did in the second spreadsheet

Its not a budget frame though. And its not an alu frame.

Its not a budget frame though. And its not an alu frame.

What?

Its not a 7000 alu winter frame that cost £79.

Its deda scandium, well known for being light but not particularly durable. Very very thin and not like standard alu frames of the day. Memory not spot on but i think it cost 4-5 hundred at the time

Scandium has been used many times in light bike frames, my One9 Niner was scandium and that too weighted less than a Billy Goats farts.

Fair enough, quick Google suggests it's was indeed very light and not very robust so perhaps it did weigh that. Likewise the wheels were apparently both ridiculously light and ridiculously flexy..but awesome value

Perhaps my thread should have said 'we are lucky to have such light bikes with very few compromises'.

Just waiting for my scales to arrive

About 34lb for the Surly  🙂

The racer is an early bonded ally Trek frame with cheap factory Shimano wheels. Just over 21lb.

Daughter has a small PX Pro Carbon with some wheels built to suit her weight, which isn't much. I love riding the thing, it's like magic...

i got my specialized sl6 tarmac expert weighed in the shop when i bought it, all stock except pro one tubeless tyres and it weighed 7.58kg in 58cm frame size. but it is red so its really really fast.

6.5kg

https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/452315-hot-r-not-1071.html#&gid=1&pid=6

its the Bianchi but can’t load the picture as I’ve only got my phone

I’ve got one of those Ribbles hung on the wall in my garage. I bought the complete bike off here from a nice chap in around 2007. Built up with campag 10s record, ksyriums and decent finishing kit it was around the 18lb mark, measured on my park scales which are known to be a bit optimistic. Size 56 with a Look fork (which was crazy light from what I remember).

Lovely bike to ride and if I could find a decent 1 inch ahead fork I’d build it back up.

So are you going to take it down and weigh it to settle the argument?

I'm going to go with around 1100g ..which is still bloody light.

I read somewhere that they were race only frames that had to be checked every 500 miles for structural integrity so maybe they are as light as claimed. And probably the reason noone else attempts to make something similar.

Just weighed mine at 6.7kg/14.8lbs. The 13.x must have been without Garmin Mount/bottle cages etc, as my pedals aren’t that heavy!

I can do when I'm back.  I'm in the US at the moment and not returning home for a week or so, but when I do I'll weigh it.

To be fair, I raced and trained on mine through the winter and didn't have any issues, or none that involved face to floor interfaces. It was a nice bike but nothing special, I built up a Storck around the same time and it was night and day despite the Storck only having Ultegra and rubbish wheels.  The Ribble was mega comfy though, I did the longest rides I've ever done on that thing and it didn't get shown much love.

@njee - I remember when you built that up, it prompted me to build one for a mate.  Nice frames those!

//i have a cheap no name alloy frame of ebay (an old one nicely weld too) anodised in purple with matching anodised brakes, Q/R and other bits (I sent them off all at the same time) that weighs 6kg.

The new look 785 should be a bit lighter.

njee – I remember when you built that up, it prompted me to build one for a mate.  Nice frames those!

Yeah, obviously I’m always looking at ‘what next’ but it’s not killed me to death, it rides really nicely and I like the look of it, so struggling to be inspired! If the Chinese up their game with some lighter disc frames then I could be tempted!

/i have a cheap no name alloy frame of ebay (an old one nicely weld too) anodised in purple with matching anodised brakes, Q/R and other bits (I sent them off all at the same time) that weighs 6kg

C’mon then - what’s the spec? must be some lovely light bits on there!

The Trek ALR has the same lightweight focus as the carbon one, frame around 1200g which is comparable to Kinesis Aithein, CAAD, Giant TCR SLR etc etc.

My Trek Emonda is 17lb with 105, and Kysrium wheels.  I had an Aithein with Miicroshift Arsis which was just under 16lb.

my stock rose with force and (relatively) heavy cosmic carbones is around 7.5kg with caged and pedals (on my park scales).  For just over £2k.  Would drop under the 7 mark with a light set of wheels like r sys.  No silly light or expensive components.

I think the CAAD12 frameset is coming in around 1.1 or 1.2kg in the current rim-brake version.

Who has the time to run through this thread and set out some award ceremony?

🤷‍♀️🗣💪

C’mon then – what’s the spec? must be some lovely light bits on there

I too am intrigued by how a cheap alu frame can be built up to sub 6kg, when the likes of spesh struggle to get near that for 10k

17.38lbs (7.88kg) only difference from pic is Quarq now instead of vectors

edit - oh ive not got the eTap front mech on at the moment, so plus a 162g

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The x1 version of the sprint is the only Specialized bike I’ve properly fancied buying.

still searching for one of the polished alu versions.

