[Closed] F-ing tubeless!!! Someone recommend me an air compressor!!!

machine mart - thats where I got mine from - I got oiled one but oil free is fine as well.

You won't get enough flow with that mini tyre pump - get one with a reserviour 🙂

BTW have you tried inflating it with a tube overnight first?

http://www.cyclistno1.co.uk/features/maintenance/stans-no-tubes-guide.htm

CO2? Or just a lot more soapy water?

neither of those compressors you've linked to will do any good.

to get the tyres to seat on the rim you need a sudden burst of volume to overcome the amount leaking from the bead, you'll only get that from a proper workshop compressor with a decent inflater.

Got all sorts of tyres up with just a track pump.

The key is mounting the tyre with a tube first to seat the bead and then leaving it for a while so the tyre shapes itself to the rim.

Remove the inner tube carefully so only one bead gets unseated and fit the valve to the rim. I then add the Stans fluid at this stage and refit the unseated side of the tyre. Swill the fluid round the tyre whilst tilting the wheel through different axis to totally coat the inside of the tyre.

It usually goes straight up then with a track pump.

after failing with compressors my extreme method was to duct tape the tyre onto the rim sounds mad but worked first time. CO2 apparently works.

copydex + latex mixture painted inside tyre side walls if they leak.

Contact adhesive (£5 from wilko?) on the bead of the tyre if it wont seat. Works seriously well and no issues removing tyre later on.

You don't have much luck do you mate!

You need something like this as a minimum...

[url] http://www.rutlands.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/6230 [/url]

And they're bloody expensive these days! I've got one similar that I remember buying about 7 years ago for about £35... You can pop round and use it if you want to save the expense of buying one yourself...

I know a chap who could help! 🙄

is this "real" tubeless or some sort of home-brew with a cut off tube ?

have you taken out the valve core and used a decent track pump ?

& LOADS of watery soap ?

(I don't put the jizz in at 1st, just soap - in case it goes badly & I abandon, or end up wearing the stuff due to a blowout). Tyre should still seat well enough with some effort at the pump, then I pump up hardish & leave for a while with the pump still attached to the valve. Even if it goes down later it should stay seated and you can remove the pump head and squirt jizz down the valve neck with a syringe before refitting valve & pumping up for good)

(I do have a compressor - Aldi, cheap but massive & very rarely used. I do use it for tyres because it's quick but I can "always" manage with a track pump)

track pump always works for me wit all sorts of tyre combos do you have arms like this:

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by any chance

have you tried putting a rope/strap round middle of tyre, slowly tighten (forcing tyre middle into rim well) and encouraging tyre edges/bead towards rim. This should increase fit and reduce air volume required to seat -ie you might manage with a pump.

Just put a tube in it and save yourself some cash!

really do not understand all this tubeless hype

it's easy peasy, it's just that ****wits don't do it right or try and bodge it or run stupidly low pressures and then claim that tubeless is crap to cover their ineptitude 😉

argos have got a compressor on sale at the mo...

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Pumped a tube up in it to get the bead seated etc - gonna leave it overnight.

Ghetto tubeless with a 20tube.

Ghetto tubeless with a 20tube.

🙄

sort of wot tazzy said - most problems seem to be with that sort of kit

UST tyre?
New tyre or well worn?

Get some CO2 to save yourself the hassle of going to a garage and much cheaper than a compressor unless you are doing loads of tyres.

[url= http://www.tyreinflators.co.uk/co2-cartridges-16gm/mosa-16gm-threaded-co2-box-of-10/prod_240.html ]HERE[/url]

just buy some proper rims strips and do it by hand?

Never had a problem with ust rims or stains without fluid using a track pump. As stains kit says when inflating ouch thumb on tyre directly above valve. Works a treat.

virtually neat washing up liquid - works every time.

Get one of these
http://www.bambi-air.co.uk/bambi/silent-oil-lubricated.html
And very very quiet plus made here.

Remove the core before inflating. Huge difference to amount of air you can get in quickly.

No compressor required. Having has the tube in overnight should work. I then hang the wheel up, deflate and remove the tube, re-seat 2/3 of the bead and put the goop in the bottom of the tyre. Remove and inflate to max pressure, slosh goop about, sorted.

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Just tried to inflate it but air is still coming out where the tyre doesn't sit right over the valve.

As you are using the 20" ghetto 'system' (as I do) have you pushed the tube edges down into the rim so that the tyre seats properly? It is usually very tight and unless you do that the tyre can't get hold of enough of the bead to seat properly.

BTW, I have never managed to get it to inflate without either a garage compressor or CO2 cartridge, despite soap and all the other tips detailed above, so it's not just you 😉

Might get some PVA on the rim to seal it 😉

Are you gripping it flat over the valve?

