[Closed] Helmets should be compulsory

A months ban for obviously trolling this tedious subject again, should definitely be compulsory

I'll take the physics any day. Impact shock transferred across the helmet. Crumple zones in cars???.

teamslug - Member

This happened to me mid April. GPS says 29.8mph. I wouldn't be posting this if my 661 recon hadn't done its job.

Correct. But you might very well be posting "I fell off and hit my head really hard, which sucked. But I'm fine now" instead.

A doctor mate said to me, a good rule of thumb is that helmets only mitigate injuries. So if you sustained a near-fatal head injury, then there's a fair chance that it legitimately saved your life. But if you walked away with a headache, it almost certainly didn't. It may have saved you from concussion though, and that's still worthy.

When I had my big road crash, various medical people told me the helmet I wasn't wearing saved my life, it was a bit weird.

Would you have been doing 29.8mph if you hadn't been wearing a helmet?

Can I vote for 'perchypanther'?

I want that satisfying noise!!

You ran out of talent, end of.
You risk assess your own rides and your own life and I'll do mine.

Currently sat here nursing a broken jaw. There's no visible damage to my helmet, so I've no idea if it took some of the impact, or the rock I hit missed it completely.

I'm buying a bigger helmet

Address the symptoms.....not the cause 😉

Address the symptoms.....not the cause

Smiley noted, but I no understand what you mean

Symptoms are broken jaw

Cause is falling off

Symptom is falling off....cause is (you fill in the blanks).

Lawmanmx - Member

how did we all survive our Bmx youth without a helmet??? its all about choice and circumstances IMO. also, if helmets were all about our 'protection' then they wouldn't be so bloomin Expensive!

I hit my head several times and it wasn't pretty. my kids go out on their bikes and scooters with a helmet on. They do it on habit not because I tell them to. They, themselves don't want to hit their heads off the pavement.

Helmets should be law for any organised event, for a place you have to pay to use or if you are under 16. Helemts are cheap to buy

Symptom is falling off....cause is (you fill in the blanks).

In that context though, the cause has so many variables. If you manage to negate every single possible cause of falling off, I'm guessing your ride would be pretty dull

I don't think they should be compulsory, I personally choose to always wear one, even when pottering up and down the street checking gets etc. My kids have no choice in wearing one, And I think it's daft not to wear one.

But I genuinely don't believe that wearing one will make you invincible, it's occurred to me at 45mph going down hill on my road bike that a bit of polystyrene won't help hugely if I come off!

I accept that in certain situations they may not help at all, and may even make things worse, but overall I think they are beneficial, and that people should chose to wear them.

Helmets should be law for any organised event, for a place you have to pay to use or if you are under 16.

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This has been made safe getting the cars off the streets not by forcing the participants to wear body armour.

cars are just one aspect of road safety. If I was on that group I'd have a helmet as would my kids. Not wearing a helmet is just silly, there is no valid reason not to wear one.

Not wearing a helmet is just silly, there is no valid reason not to wear one.

changing driver behaviour - prevention

kids wearing helmets - mitigation

what do we want?

In every single area of HSE I can think of prevention is [i]always[/i] done before mitigation; PPE is used only as a last resort, for example.

Except on roads, where it's the other way round, even though it's far more dangerous than pretty much anywhere else...

[quote=poah ]Not wearing a helmet is just silly, there is no valid reason not to wear one.

Ooh, ooh, there's my cue:

What is your valid reason for not wearing a helmet when walking or driving?

Helmets should be made compulsory
Seeing as majority of serious head injuries occur while in a car we should start there.
Legislate immediately.
Regards
Tony
Bikesy co uk

Ooh, ooh, there's my cue:

What is your valid reason for not wearing a helmet when walking or driving?

driving - you are protected by being inside.

walking no significant risk of hitting your head unless you have issues. Have you never seen a disabled person wear a helmet?

if seat belts were not law would you still wear one?

[quote=poah] driving - you are protected by being inside.
walking no significant risk of hitting your head unless you have issues.

Have you not seen the stats for head injuries for drivers and pedestrians then?

You haven't provided a valid reason not to wear one whilst doing those activities.

seatbelts - whataboutery

if seat belts were not law would you still wear one?

No they shouldn't.

DONE

changing driver behaviour - prevention
kids wearing helmets - mitigation
what do we want?

Is it a digital proposition based on yes or no ?

