[Closed] Fast aggressive rear summer tyre

What does "aggressive" mean in relation to tyres?

WTB Vigilante upfront
WTB Trail Boss 2.25 on the rear
Wagon wheel size, all TCS Tough
Loving it

I hate to disagree with the riding God and tyre gimp Northwind but I'm liking the Slaughter I've just fitted. I needed to drop the pressure a bit yesterday but it worked well on the damp rocky steps on the climb up to Buzzards nest at Glentress. I'm riding everyday this week so I might hate it by Friday though

Butcher grid on front, slaughter grid on back.

Cant beat them really (as long as you dont ride in mud). Super tough,fast rolling,no punctures.

Only downside is theyre quite heavy.

stevenmenmuir - Member

I hate to disagree with the riding God and tyre gimp Northwind

You got that the wrong way round.

😆

Minion SS is just too narrow and square for wide rims.

I've just fitted an SS tonight on a 35mm internal rim and it has a lot more pronounced curve than in that photo. It poured with rain as I was fitting it so it may not be on for long!!

stevenmenmuir - Member

I hate to disagree with the riding God and tyre gimp Northwind but I'm liking the Slaughter I've just fitted. I needed to drop the pressure a bit yesterday but it worked well on the damp rocky steps on the climb up to Buzzards nest at Glentress. I'm riding everyday this week so I might hate it by Friday though

yip, no issues at GT in the damp with the slaughter

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Conti F-Trailking2.4 R- X-King 2.2
Quick and grippy, protection carcass and black chili rubber.

I was running trail king apex protection tyres but found the sidewalls too vulnerable for the rocky peak riding I do. Had good results with e13 but wear is too fast.

Currently considering the DHR II WT exo or the Aggressor double down.

Sorry if I'm asking something that was said earlier because I did not read every reply theres a lot of variables but still kinda simple what rim are you running on the back of your bike I personally run 2 sizes on bike with a 35i up front with a 29i on the rear for my own rig presently theres a Minion DHF WT 27.5x2.5 Maxx Grip compound up front with a DHR2 27.5x2.3 and Maxx Terra compound out back but feel the Minion SS in the 27.5x2.3 would be better choice for the overly sun baked Singletrack of So-Cal the dirt in the upper elevations still has a touch of moisture to it so the DHR2 is staying for now.

Some of the rim makers are posting tire size ranges with there rims so you know already what tires you kinda plan to run on your rig gives you a better idea of which width of rim to use front and back and why does everybody still run the same rim front and back hi-perf cars don't do it, hi-perf motorcycles never did it why do bicyclist put the same width rim front and back the tire makers really need to adopt this practice and give us rin sizing the gives us the best tire profile and guidleines of what to expect from a given width of rim they've done the testing you know they know now its time to get them to share what they know with us. Go with the Minion SS

I'm not at all a fan of the SS - just took it off my bike (G160RS 29mm rims). after all, when is it ever totally dry in the UK? I've gone to a shorty WT as I read they roll ok. seems fine so far - at least the back end is not wiggling all over the shop. if the shorty is too chunky then i'd run the DHF front and back. or DHF front DHRII WT back. i'm hopeful that the shorty will do the job.

2.3 DHF and DHR

or

2.3 HR2 and H Dampf

I find tyre pressures make a bigger difference than tread for grip

Northwind & Nobeer,
How does the Trailboss Tough/Fast compare with Supergravity Hans Dampf Trailstar for durability?
Looking for something with tougher sidewalls than the SG HD.
Maxxis dual ply is the sort of durability benchmark I'm looking to match.

How does the Trailboss Tough/Fast compare with Supergravity Hans Dampf Trailstar for durability?

Hey mate, these are my two usual rear tyres of choice, so I may be able to offer some useful insight (especially as we ride a lot of the same trails).

The WTB may be slightly stiffer in the carcass, but there's not much in it. I one put a hole in my SG HD (at Stiniog), but have not managed to hole the WTB yet. The HD offers better grip, especially climbing. The Trail Boss has more durable tread.

The Trail Boss is a good enough balance of tread pattern, carcass & price - but never really wows you.

Saying that, if you're subbing one in for that Magic Mary you had on the back you're going to love the rolling speed!

Worth a try if still £30-ish at CRC anyway.

What he says ^

The trail boss works reasonably well on everything, and with the durability added in, It's a good un. I can't comment on how it compares to Hans dampf as I only ever tried those on the rear for a few weeks, and all the side knobs departed (was a pace star compound) and I don't use schwalbe on the rear at all now.

Chakaping, Nobeer,
Thanks, on those recommendations, I'll give it a try.
Probably overcome some of the carcase stiffness and get a bit more grip by running it a bit lower with Procore in.

Which TrailBoss are we talking? Tough Fast, or Tough Hi Grip?

WTB Riddler has served me well so far for the past couple of months

Last year I ran with a Maxxis dhf of the rear at the Ardrock ,and even though im now running a minion ss in the dry I will be swapping that out the week before this years Ard.

I found the DHF quiet fast rolling with the added bonus of not having to worry about killing it on the rocks ,something which I know the Minion ss would struggle with.

Fingers crossed no wind 🙂

Submarined - tough fast.

Jut put my double down minion semi slick on. Will be interesting to see what its like tomorrow hopefully.

Been using a Maxxis Tomahawk Double Down on the rear the last few weeks and very happy with it on my dry dusty rocky trails.

Put a bit of a [url= https://orena45blog.wordpress.com/2017/05/25/review-maxxis-tomahawk-double-down-tyre/ ]review up on blog today[/url] if you fancy a check. 🙂

What does "aggressive" mean in relation to tyres?