You need to hold the tyre so that it is flat and compresses against the valve area, a quick burst from a track pump and it works for me.

I put my tyres on my bike and used them for a coupe of days with an innertube first though, to make sure they beaded up properly.

Are you gripping it flat over the valve?

Have you read what I wrote on my first year of tubless above?

I use a touch of stan fluid on the outside of rims to help seal it, also give you track pump a service to make sure it work at it's most efficent (clean and grease it).
Some UST tyres just seem to work better than others though, couldn't do a thing with some Trailrakers I have, so gave up and used a tube with it 😳

Had my first go the other day (29er with 24" tube/ stans method)

I went down the garage and pressed the "fully deflated" button. The first one was a pain. Put the valve at the top and tapped/ squeezed the valve area until I got it to take. Once a bit of air was in, it went up to 50psi with no drama. The second one went up like there was a tube in it!

I havn't ridden it yet 🙁 Good news bike is in the shed with 2 still-hard tyres )

What tyre are you using btw? I am on Ardent 2.4s (non ust)

Maxxis minions.

I have done Minions, high rollers and advantages non-UST with stans and all went up OK - well no the first 2 didn't but that was because I was using brand new tyres - The tyres which have gone up very easily are part used - therefore the sidewalls have straightened and seat properly.

Are these new tyres BW? - I have found thick tyres like minions when new are very stiff - have you tried warming them up in the oven (not melting) and then trying?

Just get the Argos one, its well cheap.

But also buy one of these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/88444/Power-Tools/Air-Tools/Metabo-RF363-Tyre-Inflator

Not new, about three weeks old. I'm trying to fit them on DT Swiss 5.1 rims.

have you tried warming them up in the oven

Hmmmm I think that would be my final act in my house.

[i]have you tried warming them up in the oven

Hmmmm I think that would be my final act in my house.
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Dunno, many years ago I heated up my (motorbike) chain up in a big tin of grease in the oven - this was how you did it then, and you could buy a product for such work. No problems, except as I got it out afterwards I slipped and 'threw' it across the kitchen floor, and the lid came off...

Are they tubes with a lock ring on the valve stem? I found when using 20" tubes ghetto I had to really press the valve opening into the well of the rim with a screwdriver handle while tightening the lock ring in order to get the tyre to seat. Presumably the tube is still extending beyond the rim - i.e. hasn't been trimmed too much?

Then I am out of suggestions and "I'm out" 🙂

PVA - its the way forward!

no mate, UST is the way forward 😉

(they up now ?)

Had to go out today so will have to try wheb I get back

A year or so ago, I found a particular tyre impossible to inflate with my normally reliable B&Q compressor. I tried everything I normally do to get it seated. I removed the core and inflated with the wheel hanging on a hook and the valve pointing upwards (read this somewhere and it normally does the trick). I tried soapy water which left a complete me the garage and the wheel in a mess when I finally decided to give up. I took the tyre outside to hose off the gunk and decided to have one last go before calling it a night and hey presto ... up it went!

Now if I ever have bother I just go straight for the hose and it works every time.

there is one way

but it is a bit ....erm......exciting...

spay butane lighter fluid inside tyre, take one zippo and ignite the gas... hey presto one inflated and sealed tyre. Last time I did this (just out interest) it worked a treat scared me ****in silly and fulfilled my inner pyromaniac.

It also reduced my goatee by about 2" 😀

[url= http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/7112348/c_1/1|category_root|Garden+and+DIY|14418702/c_2/3|cat_15701048|Power+tools|14418763.htm?_$ja=tsid:11527|cc:|prd:7112348|cat:garden+%26+diy+%3E+clearance+garden+and+diy ]Argos Compressor[/url]

215.7Kg !!!

Given up!!! (for the time being)

Couldn't get either front or rear inflated. Different rims and tyres but no joy - tried all the tricks above. Been ill and off the bike all week so had time to get even more frustrated over a longer period of time.

Tempted to get the hubs relaced onto some UST ready rims.

Goz - you got a compressor then?

what a total ball ache this all sounds - just use normal tyres and tubes and get out for a ride ffs

Need tubeless for the trail I'm working on 🙁

Will be OK once its is bedded in but tubeless will help to bed it in and also determine where the energy is in the trail.

Eh?

Need tubeless for the trail I'm working on

Will be OK once its is bedded in but tubeless will help to bed it in and also determine where the energy is in the trail.

You what now?

Bushwacked - Member

Need tubeless for the trail I'm working on

Will be OK once its is bedded in but tubeless will help to bed it in and also determine where the energy is in the trail.

