[Closed] Has anyone tried EPO or other performance enhancing drugs?

I've tried IPA as a bravery enhancing drug. It worked.

Try this guy probably has long list of suppliers.
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I've tried IPA as an emetic. It worked.

Not tried them but the one I fancy is clenbuterol.

I could do with a drug that converts fat to muscle (that may not be entirely correct).

Panorama reporter got some easily over the internet from China. Have you tried Googling yet?

Let us know how it goes.

I don't believe it can be any better than the right mixture of flapjack and jelly babies.

Nitroglycerine for the win

My handlebars are from china and I'm not sure I fully trust them..

As a 1 off amphetamine would probably be better than EPO and possibly easier to get hold of.

But remember kids, don't do drugs!

I've tried digital epo, now that makes you really really quick.

I am sure searching the dark net will yield a positive result....ah boom tish

This is the side of PEDs in professional sport that concerns me. The whole Armstrong-defense of 'Oh everyone else was doing it, so I had to' belies the wider implications of this level of 'acceptance'. If this practice is seen as normal in professional circles, then it will become widely acceptable for amateurs also. Where does it stop there? Amateur athletes at junior level?

These substances are quite simply evil, nasty things.

Paradoxically, though. I'd love to try EPO for a month or so. I'm sure it would be like being given the keys to a Ferrari. I'm equally sure it would cause my heart to explode also, which probably wouldn't be all that great.

Never tried any of the class A ones but I think my hayfever medicine is on the banned list.
Contemplating having a lend of my son's asthma pump too.

Think I might try to cobble together some over the counter stuff and go on a Strava rampage.

If it's for strava then save yourself potential health issues, and use an e-bike! 😉

I thought asthma medication has no positive effect on people with "normal" lungs?

TBH if there was a safe, reliable performance enhancing drug I knew of that I could take, I'd be taking it already. Though I suppose I would stop racing if I did, even at the low level I race at it'd be a ****'s trick, the clean dude who's 280th doesn't want to be beaten by the cheat who's 279th.

Clenbuterol is easily obtained as an asthma med, it works, it's also horrible due to long half life that will see you jittery for most of the day.
It doesn't convert fat to muscle, that simply can't happen, two different substances, like trying to convert steel to carbon fibre.
It is anti catabolic though, meaning you can use it on a calorie deficit diet to drop weight but hold onto muscle....and that's the trick for pro cyclists really, maintaining power while getting as light as possible.

Tried most steroids, peptides, growth hormone, ephedrine, clenbuterol over the years...all work to a degree but there really is no substitute for a good diet, plenty of rest and structured training....think of PEDs as icing on the cake and you've got the right idea.

Really good american aritcle a while back about trying diff stuff - have a look [url= http://www.outsideonline.com/1924306/drug-test ]here[/url]

Tried albuterol (similar effect to clen, less side effects). My reason for use was weight loss, as it raises BMR, but it also has an anabolic action. Commonly used by bodybuilders in the cutting phase of their training programme, in the immediate lead up to a competition. I didn't see much effect, but think my dose was too low.

Also used Ipamorelin and GRF1-29, both of with increase the body's release of endogenous growth hormone. Reason for use was healing from major spinal surgery, as GH increases rate of muscle and collagen synthesis. Major effect, even the surgeon was amazed at the amount of healing that had taken place in the short time frame between surgery and my 1st follow up.

All the above are banned substances on the WADA list. Albuterol is easy to test for, the other two are very difficult & expensive to test for, so not in your every day doping tests.

As speckled Bob says amphetamine is what you need if you want to try something as a one off,very prolific in the pro peleron back in the day.let us know how you get on.

There was a thread here where someone took part in an EPO trial and the outcome was something like a few % increase in "fitness" which may well have just been a training effect during the course of the trial or natural variability. You can't turn a Fred in to a pro that easy! Of course the effects for the pros at the limit of the physiological performance are likely to see more benefit

I shall have a look at the articles.

I should try a series of rides on some of the old school PED's and do a write up...

It's the feeling of invincibility that Hamilton describes I'd be interested in experiencing, as soon as % gains are mentioned my eyes glaze over.

Tried most steroids, peptides, growth hormone, ephedrine, clenbuterol over the years...all work to a degree but there really is no substitute for a good diet, plenty of rest and structured training....think of PEDs as icing on the cake and you've got the right idea.

Damn. 😆

You know you have to train pretty hard as well, yeah?

I've often thought a little bit of EPO would be a godsend on a week-plus long bike trip TBH, if it really does let you feel fresh as a daisy each day.

You've heard about e-bikes, right?!? 😉

I thought asthma medication has no positive effect on people with "normal" lungs?