Or an analogue one based on sometimes I will, then again, knowing what I'm doing and where I'm going, I won't?

I.e., fort William dh track vs a spin out on the beach ...

No, they shouldn't be compulsory!

If I go on a ride proper, I'll wear a helmet through choice - if I go for a pootle to the shops, or the pub, I reserve my right to not wear a lid

Compulsory for Car Drivers because the evidence points to them having the biggest problem with head injuries. You can tell by their erratic driving and attempts to kill us on a regular basis ......

Who knows it might get more of them out of the car and on to the road.

What ever for cycling. Up to the rider. Wear mine most of the time. Possibly due to me being a motor cyclist. Helmet has definitely saved my life on motorcycle crashes. In all my crashes on the bicycle never trashed a helmet yet. Fingers crossed.

Helmet has definitely saved my life on motorcycle crashes.

Yep, and a LOT more likely to be the case than when the same claims are made of a cycle helmet. If cycle helmets were proved to be as effective as motorcycle helmets then the debate would solely be around personal choice but as they are not (mainly because a cyclist wouldn't want to wear a motorbike helmet!) then the debate gets more difficult as helmet effectiveness is not a given.

My helmet saved me yesterday, hit a low hanging tree branch whilst hurtling downhill - I'm fine, the helmet ain't.
Yes they should be compulsory

I stubbed my toe the other day, therefore steel toecaped footwear should be compulsory under all circumstances...

Non-compulsion should also be compulsory in my opinion...

For those with a higher IQ the brain is a valuable asset, hence worth keeping protected

My helmet saved me yesterday, hit a low hanging tree branch whilst hurtling downhill - I'm fine, the helmet ain't.
Yes they should be compulsory

Maybe if you hadn't been wearing the helmet you would have seen the branch and ducked. Or just riding slower.

For those with a higher IQ the brain is a valuable asset, hence worth keeping protected

What is the IQ limit you set for those where the brain is not worth protecting? Should those people also not need to bother wearing seatbelts in cars?

Bring back the cycle proficiency test.Those who do not possess the prerequisite amount of co-ordination and spatial awareness are deemed to be a danger to themselves and required to wear full body armour/full face helmet and T-shirt saying "look out,I'm a bit crap at this lark".
(full disclosure...I've never fallen off because I am awesome)

[quote="kerley"]What is the IQ limit you set for those where the brain is not worth protecting?
Bit of a catch 22 really isn't it, anyone with a high enough IQ to be covered by that would know that a helmet won't protect against brain injury. They simply aren't designed to.

I don't wear one if I cycle to the village for breakfast. It's 3 miles of off road paths. Very low risk.

I always wear one for commuting / 'cycle sport' as the risk is much higher.

Compulsory helmets is a bad idea.

Maybe if you hadn't been wearing the helmet you would have seen the branch and ducked. Or just riding slower.

Had branches drop in front of me a few occasions and funniest was a branch dropping in front whilst going up hill...even with a helmet still had splinters in my forehead 🙂

I always wear a helmet, Im certain its saved me a few times, Im just as certain the only thing that would happen if made law is the prices would go up. Remember when the 'Govt' scrapped VAT on helmets? It just made the manufacturers another 20% (17.5 at the time).

As a confirmed halfwit who needs telling what to do and what to wear while doing it I am so grateful for the input from you higher IQ'd chaps, your brain's truly are an asset for all of humanity...

With that in mind could you help me with some other decisions? I don't want debate or point/counterpoints to consider just a hard, fast answer that I can rely on as it wasn't generated by my thicky Brain or twitter...

1- How should I vote in the EU referendum?
2- should I change career?
3- where should I invest my savings?
4- should I stop reading ****ty helmet debates on STW?

1. In
2. Definitely
3. Post Office
4. Yes

I'll agree to compulsory helmets only if we can force families out for a bimble to wear them properly over their head not balanced on the back of the head with forehead exposed, if you can promise that I'll be a good boy and wear mine everytime, even those days I ride off down the road without it and think oh **** it I'll be fine...

Compulsory for all: NO
Compulsory for young kids (lets say younger than ~12): Maybe

I also find it slightly strange that people seem to just talk about helmets preventing major brain injuries, I think in the vast majority of cases helmets prevent MINOR injuries, like scuffs, scratches and bruises, and all those minor injuries never make it into the statistical lists that people love to band about!

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1- out
2- no
3- under the bed
4- no