[Closed] Have you got pedal reflectors on that thing, Sir?

Shimano "M324 Combination Pedals" are SPDs that come with reflectors fitted. But they look like old fashioned touring pedals so are desperately untrendy.

I think Wellgo also make something similar.

Depends how (ande if) it is actually applied. If they are pulling over cyclists that are barely visible to other road users, then they are doing them a favour in bringing their attention to both the law and the benefit of being seen. But if they pull over cyclists who have decent lights, and reflective patches on their cycling shoes (as most now do) and clothing then it will just be jobsworth stupidity.

It is worrying thought that since the recent spate of cyclist deaths in London, the message from the authorities seems to be placing all responsibility on cyclists. Maybe it is just the stories highlighted here are scewing my perception, but I haven't seen anything about educating drivers, and getting them to accept some responsibility for the safety of those around them.

The main points of RVLR are as follows:

Lights (and reflectors) are required on a pedal cycle only between sunset and sunrise.

Taken from the CTC webby.

Don't cycle in the dark 😀 Have none of you lot got a car ? 😆

Surely there are more important things for those pcso s to be doing?

Reflectors on your pedals wont help drivers who are looking at their phone see you.

Bone of contention - 5 of the ****ers were spotted on my way home tonight

But if they pull over cyclists who have decent lights, and reflective patches on their cycling shoes (as most now do) and clothing then it will just be jobsworth stupidity.

These are PCSOs we are talking about here. You could have 2000 lumens beaming out in front of you, 17 lights facing behind with all the reflective tape in the world on you but if you are using eggbeaters, they'll pull you for it, on account of not having any really power/anything to do so will flex their muscles at all opportunities!

I don't much is going to change most pcso I've come across know next to nothing about the law and most of them would have trouble catching up with me if I was walking with my bike let alone riding it 👿

I make sure my commuter is fully equipped, peddle reflectors, wheel reflectors BS lights front and rear, admittedly some of this is augmented by magic shine, 3M Black Reflective stickers etc. 2 Reasons i don't trust motorists as far as i can throw them and ive seen to many judges letting off cyclist killers on the basis of shaky victim blaming so now there are no excuses.

Is there a legal requirement to identify yourself to a Police officer or PCSO in relation to a cycling offence in the same way that there is for a driving offence? If not that would make it pretty difficult to issue the penalty if you wanted to be properly awkward. Probably not worth the hassle though.

Iirc, if a copper/pcso asks you who you are, you have to tell em, else they can haul you off down the nick

'Ello, ello, ello. What's all this 'ere then?

55 posts about a tiny paragraph in a wide ranging bill which delegates powers which aren't used by those who currently have them to a group that does very little to start with?

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At night your cycle MUST have white front and red rear lights lit. It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen. Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp.
Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24

Strange. All of my bikes were manufactured before 1/10/85. Bit hard to prove otherwise with no numberplate or registration documents...

As others have said, this isn't a change in the law requiring reflectors. The Police appear to have a proper grasp of perspective in terms of enforcing the existing law.

I am a bit worried that a PCSO may be targeted to issue fines and will then set about enforcing the law regardless.

(Actually, I'm only a bit worried - the commuter has pedal reflectors on the SPDs and the Cateye on my rack has the BS reflector built in, I don't ride the road bike at night, and a PCSO won't catch me at night on the mountain bike

simple question, the regs say must have a pedal reflector, what standard? i assume that there is some legal standard to which reflectors must be made? I assume a minimum size colour, reflectivity?

Or can i get a couple of square millimetres of 3m tape, and stick a bit on the front and back of my iclics and be legal...

Speedplay Zero's on my commuter, how the hell will I get reflectors on those?

[url= https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6632.25 ]https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6632.25[/url]

a debate on reflectors,

Summary, reflectors have to comply with bs6102/2 according to the law, but the newer EN standards supersede the british standard and the EN doesn't mention reflectors...

So reflectors are required and have to comply with a spec that doesn't exist!

Figure that one out!

@mrmo

Somehow I managed to read all that, and the gist I got was just that the legislation refers to a now obsolete British Standard and therefore it will have to continue to, unless they change it (the legislation) to refer to something else.

I could read it all again just to check..

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indeed, but not amber, or attached to your pedals and therefore although handy for visibility not handy for adhering to the actual law.

