[Closed] Genesis Longitude thoughts

I completely agree with you Frood, it's like they've completely ignored the unanimously positive feedback they've had about the Longitude with 29+ tyres on and and instead jumped on every new bandwagon with the 2016 model. This is a saturated market they're dipping into so I doubt they'll sell-out so quickly if at all.

And then we see the new forks......

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The forks really do expose the potential problem with this bike. In order for it to be long enough for people to replace it, it has to be aluminium, which will probably be harsh as hell with standard 29er wheels...

So Genesis have designed a bike around a fork that has been designed to be replaced...Smooth move.

And how on Earth did they only shave 8mm off the chainstays, given the fuss they made about the OD of 29 plus tyres!?

Especially given that the Stache managed 30mm shorter chainstays for 29 plus...

So we're all in agreement that the new Longitude is no longer a Longitude. I'm a bit of a newbie to all this, what would you guys have done in Genesis's shoes for the Longitude? How could they have made the 2016 Longitude better than the 2015 model.

Oh - just noticed there's no rack bosses on the back of the 2016 Longitude either. I'd pass this by if I was still in the market for one and ended up with an Ogre.

They didn't need to make it better, just to fulfil demand.
The 2016 longitude essentially appears to be a standard 29er frame with a stupid fork.

I don't, and never will have one, but maybe some new colours for 2016? I think that's all they had to do.

I can't really see, but no rack mounts? What are they thinking?!

Maybe their thinking is that people don't use the rack mounts on bikes like this, going instead for the seat-post mounted bags instead.
However the Longitude is my 2nd bike - I already have rack/panniers for a commuter and I wanted to use the same rack/panniers for the Longitude purely for cost and familiarity reasons. It was one of my main criteria in buying my first "expensive" bike. I'd have brushed the 2016 model aside and looked elsewhere. Also the rank mounts hardly preclude people from using the seat-post bags if they want to. I just don't see what they are thinking of when creating a bike for adventure but unable to put a rack on the back.

I suppose it's possible that the photos are of the pre-production model without all the bosses.

They've also skipped a set of bottle mounts. I used all 3 bottle mounts on the triangle a few weeks back on a 50 mile ride.

I'm glad I got the 2015 model.

aye... and they moved one of the sets of bottle mounts to the underside of the down tube... on a hardtail... WHY? Who likes a muddy waterbottle?

Oh god what have they done. I, being 5'5" would've actually considered buying the 650+ as a smaller plus sized option to 29+ but the ally fork and lack of rear rack mounts just make this completely unsuitable for it's actual purpose! I thought it was supposed to be freaking adventure bike.

Oh god what have they done. I, being 5'5" would've actually considered buying the 650+ as a smaller plus sized option to 29+ but the ally fork and lack of rear rack mounts just make this completely unsuitable for it's actual purpose! I thought it was supposed to be freaking adventure bike.

I quite like the bike, I think it's flawed, would need a new fork asap and to be run with normal 29er wheels. But tbf, i'd swap even a steel fork out for a carbon one straight away anyway!

Any idea what the A2C on that rigid fork is?

"The new fork measures 483mm axle-crown with 51mm offset – i.e. suspension corrected for a 100mm 29”/27.5+ fork"

Duh!

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I'm more tempted by this now for £750. Though the 1x10 puts me off a little. Doesn't have the anything cage mounts but atleast it has rack mounts if wanted and 3 bottle bosses.

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On looking closely at it, I like it.

It looks like it could take 3" tyres if you were running a singlespeed or a hubgear, and having Rohloff mounts as standard is a great idea.

That would make an ideal summer bike for me.

Now where's the stainless version?

That Marin perfectly demonstrates the problem. £750 for that or £1200 for the longitude...Both bikes have some compromises, but the Marin wins out purely on value, which was kind of the trick that Genesis pulled with the original Longitude.

Here's a funny pic from MTBR of the supposedely semifat Trailblazer next to a Vittoria Goma 29x2.4:

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The author found that the WTB was only 1mm wider than the Goma.
So much for the "increased volume" of B+...

How are people getting on with these as a trail bike running 29+? I'm seeing it as a (much) cheaper alternative to the Jones plus!

If you tend to chuck the bike around and pop every root'n'rock than you might find it a bit sluggy however for smooth rollin' it's ace! My High Lat that I loved and ragged is gathering dust at the mo' as the Longdude is soo much fun to bimble around! Though I haven't had a pleasure to meet miss Jones yet. 😐

I was looking at one of these frames to upgrade my hack bike, but lack of bottles cage bosses and apparently rack mounts mean its off the list. Inbred seems like best bet currently and a bargain price.

