Genesis Vagabond - anyone got one?

If anyone wants one of these, I'd get one now.
Small and medium stocks very low indeed and there won't be any more.

Frames now due middle of March apparently.

Rusty Spanner what do you mean there won't be anymore?? These look like a salsa fargo at £500 less, £350 for the frameset is a bargain! I have an ECR else I would get one already! But I really want a 650b+ bike after riding one, doubt they'd fit in this though! 🙁

Anyone got one of these yet?

Anyone? Getting quite interested in the frameset, potentially built up with Schwalbe Big Ones if they will fit.

I'm really quite tempted by one of these, anyone know if you can fit a road triple chainset on it though?

These guys were selling Singular Gryphon frames for £399.

http://edsigns-yorkshire.wix.com/edsbikes

I've a triple on front of my 6 year old Fargo, 9 speed with 11-25 cassette, gives large range but without the large jumps in rear ratios as i use it to commute on road.

Fargo is a fantastic bike, so adaptable, funny how Genesis are dropping Vagabond and Singular are dropping the Gryphon (despite trying to sell you the Swift as being drop bar compatible)?

Rusty Spanner - I think you're thinking about my brother (Peterpoddy). 🙂

I texted him a few days ago and he said he hasn't got his frame yet, the date keeps being put back constantly by Genesis.

Finally got first short demo ride in today. Immediate impressions: v comfortable/natural/planted/confidence inspiring. Quicker off the block than I anticipated, ie not as hefty as envisaged, feels almost flickable. It rides exactly as it looks - a nice steel MTB with drops. Never had so much fun hopping a drop-bar bike off kerbs. Brake levers are nice, flattish, good modulation and the cabled Spyres not at all grabby. Haven't noticed toe-overlap as yet but only did a few miles up surfaced path. Will be hitting some challenging bridleways and rocky trails over the weekend, weather permitting. The Vagabond instantly feels like it wants to go fast and dirty all day long on all-terrain. I like it. Will see how the honeymoon period continues....may load it up if I have the time to see how it handles some camping gear although it feels plenty stiff with my 16st bearing down hard on it. Did someone say it's being discontinued? Grrr ... may well be wanting one...and it's the same colour as my first 'proper' bike (a custom-built Carlton Cyclone circa 1982). Dusty eyes...jumpers for goalposts. Look fwd to playing more on this. A classy, eager little Frankenbike.

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Day 2 demo:

I want this bike.

It just makes me grin and it makes me want to keep going.

All I changed was the nasty stock arse-axe for my Spesh BG saddle - and so Friday night's short,curious delight became Sunday morning's 'don't want to ever go home' revelation.

In answer to OP - 'what do you use it for?' I would happily use it for everything I do. I don't race, I use bikes for exploring/adventure, touring, camping, utility, work (photography/painting), social rides and going solo/dickingabout on long or short singletrack trails just for the hell of it.

The only niggles I can find are small and not incurable, ie gearing is sub-par for long road tours - spinning out on long downhills. Also the gusseting at the headtube seems to be a moisture trap (see pic). Lastly I don't favour indexed bar-end shifters - but I can live with them or change them.

This is the kind of bike I've been attempting to cobble together for years. It just fits everything that I do. Solid but not a lead weight, forgiving but not noodly, pretty but not poncey, stable but not boring. Haven't had a chance to load it up but I would love the chance to disappear for months on end with a Vagabond, camera and bivvy kit. I bloody love it.

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The wait is killing me.

Anyone else bought one of these yet? I (finally) found a short review online. Oddly enough from the same place I demoed/ordered one. Best bike-purchase experience I've ever had, and top blokes to boot. Could have written the very same review myself as it echoes my story/first impressions almost to the letter:

[url] http://www.carbcycles.co.uk/drop-it/ [/url]