I would be willing to give human growth hormone a go for injury rehab, there was an artcile posted on here from years ago about the doctor who tried all the various meds

I know someone who took EPO, but I think that was because he had donated a Kidney to his brother. The net effect on his riding ability was negative.

Personally if I was going to go down this route then buying drugs of the internet would not be my choice. Maybe buy an altitude tent instead?

Wasn't there a journalist who took some of these drugs to write about the effect?

apparently 33 units of alcohol has pretty much the same effect

faustus - Member

If it's for strava then save yourself potential health issues, and use an e-bike!

I think DrP might notice the e-bike, unless he's just come off a 72 hour shift.

It is anti catabolic though, meaning you can use it on a calorie deficit diet to drop weight but hold onto muscle....and that's the trick for pro cyclists really, maintaining power while getting as light as possible.

Deviant - For an engineer that's close enough to turning fat into muscle. You are of course correct when you say technically it can't be done.

You've heard about e-bikes, right?!?

[b]E[/b]lectric [b]P[/b]edalled [b]O[/b]bjects?

I wouldn't race, just use it to annoy DrP on the hills.

Genuine LOL at that!!
You do make me laugh 😀

I'll look to see what's in my bottom drawer for you. Celeste any good? Can't hurt..

DrP

I once had a steroid prescription, for an infection. I run most days of the week, and after about 3-4 days of taking the drugs, found my running to be about 10% quicker than my best ever times.

It wasn't as though I felt I could run any quicker, just no sign of lactic acid build up in my legs. I could keep running at a fast rate, without the pain/tiredness that gradually builds up.

Checked the ingredients, and they were banned on the WADDA list.

Nick

I have a repeat prescription for the two common asthma drugs: The blue one is a muscle relaxant and is a very effective cure of the symptoms. I use this a lot as my lungs tighten up, this relaxes them. If you don’t have Asthma this would have no effect and would possibly have a negative effect overall in terms of PED.

The other one is the brown inhaler which includes Beclometasone dipropionate which is a common steroid. I have never bothered with this much but it is banned as a PED. I am tempted to get a new one but at my level of performance, less pie and loafing would have far greater effect.

Earlier this year at a race, the guy behind me got a little bit vocal about me having a toot on my blue inhaler before starting a stage.

Apparently it was an unfair advantage!

no_eyed_deer - Member

These substances are quite simply evil, nasty things.

Apart from that they were developed as drugs for medical issues and were then abused. The substances aren't evil. The abusers are evil.

Without synthesised EPO you'd have a lot of cardiac patients who would be dead.

I tried Evo once as a kid.
Dave Lennox ran into a tree and split his head open.

Holland and Barrett sell it though I am unsure which size to get??

[url= http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/holland-barrett-natural-evening-primrose-oil-capsules-1000mg-60007372 ]EPO[/url]

Tried most steroids, peptides, growth hormone, ephedrine, clenbuterol over the years

apparently 33 units of alcohol has pretty much the same effect

When racing in youth and cultivating an interest in underage drinking, one of the better results I had was after an unintentionally heavy night on the beer, got picked up by my dad from a mates house on the way to the race. A potent mix of loads of carbs and still being very slightly pissed so I couldn't feel the pain 🙂

Asthma is one thing, there's also a phenomenon called exercise -induced -brochospasm (EIB) which basically means that your lungs tighten up on exertion, but not to the extent of asthma. This is also treated with also salbutamol. It's very easy to get a diagnosis of asthma since the tests are effort -dependent so if you know what you're doing, you can get salbutamol from your gp without any trouble. A diagnosis of asthma requires >10% lung function variability but you can imagine that even a 1% difference might make a difference in the tour.

I have heard reports that 80% of the pro peleton have either asthma or EIB.

The last time I checked, salbutamol itself isn't banned by WADA. You're allowed 16 puffs of a blue inhaler before it becomes illegal. So yeah, a lot of them will undoubtedly use it.

@jonba - the journalist in the Panorama report mentioned earlier went on EPO for a period using micro-dosing as he was looking at being tested at the end of it and was trying to determine if he could fool the passport system. I think he's a triathlete, he commented that he stopped going for a ride with his mates as he improved that much it was embarrassing.

I'll look to see what's in my bottom drawer for you. Celeste any good? Can't hurt..

DrP

As long as it's not a suppository I'm in.

Holland and Barrett sell it though I am unsure which size to get??

You joke, but the vet recommended that for your dog when steroids worked a bit too well and he went from arthritic 14 yr old spaniel to puppy overnight which was only ever going to result in something else giving way. We didn't want him in pain, but we didn't want him jumping 6ft gates either!

this is a good read http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/may/18/healthandwellbeing.features1

I have heard reports that 80% of the pro peleton have either asthma or EIB.

