kazafaza - what seatpack is that?
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If you decide to choose the Large one make sure you don't overload it. I've heard from three different folks that it might clip off(especially when the bracket is in the middle position). I'm yet to loose mine 😉
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I've finally plussed my Longitude! Knard on the back, Dirt Wizard up front(they do exist!) and I'm happily rolling with a bit more bounce.
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The Dirt Wizard is a serious looking bit of rubber...
Are framesets still available anywhere? (being 6'2" I think I'm looking at 19" frame..)
Bikes/frames are all sold out with Sportline, the distributor, don't know which shop has any stock left...
I'm 6'2.5" with short legs/long torso and went for the 20.5" with 60mm stem/740mm lo-rise bars/offset seat post. If you're anywhere near West Mids you're more than welcome to take my rig for a spin.
kazafaza: thanks for the offer! being few thousand km away I'll have to rely on the reviews here.. 😉
off to check some online shops whether any frameset can still be found..
BTW any news on the 2016 model? ETA? any changes in geo, etc?
So good news is new model will be available soon (like this or next week) and will be basically the same, according to a guy I spoke with at unitycycleworks.
Whats left is to sort out the sizing issue.. Looking at genesis website 19" seems like the ideal size (I'm 6'2" or 187cm) however few pages back in this thread someone posted measurement of the top tube which is significantly shorter than on genesis website.. Can anyone confirm the top tube length? What do you 6'2" guys (and gals) ride?
So is the new one capable of running 29+?
The new one is 29/27.5+ wheels only. 29+ has been dropped.
Sportline are releasing details of their new bikes today (Genesis, Saracen, Ridgeback etc.) so i'd expect some confirmation soon
I'd be surprised if they drop 29+ after selling their entire UK stock so quickly this year. Time will tell though as the 27" steamer continues to roll onwards.
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I'd be surprised if they drop 29+ after selling their entire UK stock so quickly this year. Time will tell though as the 27" steamer continues to roll onwards.
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Confirmed on facebook. Apparently they couldn't make it handle well with the big tyres due to the difference in diameter between 29 they sold it with and 29+. Smacks a bit of making up an excuse to cover a marketing decision to follow the 27+ trend.
Are they doing any 29ers or is this another company going completely 27"?
"Apparently they couldn't make it handle well".
Mine seems to work ok.
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Joking aside- it's not the best thing to do to slag off your own product is it?
Proper poor form that Facebook post is...
it will remain a 29er or 27.5+, just not 29+. They don't plan on making any 29+
Confirmed on facebook. Apparently they couldn't make it handle well with the big tyres due to the difference in diameter between 29 they sold it with and 29+. Smacks a bit of making up an excuse to cover a marketing decision to follow the 27+ trend.
Completely agree 😐
Have they actually changed the clearance of the frame though, or just swapped the advertising to 27+?
looks like a different fork atleast?
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Interested to see actual spec and price tommorrow (hopefully) as really interested in one for bikepacking...unless the Vagabond model turns out to be the monstercross of my dreams
I've spent the afternoon trying to post some pics for you all to look at. They're not great but you get the idea. I'll carry on trying.
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Well the new model is obviously not "basically the same" as the old one. From the picture above it seems that they went the short headtube + suspension corrected fork way which some might prefer others might not (eg me). Why would they drop the 29+ is beyond me.. that breaks the deal for me 🙁
I do like the new yellow color though
I could understand if they introduced a 650+ version for shorter riders. The whole point of 650+ is that it fits in EXISTING 29er frames. Building a 650+ specific frame is essentially just building a 29er frame, but with annoying new standards to make sure all your existing kit wont fit.
I think Genesis might have their work cut out convincing people this frame is any more useful for bikepacking/adventuring than an inbred 29er.
So with a sus fork its now basically just their standard bike (suspension forked 27.5+/29) with extra bottle and rack bosses.
"[i]Why would they drop the 29+ is beyond me.. that breaks the deal for me[/i]"
Me too, I'm glad I got one in time. It handles [b]beautifully[/b]. Best bike I've ever owned, bar none.
it does seem a bit like Genesis have jumped the shark, a bit.
(says a total Genesis fanboi, with 3 of them, and tentative approval for a fourth, which now can't happen, as they've just stopped making it)
There was a 2015 Genesis Caribou at Mayhem with a set of On One 29" non fat wheels on it which ticked all the boxes for me (vertical drop outs for instance) not that it matters now as I invested in an old Swift instead, that new Longitude ^^^ looks pants in comparison to the old one
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LH3.GOOGLEUSERCONTENT.COM This is my fat front set-up (Chronicle front, 2.35 Ikon rear) for doing c2c later this month. Kept the rear thinner to preserve the triple, because I'm fat and hartside is, well, steep...
According to Genesis (now, at least), this set-up should be rubbish, causing [i]"big changes in wheel OD that ultimately have a big effect on trail and handling"[/i]. Yeah, it makes it BETTER!
Better grip, better handling at speed, more cushioning and, weirdly, not too bad rolling resistance.