I've had one of these for about a month now. Let's get the bad out of the way first. I found the brake lever hoods quite uncomfortable, they seem to be very narrow compared to others that I have used. However, this is a matter of personal preference. I've since swapped these for TRP RRL levers, which are much better. Then there's the TRP Spyre-C disc brakes. In the dry they provide well-modulated and progressive braking without trying to launch you over the bars at the touch of the lever. Today I went out for a 3 hour ride on fire tracks. It rained very heavily and it was obvious that the discs/pads were getting a lot of grit, etc. on them. After about an hour of this the brake levers were almost back to the handlebars with almost no braking. I had adjusted the cable tension earlier in the ride, so either the pads were wearing out very quickly or there is another issue. The only other disc brakes that I had an identical problem with were a set of Formula hydraulics. This does not instill confidence, especially if doing fully-loaded off-road tour.
On to the good. The frame is excellent. It is a joy to ride and accelerates well despite its weight. The high front end makes it a pleasure riding on the drops without adopting a foetal position. It tracks well both on and off road. The WTB Nano tyres are an excellent non-touring choice. They roll and accelerate well. Grip is good on all surfaces except for thick mud. It is easy to fit racks. I have fitted a Tubus Logo on the rear. It will take the 700c version as well as the 29" version. The gears work smoothly and the range of gearing will suit most applications. It is rare for me to have to use the small chainring, even when carrying a load.
When carrying a load in the rear panniers I hardly notice the extra weight and the bike remains well-balanced and handles perfectly.
For the price it is an excellent bike, a real pleasure to ride and I would rank it as probably the best bike that I have owned. It is fun to ride, comfortable and versatile. I might even sell all of my other bikes...

Just got myself the purple frameset of ebay for a bargain £175 😀 Planning on building it with alfine 11 if i can decide on the best bar & shifter combo.
Saw the blue one in a LBS yesterday, lovely looking bike. Very excited.

Great write-up rob, thanks for sharing. Any pics loaded? To echo yr experience with brakes - yesterday after only the fourth decent descent (dry, road) of the day the front brake lever was nudging against the bars. I (again) had to wind in the inside pad approx 1.5mm - 2mm having done same only three short rides ago. Looks set to be expensive unless can spec pads that don't wear as if made from hard cheese!

Back to the bike as a whole - I Love It. Have gone from forcing self to get out on the old mtb, to now finding any excuse or none to rag the Vagabond about for an hour or so daily, more on weekends. Climbs like a champ, even catching me out. The Nanos deliver surprising traction in a variety of situations wet or dry. Just as my instinct instructs me to dismount/bail on a steep/muddy/rooty or dusty climb - an extra squirt of torque shows me that the bike is easily going up there if I just learn to trust it. Beautiful. Vagabond (from standing) gets up to speed surprisingly quickly. Feels balanced and inspiring. Every day brings big bikey grins for three weeks now. Great initial impressions. Honeymoon period is drawing to a close and the only gripe really is the brake pads. My lady-hands suit the lever hoods well so no probs there except for them (hands) feeling weak as a kitten after now daily riding on drops/the hoods for the first time since 1989. Haven't fitted luggage as yet but plan to soon enough when I can be arsed to find and spec the correct Freeload rack fittings.

Spider-senses tell me that should be a little worried about what those shifters might do to top-tube if I stack. May try flipping the stem (higher) to see if that helps. But I love the posture exactly as it is, the medium fits my 5'10 frame 31 inseam like a glove. Pics:
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correct Freeload rack fittings

Gah. First real compatibility issue. I splashed out on two (Sport deck and Tour deck) pre-Thule 'Freeload' racks and have for a few yrs succesfully used them without issue on all my bikes so planned to use them on the Vagabond. They do not fit in such a way that either deck is remotely is horizontal. Neither front forks or rear stays. Not at all.

Bolx. 160 quid! Plus the touring extras put it over 200...

Anyone want some Freeloads? Looks like going the Tubus route...

I'm planning to get a vagabond frame to build a bikepacking rig, since Fargo got too expensive and sold out anyway.

Do you think I will be able to squeeze a 2.25" in the rear on i24 mm rims?

Maybe I have to give up the front derailleur and go 1x?

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Im not knowledgeable re yr rims but here are some clearance pics I took to show how a Nano 2.1 sits on the stock Alex Volar 2.1 rim (medium frame)

re front mech on the 2x10 setup - the arm is not a problem but the mech/bracket behind the seat-tube sits just 4-5mm from the nobblies and they aren't big nobblies :|. I'm sure there is a clear answer out there re 2.25s but tyre profiles baffle me as some 2.1s look a 1/3 narrower than others. These Nanos seem ballooon-ish for 2.1s, I like them a lot they fit the bill and are well-specced IME for a wide-variety of riding/surfaces, also providing decent shock absorption

I can just squeeze a finger between the chainstays and tyre wall. Just.
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Forgot to say - forks won't be a problem for 2.25, 2.35, 2.4(?)

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thanks Malvert

I'd like to go 2.25 rear and 2.35 front but didn't consider the chainstay clearance, that looks really narrow

why everybody falls short doing a Fargo mock-up?