I doubt very much this will have much impact, as many have said they're more likely to be targeting those with no lights or reflectors at all.

I always thought PCSOs couldn't detain anyone. Turns out I was wrong - I just googled it and apparently they have the legal right to detain an individual for up to 30 minutes (until the police can arrive). However, they don't have the right to use any sort of force. So there's absolutely nothing they can do to stop you from merely walking (or more likely pedalling) away.

You will have caused an offense, though, so I suppose they could make your life unpleasant if they could find you again.

The law seems awfully anachronistic though. No doubt it was written when dim tyre dynamo-powered lights were de rigeur. Nowadays when I have 1600 lumens up front + several flashy things on the back I'm far more visible.

Of course, if you get knocked off your bike at night without pedal reflectors, I suppose a driver's defense would be that you were riding illegally.

Superficial I rather suspect you are right.

I like pedal reflectors and I cannot work out why it seems to be such an issue for pedal manufacturers to create a non competition road and off road pedal that manages to house a reflector for commuters, training rides and leisure rider. Is it only England where we have these rules?

Will I give up my spds on the mountain bike for the mile or two I might ride on the road ....

According to that bikebiz article..
"the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill completed its passage through the House of Commons on 15th October. It is now subject to parliamentary scrutiny in the House of Lords."

So I'm a bit confused.This has nothing to do with PCSO'S, they didn't push it through the commons so why is this thread pretty much about slagging them off?
Oh and @fatsimon mk2, "I don't much is going to change most pcso I've come across know next to nothing about the law"
Maybe, but they could probably write a sentence better than you 🙄

Sigh

Saw 2 pcso at shepherds bush today on duty monitoring the traffic lights today -pary of the tfl crackdown they chatted away happily as a car and a bus had stopped in the ASL box a meter in front of them, wish I'd said something too them

Pedal reflectors work really well.

Carry on. 🙂

I like pedal reflectors and I cannot work out why it seems to be such an issue for pedal manufacturers to create a non competition road and off road pedal that manages to house a reflector for commuters, training rides and leisure rider.

Shimano SPD-SL (reflector mounts on the underside)
Time ATAC (plastic cage fits around the sides of the pedals)
Ritchey shimano SPD copies (reflectors mount front and back)

And those are just ones I've bought, I'm pretty sure there must be more!

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Reflectors on your pedals wont help drivers who are looking at their phone see you.

Actually as a driver I find pedal reflectors can be very good both in rural areas and in crowded busy streets at night - because it helps you recognise that what you can see is a cyclist quicker / further away. Not an excuse for mowing down cyclists if they don't have them - but if the aim is to maximise survival then not a bad idea to fit them.

What do they have to be like as a legal minimum. I'm up for putting some on my road bike pedals (flat/spd combo), but £7 is a lot for some plastic

I have reflective tape already (bike is covered in it) but I suspect putting this on the pedals won't be enough

The last 2 bikes I bought did not come with pedals what's the score there then? They're fully assembled but with no pedals how can they be expected to come with pedal reflectors?

The last 2 bikes I bought did not come with pedals what's the score there then? [b]They're fully assembled[/b] but with [b]no pedals[/b] how can they be expected to come with pedal reflectors?

Reading the requirements the rear light also needs to be between 150 and 350mm from the floor. I would guess most people have them mounted higher than this.

Its also not just pedal reflectors but there is a requiremesnt for a red rear reflector so if you did get stopped if you are not fully compliant you could get a ticket.

I would hope that the generally had more pressing matters to attend to. Personally I do not ahv an issue with them stopping cyclists riding on pavements particularly where it is busy.

So glad I live in Scotland.

even has cyclist interaction

Reading the requirements the rear light also needs to be between 150 and 350mm from the floor

Rear Lamp
One is required, to show a red light, positioned centrally or offside, between 350mm and 1500mm from the ground, at or near the rear, aligned towards and visible from behind

A couple of years ago i was stopped by a pcso.
They'd closed the side of the road I used for about a half mile and had diversion signs... no idea where the diversion went and didnt want to risk life and limb.
It was 7.15am in london.
alongside the closed section is a 25/30 foot wide pavement and you could see a long way ahead, it was summer, nice and light.
at that time in the morning there were no pedestrians.
as i had no idea where the diversion would take me I hopped on the pavement. naughty boy. another rider followed me.
we rode along slower than on the road.
two pcso's appeared from behind a building support and stopped us both.
they tried to do us for being a danger to pedestrians.

we stopped and said yer joking mate?

nope, apparently not.

they dealt with us individually and my guy asked for some ID. I said I didnt have any, my wallet was buried in my pack. so i gave him a false name and address, thanked him for the fine and walked 20 feet and rode away. the other guy was still arguing as I left.