Cynic-al to the thread please! Complete rubbish alert!

🙂

Papa_Lazarou - Member

what a total ball ache this all sounds - just use normal tyres and tubes and get out for a ride ffs

With a little patience tubeless is easy to set up, some people just can't get to grips with it either trough impatience, incompetence or lack of opposable thumbs.

😉

I had to resort to the LBS recently to blast some co2 into my fully tubeless set up front wheel after 2 days worth of failed attempts to get the freeking thing inflated,so my advice would be to give that a go, after all I only actually take them right off when replacing the tyre so the fiver it costs initially is not quite as bad as it seems, and is well worth it due to the lack of punctures thereafter.

Translation - I'm in the middle of building a trail through a wood where there's a lot of hawthorn. Cutting down a lot of the trees has left a lot of debris on the ground (Think thorns) and even after clearing the trail there are some rogue thorns lying about.

Tubeless will allow me to check that the line is using the energy in the best way before building more of the trail. Tubeless seems the best way to do that without clearing all the ground just to find out it needs a minor correction.

Hopefully that explains what I mean.

I think some Co2 or a compressor is the best option going forward

Buy a couple of slime tubes, then go test the 'energy' of your trail.

Dude.

You need a compressor with a tank to push air quickly enough to seat the tyre. Or CO2

Another option would be some kind of pressure vessel - an old car tyre say, and a hose with a schraeder connector on each end.

Bushwacked - I know someone with a compressor who can help. You live in cheltenham right? email me - address in profile.

Just tried to inflate it but air is still coming out where the tyre doesn't sit right over the valve.

I had the same thing and used some zip ties to clamp the tyre down above the valve, worked a treat on one tyre and inflated in seconds, the other tyre didn't want to know so inflated it at the petrol station using their air pump.

 

For those nay saying the 20" tube method I use 3 different tubeless methods and it is as good and reliable as any. It easily stands the stress of 18st of me in bike kit being a clumsy oaf. Yet to have a ghetto tubeless puncture in 3 years!
BUY THAT ARGOS COMPRESSOR- it's a steal. If I didn't already have one I'd be off down there for one. Weight must be a typo, it'll be 25Kg.
I use a divining stick to find the energy in my trails man!

I use an Aldi 25litre air comp with an inflator and tyre soap they use at car garage - works everytime even for motorcycle tyres

UST, stop messing around!

My 6Ltr used compressor off ebay cost £40 and works a dream, don't go getting a 12V car tyre inflator, that Argos jobbie looks quite good value...

As for testing your trails "energy" you probably just need some divining rods and a druid, a trailside contemplation tepee may be a worthwhile investment also...

Dirtbiker100 - YGM

So these compressors, how do they attach to a presta valve?

Presta to shraeder valve convertor for £1

http://bicycletutor.com/presta-valve/

ordered, cheers foxy

BTW I had to file mine down a little and put some tape around the outer thread as my tyre inflator is cheap and cr@p 🙂

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I'm tempted to get one of those argos compressors for sixty notes but friend has a garage locally with a big compressor so gonna nip in there with my adaptor on saturday morning.

cool - yeh did that before I got mine - local garage lent me theirs but was easier int eh long run to get a compressor - my mum got me one in teh end which was nice of her 🙂

don't the compressors generally push less air than a good track pump? the one i got for my car does..

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080821110847AASMLSD

don't the compressors generally push less air than a good track pump?

Assuming you don't have horrendous hoses, no. You'll easily get >15CFM down the hose, as the tank is full of compressed air. Narrowbore hoses do rob flow rate though

If you're running through air faster than the compressor can compress it, you're limited by the capacity of the compressor (ie, the actual pumping part). That's an issue you get when spray painting, power sanding etc. Not one you should ever encounter with a bicycle tyre.

25L tank at 100PSI, bike tyre running at maybe 60 max? Gives about 40l of air at 60psi I think...

Thanks to the legend that is Dirtbiker100 I am now in temporary possession of a whopping big compressor. Lets pump!

Finally got round to giving it a go with the compressor and Whoosh... first time the tyre inflated with no sealant or soapy water.

Deflated it and put the sealant in and did the other the same and both are up and 3 hours later still up. Gonna see how they are overnight but no obvious air leaks so far.

Compressors rock!!

first time the tyre inflated with no sealant [b]or soapy water[/b]

Scaredy - why 🙄 ?

Nice one - who cares if you used a compressor, you got the job done!!

Good to hear it Bushwacked!
Not that I was secretly worried if it would work...
Now I just need to find a way to carry the thing in my backpack!

Will try and meet you tomorrow morn up the hill. No promises but I shall try.