By my (in the field) impromptu measurements with only the tools to hand - chainstay width at the widest point of my tyres is approx 70mm. So the purpose of chainstay clearance a max tyre width of 60mm depending on knobblies?
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Best thing to do is find a demo and try yr wheel/tyre combo on for size? Yr welcome to try mine if in the SW. Tho it would appear to be designed for 2.1 (optimal) - lucky for me these seem perfect for the terrain, although for road tours am finding it difficult to choose a narrower 90% tarmac/winter/full-mudguard tyre set

Thanks Malvern, extremely helpful.

Impossibile for me to get a demo, I live in Italy and here Genesis is not popular at all.

I'm afraid I have to wait next season to get a Fargo available at twice the price (or probably more :()

What 2.25 tyre you thinking of? I've got some conti speed kings in 2.1, a conti mk2 in a 2.1 (which blows up big), a der Baron 2.4 and a onza Ibex 2.4 I can try. I'll report back once I've had a go ( will try for decent pics to show clearance as well)

spev that would be very useful thank you!

i am talking about schwalbe racing ralph in 2.25 (a 2.35 version would be available for the front)

Ah right I think I might have a schwalbe of some kind there as well, it's gonna be like kwikfit later

Well today i have sold my Vaya, now I'm one step closer to pull the trigger on this frameset.
I think I'm going 1x with 38t front and 11-42 rear, I just have to figure out what rims/tyres I may get.
What is the rear spacing btw?

@spev
i googled that kwikfit thing (never heard of it) and it made me laugh a lot 😀

Hey Malvern Rider,

Got my purple vagabond frameset, and although it looks cool just sat there in the living room, im starting to get bits together to build her up. Got a silver 29er wheelset on the way with Alfine 8 hub on the back and dynamo hub on the front, new FSA headset (cos its green!), some mechanical disc brakes and a jtek bar end shifter. Pending bits: possibly a sturmey archer crankset, silver seatpost & stem and a brooks B17 saddle. Now this is where i could do with your feeback/advice, im undecided on whether to go down the drop bar/far bar (dirtdrop) route or butterfly bars. Also thinking schwalbe big apple tyres (2.15) as although i might well go offroading its mainly for gravel track and road. I already have road bikes so want the ride to be a bit more upright and comfortable. Interested to know your thoughts on the riding position and whether drops is really the only viable solution for the frame.

Im from Malvern myself but now up in the Wirral so will keep an eye out for a roaming Vagabond next time im down visiting family 😯

In addition to fitting a Tubus logo rear rack, I've also fitted Tubus Duo lowriders (best price Rutland Cycles). They took about 10 minutes to fit. I've changed the standard handlebars for On-One Midge bars. They raise the drops by about 1 1/2 inches, and are very comfortable, especially on the drops. The angle of the brake levers is easy to get used to and they provide a wider bar for better control off-road. They're not cheap at just over £30, but I've found a company called Alpkit(.com) that do their own version (the Bomber) for just under £19.
When it comes to replacing brake pads, Uberbike do four pairs of sintered pads for £22.99. I've fitted a pair on the front calipers and they work very well.

I've also fitted a pair of Schwalbe Big Apple tyres (2.0", I think). Difficult to fit (have a supply of zip ties handy), but easy to remove. They're good on tarmac, although surprisingly harsh at medium pressures. I've gone back to the original tyres for the moment as they're good for commuting and most of my non-commuting rides are off-road.

So has any one loaded their panniers up and toured on their Vagabond yet if so how did it ride loaded?

I loaded mine with front and rear panniers, probably 10-15 kg, and it handled fine both on and off road. The extra weight was hardly noticeable.

Pictures

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Right, sorry for the massive delay, work has been crazy busy,
here's the rear with a Conti Speedking 29x2.0, 50mm at its widest on Halo 29er (23mm internal) rims
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loads of room there

this is an Onza Ibex 2.4 (its huge) 58mm wide on the same rim
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fits ok, bit tight down at the chainstays
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the only other tyre I had to try was a Conti Mountain King 2.2 (56mm on the same rim) but its much smaller than the Onza

Thankyou spev, really helpful!!

Didn't expect it could fit 2.4" on 23mm rims (well, didn't expect a 2.4" on 23mm would be just 58mm)

In the meanwhile my size went sold out and I found a great deal on a Fargo2 second hand so...
but I will keep am eye on next year frame, it's not hard to sell a Fargo... 😉

By the way: when Genesis is expected to show off 2017 vagabond?!?