That might be an exaggeration, but undoubtedly it's far higher than usual, and not just cyclists, but swimmers and athletes (such as Pauls Radcliffe)

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/28/asthma-elite-athletes-study-swimmers-cyclist-eid ]link[/url]

Not only do many only get symptoms when they exercise, but there is a theory that the training is actually causing the problem. And this seems to be the case with me, having developed EIA at the ripe old age of 48, which may have something to do with me doing a lot more cycling and running (especially in cold weather) over the last 4 years. My peak flow scores are shockingly low for someone of my size - little better than my wife who has been asthmatic all her life.

I've certainly noticed an improvement when I use Salbutomol, which apparently will have no effect if you don't have asthma. I only take one or 2 puffs, not the 16 which I believe is the WADA limit !

Nonetheless, I suppose it is technically a PED !

Read that. I've changed my mind. 😳

I've just gone back onto a Clenil Modulite (beclometasone) inhaler, as I was having to use my blue Salbutamol one too often. I've definitely noticed an improvement in my fitness recently, but that might just be because I can actually breath during a ride!

There was a good article in Outside Magazine (it's online to read) where a keen amateur tried out a range of the main PEDs over the course of a year or so.

Was an interesting read, but basically it's really expensive to buy these substances from a legit source where you're likely to actually get the real drugs as opposed to water/sugar pills/olive oil/rat poison, etc.

But why bother? If you're not competing you could just get fitter and train, eat, sleep better as there are plenty of bad side effects.

Tom KP

Here it is -

http://www.outsideonline.com/1924306/drug-test

just use it to annoy DrP on the hills

He's definitely on the juice 😐

Didn't think beclometasone was on the Wada list?

I know about the 1600mg rule for the blue inhaler but nothing for the brown...

Beclometasone is a glutocorticoid, so falls under that. However interestingly it isn't included when inhaled.

Salbutamol will have an affect on people without asthma, just not at rest. People with "normal" lungs have such a large respiratory reserve when resting that it's effects aren't noticeable. Push them toward their limits and I suspect you'd see an improvement with salbutamol.

Interesting the hard scientific evidence for the majority of the drugs on the wada list having PE effect is scanty (mainly due to the ethicial issues in trying to study them!) The few studies done on steroids for example didn't show any statistically significant benefit. Makes me wonder how much of it is placebo effect, with confidence and mentality such a big differentiator at top level sport, the idea of "this drug makes me faster" must have at least as big a placebo effect as physiological.

Just popped into the local head shop on the way back from an after work drink. (Also wanted to ask them how the new laws would affect business, they don't sell 'legal high' powders because it attracts the wrong sort).

Asked them if they had anything that would improve athletic performance. Turns out even Amyl Nitrite which used to be used isn't sold, now it's butyl nitrite and unlikely to help...

Strange, I can't remember the last time I was breathing out my arse in a race and thought: "I could really do with a honk of poppers right now."

When I used to cycle with folk who were a lot fitter than me I'd take a couple of Ibuprofen and a can of redbull before and during the ride, i definitely felt quicker!

Kumdang-2 apparently is the future, I've read today.

i've taken lots of drugs over the years.... some of them were performance enhncing, just not particularily relative to cycling... or what most people would consider sport.

That Guardian article is really interesting. Sod that.

Strange, I can't remember the last time I was breathing out my arse in a race and thought: "I could really do with a honk of poppers right now."

😆

TBH the biggest performance enhancement I've found recently, is imodium... Don't know why but racing gives me the shits something awful 😆

i am finding morphine very good little bottle to use on the trail as well, not hiding it using in front of everyone so no need to go on tv with oprah and confess.

Do jelly babies count as performance enhancing drugs? If so I am guilty as charged. They work amazingly well.

Interesting the hard scientific evidence for the majority of the drugs on the wada list having PE effect is scanty

Performance enhancing effect can mean many things too, for example rapid weight loss, masking, etc.

Having a 4 month old in the house house been strangely performance enhancing. I think being so tired to not know what day it is has a stronger anaesthetic effect on the legs than the effect of general tiredness 😆

i am finding morphine very good little bottle to use on the trail as well, not hiding it using in front of everyone so no need to go on tv with oprah and confess.

Opening morphine ampoules is enough of a PITA in the comfort of the anaesthetic room; I imagine opening them on the bike would be a lot more difficult.

Does cider count?

And to answer the question, apart from cider - it only "enhances performance" in my head.

Probably.

Does anybody feel like funding some research?