As much as I love mine it is slightly too big (at 20.5"), expect a classified ad for a little used one soon....

If yours was a 19" I would try to buy it right away

Here's a funny pic from MTBR of the supposedely semifat Trailblazer next to a Vittoria Goma 29x2.4:

I'm running both those tyres and that pic is misleading. I suspect neither tyre is sat on the floor and certainly not on a rim and inflated - though happy to be proved wrong. The difference in height isn't as great as shown and the WTB is on a smaller rim diam. Volume doesn't just come from wheel outside diam or tread width. What I know from experience is that the trailblazer feels very different to a 2.4 Goma.

I've just dipped back into this thread again and can't believe they've gone and changed all that was good about the 2015 model. I'm sooo glad I went for it when I did, by far the best bike I've owned. I built mine up from a frameset, 1x10 and with Duallys tubeless and I've barely touched my other bikes in months.

Thinking of this as a commuter/bikepacker. Did they possibly decide to go 650b as the choice of tyres should be better in the long term?. The length of time it's taken the likes of dirt wizards to arrive is a bit off.

I've got a 2016 650b+ one on test at the moment.

[url= http://bearbonesbikepacking.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/genesis-longitude-650b-first-look.html?showComment=1439900502147 ]First Thoughts[/url]

I really, really like the look of that Marin at that price. My first "proper" mountain bike was a Pine Mountain. I'm very happy with my Longitude, but if I was in the market again the Marin would win hands down for me.

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Still haven't ridden anything else since January...

My partner managed to get one of the originals from Genesis as a replacement for an Io Id. It's built with Jones Loop bars and a Rophloff hub. He's one happy chappy. It's like living in a menage a trois. Here we are on our first outing together.
[url= http://http://www.farawayvisions.com/genesis-longitude-dan-and-me-a-menage-a-trois/ ]The Longitude Dan and Me[/url]

leaving aside the fact that the general consensus is it isn't as good as last year's, is there anything about the 2016 model in itself that shouts 'don't buy it'? Still looks a tidy enough bike to me for general trails and exploration jolly days out? cheers

Who's actually ridden one yet? Any real experience of the 'harsh alloy forks'? modern bike luggage has made rear racks redundant for most.

Had an amazing weekend hooning with a bunch of friends in the Lakes. Surprising how quick the 3" knards are over rough stuff, easily kept up with the full sus chaps. Just hang off the back and go. I was concerned I'd be left behind on the tech stuff, but anything at red route grade I was having no trouble at all.

I had one blow out when I was really going for it - lesson is to keep the rear above 25psi on the standard 35mm rims on the sharp slatey stuff.

I also ran into a lady who had won a frame in a competition and was thinking of ebaying it as it didn't fit her needs - so keep an eye out. She had a test ride but my bike was obviously too tall.

So there you have it - Longitudes with knards are great for hooning and meeting people. Shame it's different this year, but as noted above - who's ridden one? Maybe they're great!

Any chance to find a 2015 size 19 frame in stock anywhere??

[url= http://www.freeborn.co.uk/genesis-longitude-bike-olive-green-2015 ]freeborn[/url] claim to have full bikes in stock.

Thanks, but I'm not interested on the full bike, too much an hassle to sell all the build kit...
But thanks for the tip, I'll speak with them

Look what I found:

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Its the 20.5", got it for a good price too - has to have been one of the last unbuilt 2015 framesets left for sale. More pictures to come once I actually build it.

Lucky guy...

Can't find a 19" frame or complete anywhere, guess I'll give up

I don't know why everyone is complaining, the new bike looks great and they've obviously put a LOT of thought into how they have designed and specced.

Love how people are complaining about the alloy fork without riding it. If they had made a steel fork it would have been very heavy (read the reason why on their site) and you'd be complaining about that anyway.

Anyone knows the tyre clarance (27.5+ or 29") of the 2016 frameset?

Stretchtoo...Knards at 25psi+?! Isn't that missing the point of them? I run my Knards at 10psi on Hugos......

Anyone knows the tyre clarance (27.5+ or 29") of the 2016 frameset?

I've been riding one for the last five weeks. Yes, the fork is stiff and no, it shouldn't be enough to put you off buying one.

Full review on the Bear Bones site in the next couple of days.

That's a lot of clearance.
Wonder if 29+ tyres will still fit, since the chainstays are not much shorter

Pork scratching was that from Soanes by chance? Very nice.

Robdob .. If it ain't broken and all that. My experience of alloy or steel forks I'd happily sacrifice weight and go steel

Coomber - Yes it was the one from Soanes. They were very good to deal with, nice shop.

Nearly built now just waiting for some guards and a couple of little bits.