It isn't, it's heavy

@tpbiker..... Mainstream manufacturers generally build bikes that will take say a 95kg mamil sat on them every weekend.  Some stuff will be overbuilt or they won't take a chance on lightweight stuff because it might fail prematurely and would be bad for reputation regardless of the fact the user probably didn't account for it being a lightweight component.  Or they have to use in-house components.

Careful specification of items and attention to detail will get you a lighter bike.  Things like basic Time Xpresso pedals are cheap but weigh little.  I found the bearings didn't last though.  My Microshift Arsis groupset weighed less than Dura Ace but cost less than Ultegra.  Some cheap saddles are only 200g.  So sling all those carefully chosen components on an aluminium frame and it will make more difference than the frame itself.  Sub 900g carbon frames aren't that common even further up the price ranges, so you're only losing ~300g by choosing a light alu frame.

I was about to say the Spesh Smart Weld Allezs are pretty light, there's some really nice builds on WW

Don't have a racer but the bike i ride on the road is north of 30lbs.

More importantly...how much do your scales weigh? Mine weigh 0lbs which will make me the winner (what's the prize again?)

You win the 'misplaced smugness on the internet' prize, well done!

505g for my scales, i run the batteries with around 20% charge, lighter innit

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505g for my scales, i run the batteries with around 20% charge, lighter innit

As stupid as it sounds, I always think my ebike handles a bit better when it has low battery 😳 (I know it doesn’t really, honest)

Don’t have a racer but the bike i ride on the road is north of 30lbs.

Compared to my tandem, that is a lightweight. And I have not included the 25-30 kilos of "luggage", AKA the stoker. Then when you add the tagalong...

Anything sub eight kilos is light enough. Sub seven is "ooh that's light" light.

There's not a lot of weight to be saved once you've gone decent carbon. My Defy frame and forks (ad seatpost) is 800-odd g in medium and was the lightest frame they ever made.

Lolling at dirtyrider. Eye rolling at njee2000. While your having a look for my prize, keep an eye out for your sense of humour.

Canyon Grail CF7 Small

Full Carbon, hydro 105, 40mm Schwable G-Ones now tubeless

Quoted weight for the Medium was 8.6kg  (18.96lb)

On the scales no pedals with 2 bottle cages and a garmin mount 😉 8.86kg (19.53lb)

I'm happy enough to thunder through some rough stuff on it too.

Giant TCR Alliance from about 2011, 8.7kg, with pedals, but without saddle bag.

The saddle is a charge spoon instead of the original Giant saddle (which broke) and the wheels are ultegra tubeless.

There's also an extra piece of duct tape on the inside of the rear tyre - without that it would be well under 8kg....

Eye rolling at njee2000. While your having a look for my prize, keep an eye out for your sense of humour.

There are several possibilities here...

1) I did find your witty comment hilarious, but was unable to convey this through text

2) I do, indeed have no sense of humour

3) what you said wasn’t actually funny

Now, I know you think it’s 2. I can actually imagine the look on your face when you thought of it and your fingers stabbed away at the keys gleefully.

it could, of course be the case, and I’ll be honest, now you’ve followed it up by adding some extra 0s to the end of my user name I’m reconsidering, I mean that is absolutely hilarious. Real top draw stuff. Bet you’re a hit at parties.

But no, I’ll stick with 3.

By the way it’s ”you’re”; illiterate and unfunny is a poor combo. Have a nice day. Let’s keep talking about bikes eh?

Oh dear...

I just picked up a bottom of the range specialized allez, which with pedals out the box weighed. 9.8 kgs.

Anyhow, I changed the wheels and tyres to a set of lighter ones I had kicking around, swapped the drive train and shifters to 105, and put on a ti saddle. Swapping the wheels and tyres alone saved 900gms!

Its now 8.3kgs with bottle cage, garmin mount and pedals. Does make me wonder why I spend easily 3 times as much on my 'nice' roadie.

<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Only issue is that it was bought as a winter bike but it now looks way tio nice to chuck mud guard and lights on it... </span>

Spesh Roubaix, quite an old model, it's from 2010. With pedals, bottle cages, Garmin mount, small saddle bag with spare inner and multi-tool it's 8.8kg

CAAD12 (alu), SRAM Red (mechanical) and Reynolds Assault (when racing) = 7.3kg. Gets me up Pitch hill 20th out of 20,000+ attempts. Crushing super light carbon bikes on an aluminium is hilarious!

Crushing super light carbon bikes on an aluminium is hilarious!

Its not exactly like you are riding a Tank yourself is it! My lightweight crarbon framed, carbon wheeled bike weighs about 100g less than that.