****wits. whats happened to common sense in the world.

Obviously if I don't have pedal reflectors I will be invisible 🙄
If they cant see me they cant arrest me 8)

Any plans for Scotland to follow suit?

thinking a bit more, the reflectors have to be legal, as do lights, and reflector. If you are being strict about it.

Problem is that Legal and functional are almost mutually exclusive as far as bikes and lights go!

UK market is tiny, demand is even smaller so almost no one actually bothers to manufacture or test lights to the UK standards.

5. You and your bicycle

Make sure that you feel confident of your ability to ride safely on the road. Be sure that
you choose the right size and type of cycle for comfort and safety
lights and reflectors are kept clean and in good working order
tyres are in good condition and inflated to the pressure shown on the tyre
gears are working correctly
the chain is properly adjusted and oiled
the saddle and handlebars are adjusted to the correct height.

It is recommended that you fit a bell to your cycle.

You MUST
ensure your brakes are efficient
at night, use lit front and rear lights and have a red rear reflector.
Laws PCUR regs 6 & 10 & RVLR reg 18

Cycle training can help both children and adults, especially those adults returning to cycling to develop the skills needed to cycle safely on today’s roads. A new national cycle training standard has been developed which the Government is promoting and making funding available for delivery in schools.

All cyclists should consider the benefits of undertaking cycle training. For information, contact your local authority.

just taken this from the highway code,

Note: no mention of pedal reflectors?????

So the law says you must, but the highway code doesn't? but it does say rear reflector. Which seems odd to me?

I'm sorry officer, my reflectors were on the bike that I had stolen. If you could just do your job and [i]actually[/i] investigate that, I'm sure I'll be legal again in no time.

Or words to that effect 😉

Plus they can't ignore the fact there aren't any night-legal SPDs available for us to buy even if we wanted to...

These?

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If I used Shimano pedals, I'd probably have put a set of these on the commuter.

any links to where time atac pedal reflectors are available from?
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You can get a roll of yellow or amber reflective tape for about £5 personally I'm tempted to get some and put it on the heel of my shoes (primarily as there's not really an appropriate surface on an M520 pedal, and I don't actually think I can locate a pair of those clip in SPD reflector jobs in my spares box, they may well have gone straight in the bin. I Reckon some retro reflective tape on my heels complies with the spirit and intent, even if it doesn't quite meet the letter, the effect would basically be the same...

my understanding of the how the RVLR applies to bicycles is as follows:

-A Red rear, and Amber pedal reflectors are the only ones legally required, and that only applies after dark (along with lights of course)...

-Wheel reflectors and front White reflectors are not actually Compulsory...

-Reflectors have to meet the requirements of BS 6102 Part 2 Specification for Photometric and physical requirements of reflective devices...

Handy guide RVLR[url= http://www.ctc.org.uk/cyclists-library/regulations/lighting-regulations ]here[/url]

Personally I doubt any PCSO's are likely to be equipped or qualified to actually assess a reflective devices compliance with BS 6102-2. All they are really going to be trying to address is any absence of a reflector where it should be, I hope they've had clarifying guidance passed round so that they don't hand out random bollockings and fines for people not having front reflectors... but somehow I doubt it.

It's not too hard to find a way of meeting (or exceeding) the legal requirements TBH, and it's fair enough for them to be stepping up enforcement, especially at this time of year and given recent events...

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I'm sure I have several thousand of discarded pedal reflectors in my spares box. I may just glue some to my shoes and sell the rest on eBay, I'm sure there'll be a clammering for them now.

lets forget the whole pcso thing for a minute.

your riding on the road - where maniacs are trying to kill you - besides being cool you would remove your reflectors from a bike used predominantly on the road for what reason ?

an MTB used for MTB covering short road sections i can almost understand(and something im guilty of as well) but on a commuter or road bike id have thought being compliant with the law AS A MINIMUM would be in your best interests.