Has anyone with a Vagabond got a comparison with a Surly LHT. Thinking of moving to the Genesis for the discs, but I love my LHT so its a difficult call 😥

I've built mine up and have been commuting on it this week - 10/12 miles each way of road, towpath with a few singletrack diversions thrown in. It's been great - a sturdy but nimble bike.

I'm pleased with the spec - TRP Hylex brakes, Alpkit flared drops, Arch EX/superstar wheels with 2.0 Big Apples and 2x10 gearing (38/24, 11-36) with dia-compe bar end friction shifters as I couldn't get hold of the indexed Microshift ones...

Hoping to use it for a mix of commuting/touring when not riding fat/full suss/road.

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Looks a great build stato. Just finished phase one of my build. Gone for something a bit different with alfine 8. Think im gonna change the cables to black though as bit of overkill on the green. Also 2.35 big apples still on trial. [img] https://flic.kr/p/L2DF77 [/img]

Sorry stato, got all mixed up 😳 that post was aimed at addy6402. Just for your info on first few trips out the vagabond rides lovely, mtb comfort with more nimble handling. My build: 29er wheels, alfine 8 on the back with alfine sporthub on the front (dynamo). Nitto noodle bars, jtek shifter. Sturmey archer crank with fsa 36t chainring, fsa orbit headset(cos its green), clark quad brakes(cos they were cheap), big apple 2.35 tyres. Going to add a brooks b17 saddle for a bit more comfort when funds (and missus) allows.

Third genesis bike, lovely frames and great styling, highly recommended.
https://flic.kr/p/L2DF77

Cheers moorsey72 - liking yours too, something a bit different with a classic look.

Nice, I wasn't keen on the idea of purple but it looks pretty good in the pics being posted. Ive gone for a blue full build as I found one on offer that I could get through c2w. Shouldve been built by now but not heard from the shop yet, hopefully next week. Will be taking the bar end shifters off if anyone is interested in them, I like them but wont suit the intended use.

Hi, First time poster here & I've been keeping tabs on this thread for a while. I have just finished building my Vagabond & hope to tour on it next year..Just got back from my first ride and must say how impressed I am with the handling and the positioning on the Vagabond.. I plumped for a small frame in purple and have come across a couple of issues, one being toe overlap and being unable to fit a rear mudguard, due to my 2.2 conti's being only a few mm's from touching the tyre..I have put some 40c Marathon Mondials on & have been able to fit the mudguard to the rear. I need to figure out how to attach a photo & will try to later, when I get home on the PC.. Glad I went for just a frame, then I could spec what I wanted.. Halo Vapour rims, laced to XT hubs ( the strong ones ) with 14mm plain gauge DT spokes.. My friend built them for me and he said they're good strong wheels. The rest of the spec is - midge bars,Thompson X4 stem,dura ace 9 speed shifters, TRP brake levers, TRP Spyres, Thompson seatpost, flite gel saddle, Deore tripple chainset, XT front mech, Deore Shadow rear mech,SKS touring pedals with restraps fitted.. I have also got myself a Ortlieb bike packing saddle pack and a Alpkit Kanga for the front..I may also get a frame bag, but not sure yet..Still debating if I whould put some Tubus panniers on and use my Carradice bags.. Eventually I would like to try bike packing, but will need to get a smaller tent, lighter sleeping bag and a smaller sleep mat.. Dont think my better half will be pleased though after how much I've spent on the Vagabond build..lol

Regards..

Smuggers

so can it fit big apples 2,35??

on what rims did you managed to?

on my Fargo I fit them on a 21mm rim it was a pain in the ass, I'm so worried to get a flat I wouldn't be able to fix it on the track

Hi guys. I also have a vagabong just wondering if anybody had any advise on chainsets I wanted to run a double with ideally at least a 42 on for more top end speed any recommendations as road chainsets don't fit due to the 73mm Bob shell.

STATO - yhm

ciquta - I've got approx. 1cm clearance from a 2.0 big apple on Arch EX to my XT front mech - I imagine a 2.35 would be pretty close! They are blooming tight to get on the rims...

Ciquita, i have 2.35 big apples on my build(pic attached on previous post). Run fine although i have an alfine fitted so no front mech to worry about getting in the way. Corners like a motorbike but considering something thinner for touring as they do tend to soak up any power you put through the pedals. Look cool though 😀

I just toured from Italy to the Netherlands on a pair of 2.35 big apples... very happy about how they roll, only downside is they push the BB too up, I can't put a foot on the ground while keeping my ass on the saddle...

BTW: the new Vagabond 2017 is unveiled!