I now have three sets of wheels for my Longitude, the stock rims with fat-fat (1x10 or ss) or fat-not fat (triple/double), a set of hope tech xc wheels for fast xc with narrow(ish) tyres and a crappy set of wheels with super moto slicks on for commuting (geared or ss). However I set it up, it rides great (best on Chronicles though). This is the most versatile bike I have ever owned.
Though I'm sure the new Longitude will be a good bike, I just don't see a market for it. Afterall, you can fit 650 plus tyres in most 29er frames, meaning anyone who already has a 29er is only a set of rims and tyres away from a very similar (and much cheaper) bike.
Alloy forks with PM brake mount on the new Longitude? No thanks and no thanks!
Glad I've bought the mk1 frame and I simply love how well it rides with 3" tyres(even if Dirt Wizard is not a full-on three inch tyre). It's got to be the most versatile bike I've ever had. So much that I've stopped using my High Latitude and Day One!
It's a shame that Genesis decides to ditch another great model from their range - same happened to the Fortitude models.
Frood: Thanks for the tips on the stem. I've bought a cheap-ass 60mm stem from Evans but I've not had a chance to fit it yet (3 month old baby sees to that). I just want to see what sort of a different a shorter stem will make before spending on a better more permanent stem.
As for the new Longitude, I'm in a agreement with everyone. I can't understand why the dumped the 29+. When I was buying a bike back in winterI was torn between the Ogre and the Longitude, the Longitude won because it was British and cheaper. I'm not sure I'd have even spotted it if it was 27.5 as I was only looking for 29ers.
Saying that, it looks like they've made the front fork a bit more useful and I understand they've also made the dropouts Rohloff ready too.
Agh, can't believe they've dropped this, I was saving up to get one to replace my KM. Was it a whole year in production? Didn't the Fortitude only last a year or so too? Progression and continuous improvements are all good, but surely leave it a couple of years to make a big change.
The Monstercross bike looked interesting though.
I ended up buying a Surly Ogre frameset and was wondering if I shouldn't have waited for the 2016 batch Longitudes. With this new information I feel like I did the right move.
It recently got a brilliant review in a mag as well. Why send something for review if you are going to drop it?
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So, a 29er frame with an aluminium sus-corrected fork and 110 front hub, hang on, it must be special, you can put a rohloff on it...
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Look! a 29er frame for £500 that has clearance for 650 Plus...
Oh, hang on...
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This one's only £200...
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The beauty of the 2015 Longitude was that there weren't many bikes like it (and none easily available for £1000). The 2016 longitude, on the other hand, is pretty much the same as a lot of other bikes, but no cheaper (a lot more than an inbred).
The 2016 Longitude appears to me to have been massively compromised by a design process which seems more focused on picking which bandwagon to jump on than what works.
Obviously I haven't ridden the 2016 Longitude yet and I'm not saying it's a bad bike, there's just nothing about it that separates it from most other 29er frames already out there.
Sorry Genesis, I think you make some bloody lovely bikes (I own two of them) but when you sell me a bike which is so good I haven't ridden anything else for 6 months, then tell me that, actually, that bike is rubbish because it's not the same as most other 29er frames, forgive me if I call you out on it.
Alberts blog post.
I'm very glad that I managed to get a 2015 Longitude. I'd be sorely disappointed if I'd missed out or waited for this year's! I understand what they are trying to say, but as above, they've missed the fact that previously it was a bike with very few competitors, and with the previous frame price (£375 for frame, fork, headset and bars) there wasn't really any competition. The "it doesn't ride well with 29+ tyres" is a load of crap. It's very very capable I like the way it handles and I'll be keeping mine for the long run.
What frond says ^
More clearance but only takes 2.8 tyres with derailleur gears.
135mm rear dropouts, but 110mm front.
Stealth reverb hole!?!
Alloy fork because 27+ is comfy (no mention if it will break your wrist if you do run a 29 wheel)
To quote Genesis...
...we pray for your sanity.And, yes, we realise that one the one hand we’ve wholeheartedly adopted new standards and, on the other, gone well out of our way to avoid them!For those wanting to go the full monty with a custom-build frameset option...
And £200 more than last years
I wanted last years but they were all sold out before I could consider commiting the money to one. As above probably more tempted by start with a 29 Inbred and build from there if that's what I wanted.
All the new standards are actually putting me off buying a new bike this year after all...
All On-one need to do is market the inbred as a 27.5 plus/29er "bikepacking rig" and the longitude suddenly looks fairly pointless...
I'm still trying to figure out what the hell went through their heads on this.
The funniest thing of all, I believe, is this paragrafh on the 2015 Longitude (still on the website):
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Up front you'll find our non-suspension corrected 445mm axle-crown fork with 50mm offset. Why non-suspension corrected? Primarily so we can design the frame/fork as a whole, complete package and not be dictated to in terms of fork offset, axle-crown height. There are other bonuses too - a lower axle-crown height means less leverage so we can use Ø28.6mm tapered fork blades instead of Ø31.8mm. The end result is a lighter, more forgiving and ultimately better riding fork that is still plenty strong.
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And then we see the new forks......
Up until now, I really liked Genesis. Great ideas, all the models seemed well putted together. I almost bought a Genesis twice (only to then buy a Surly).
I knew something was wrong when they dropped the Fortitude Adventure...