Barks at dogs.

Had 3 rides now with a RR SG on the back (HD pacestar up front). Wow, what a revelation! Will stick a Magic Mary on the front though next time I'm back at BPW (or anywhere else where I won't be pedalling much)

That tomahawk looks a good compromise orena.

I ran a tomahawk, found the 3c compound fell apart on the rear.

I will probably try some Schwalbe Addix compound tyres when they are available.

Are we assuming from the info available that the bloke in charge of addix was poached from conti and addix is more or less black chilli?

Are we assuming from the info available that the bloke in charge of addix was poached from conti and addix is more or less black chilli?

Didn't know that. What are contis like durability wise?

Black chilli compound is generally quite durable, as it doesn't rely purely on softness for grip, its whatever magic nano particles they have in there that does the job.
Most durability issues you see with Conti are from agro riders tearing sidewalls.

I'm certainly interested to see some reviews of the new addix tyres. If they are genuinely a step up from the current compounds i'll definitely be keen to try a burt/ralph combo

Right, to bookend this, I found a Slaughter Grid for 28 quid. At half the price of most offerings from Maxxis, I figured it was worth trying. Gave it a good hammering at Friston today and very impressed, fast, yet seems to really bite when you lean it in, and it goes quite predictably when it lets go.

Will try it at BPW in a few weeks, and probably leave it on until slop starts to be an issue!

My only beef is the now mismatched tyres, ugh.

£28?
Where from?

I was quite taken with Slaughter grids last year and destroyed two in short succession by tearing knobs off and big gash in sidewall. Upped anti with a DH dual ply Slaughter and it was better. Then fashed that, so have gone back to High Roller dual ply and had all winter trouble free until Saturday when I cashed that on Garburn.
Running gashed Slaughter DH with a tube. Enough grip for summer in the Lakes.
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Does anyone else find that a HighRoller2 has an odd spot that appears to have no grip as you lean into it? Upright or hard leaned it is fine, slight lean = slidey....
I'm back off to an XR4 when these wear out (which at the rate the front soft compound 3c Terra thing is tearing knob edges, won't be long 🙁 )

Does anyone else find that a HighRoller2 has an odd spot that appears to have no grip as you lean into it? Upright or hard leaned it is fine, slight lean = slidey....

Some described it to me as "not a mincers* tyre", ie you have it ride it hard and lean right over in the turns to get it to work.

* No offence Matt, I don't like that slidey transition either 😉

Does anyone else find that a HighRoller2 has an odd spot that appears to have no grip as you lean into it? Upright or hard leaned it is fine, slight lean = slidey

I thought this was pretty commonly accepted about most Maxxis tyres as they tend not to feature transition knobs.

Some described it to me as "not a mincers* tyre", ie you have it ride it hard and lean right over in the turns to get it to work.

* No offence Matt, I don't like that slidey transition either

I thought this was pretty commonly accepted about most Maxxis tyres as they tend not to feature transition knobs.

It isn't really a transition knob thing, which is why it's not a universal thing with Maxxis tyres. I think a lot of the time a transition knob is a worse solution to the grip/slip/grip issue than an adjustment of the tyre shape, centre knob design and side knob design to change a tyre from a 'commitment tyre' to one that's more tolerant of poor technique, because a transition knob can causing mud clogging.

The original High Roller is more of a commitment tyre than the High Roller 2. I wouldn't say the Minion DHF is like this at all. The Minion DHR2 is slightly like this but not a lot. I do notice it with the HR2 - after the first sketchy corner I ride properly! 😉 The Shorty is extremely easy going, really doesn't care if you lean it or not.

If a tyre has a clear channel between the centre and side knobs then it may require more committed riding but if the centre knobs are shaped for cornering (like a DHF or Shorty) then it'll be pretty easy going, or if the centre knobs reach a fair distance into the channel and are still slightly shaped for cornering (like a DHR2). If the centre knobs are just made for braking and not turning (like an HR2) then you have to lean to the side knobs to make it turn.

I think a lot of the time a transition knob is a worse solution to the grip/slip/grip issue than an adjustment of the tyre shape, centre knob design and side knob design to change a tyre from a 'commitment tyre' to one that's more tolerant of poor technique,

Its a bit of a trade off. Transition knobs give you fairly uniform grip over a variety of lean angles, but as you say, they do increase likelihood of clogging.
Another alternative is to square the tyre up so it puts its edge knobs down earlier, but this runs the risk of washing out at bigger lean angles.

Ultimately, I think its good we have a choice of manufacturers that have different design ideas and goals so we can all learn what we like and pick accordingly.

Had a few rides on the DD Tomahawk now and I'm very happy with it.
Nice and fast rolling, decent bite when you crank it over and good climbing grip on tech climbs. Feels very robust too 🙂

"not a mincers* tyre"

Another test last friday at BPW. DHF/Slaughter combo in the dry and relatively loose/dusty. Slaughter was brilliant - Arguably grippier than the DHF which pushed wide a bit on some of the looser corners! Fast, held on at lowish pressures, dug in nicely, and stayed intact and undamaged on a whole variety of reds and blacks.
Will get a DHR for the winter and that's me happy!
Would thoroughly recommend.

Similarly, my friend was running a Magic Mary/Minion SS combo on his Jeffsy 29 with the stock, relatively narrow rims, and was equally happy. However, it did reinforce my suspicion that I wouldn't have wanted to stick that Minion SS on a 30mm that's for sure.

So it seems they changed the Minion SS late last year. Old on left, new on right:

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http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/maxxis-minion-ss-tire