[Closed] Expensive Stems - Waste of Money ?

I did notice a big difference in stiffness between a cheap carbon cycles alloy 65mm stem and a 50mm Renthal - but that's no surprise when you compare the shapes of them.

I bought a nice RaceFace stem here some time ago for about 20 quid. It looks awesome.

Did I feel any difference when it replaced a Merida-branded one on a bike? Not at all. But it looks awesome.

I wouldn't buy it new for its full price though.

I had an old Ritchey stem that didn't feel quite right. I don't think it was the stem itself flexing, rather the pissy little face plate that had hardly any contact area with the handlebars.

Onzadog - Member
Stems are an interesting one. Mid tang are often forged and high end machined. Gram for gram, forging would give a better stem, but machining looks cool.

Syncros MegaForce is forged rather than CNC'd, they're a great wee stem. Stupidly high RRP but you can get them for around half online, and they have a 10 year warranty.

I baulked at price of new mid to high end stems too 🙁

Secondhand Thomson £40 like new job done 🙂

I like a nice stem. Thankfully used ones are just as good so eBay will eventually turn up a good deal.

Had a Kalloy Uno on my road bike, it was very light and very cheap, but it just doesn't look as nice as a Thomson and I'm not afraid to admit I like my bikes to look good (to me at any rate).

RSP do a nice 35mm 'Trail' stem for about £25. Only the faceplate is branded so shouldn't offend too much.

Funnduro here fitted to my 29er.
Wouldn't want it on an actual enduro bike though as it seems too light and twists/flexes ever so slightly I reckon.

They're OK on a full enduro bike, but the Funn Strippa is slightly beefier and the same price.

Bike Monger was flogging Crank Bros ones for £40. They looked quite nice, might be worth it for cosmetic reasons. I do need to change the one on my Salsa - the white doesn't look great and like I said it's corroding.

Hmm.. Salsa do stems.. I wonder if it would look cool or just like cheap OEM by matching the bike?

plus one - Member

Secondhand Thomson £40 like new job done

Thomson reckon the face plates of their stems are a consumable and need replacing every so often.

The 130mm stem on my road bike flexes like a MF when I'm sprinting, and it's a fairly nice one (high-end Deda).

I'm neither a sprinter nor very strong, so god knows what the pros manage to put theirs through.

[b]richardthird - Member[/b]

RSP do a nice 35mm 'Trail' stem for about £25. Only the faceplate is branded so shouldn't offend too much.

This is what I've got on my current bike, it's quite nice in the flesh, the graphics are more subtle than the photos suggest, and you can't see the face plate when you're riding!

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Things are so nice and peaceful over here on the bike forum aren't they? A nice discussion about stems 🙂

When i changed from a Truvativ stem to an Easton Haven 6 years ago, i noticed a massive difference in stiffness.

I get excited when I look at my Easton stem too.

sirromj - Member

So how much flex can you feel in a 40mm stem?

Depends if you know how expensive it was.

I just replaced a very cheap Pro with a Renthal and it made no difference whatsoever. Except that it'll be a wee bit easier to swap 40 and 50mm, which is why I got it. Otherwise, it's very easy to make a decent stem.

I always love the Thomson thing- people say it's worth paying extra for quality, and you say, why do you think it's quality, and they say "because it's expensive". Thomson make shite stems. The bolts are too small and the faceplates routinely crack, they're literally the only manufacturer in the world that thinks faceplates are a consumable. They're not even especially light.

You can also buy bad cheap stems too of course. But if you're going to buy a bad stem, why make it an expensive one?

OTOH, one of the magazines reviewed the exact same stem, one branded Answer and one branded Superstar, and one of them was impressively stiff and the other was noticably flexy...

I didn’t necessarily feel 31.8 was flexy but my first 35mm setup happened because it was in a sale (so cheap) and the right colour. 35 was noticeably stiffer as a pair though - although I’d tend to point the finger more at bars than stems for this.

I used to like a nice stem but ended up with a Brand X one on the current bike. I can’t tell any difference from the Spank or Hope ones I used to have and I really like the fact the X is rather plain. Each to their own though and if you want some shiny shiny I say go for it.

Things are so nice and peaceful over here on the bike forum aren't they? A nice discussion about stems

STW became so much less annoying when I bookmarked the bike forum instead of the main forum! 😉

The consumable Thomson faceplates is madness. I know my Hope stems were rather expensive but I like them, they just work. I'm sure many cheaper stems would work well too but in the scheme of things the extra cost matters little as I change bikes infrequently. I have a Raceface stem on the other bike which doesn't look as nice but it too doesn't slip or creak or flex. My Renthal Duo did creak which was infuriating!!!

Back to the original question, there not a waste of money if you don’t think they are. They may not perform any better but nice things are nice so if you want one, they’re worth it. If you are happy with a cheaper one then cool.

The other thing about nice stems, bars, saddles etc is that in the grand scheme of bike things they’re not that expensive. Can I afford gold eagle stuff? No. Can I afford XTR? No. Can I afford a carbon frame? No. Can I afford fancy trinkets up to about £150? Yes. The end.

Jamesfts: yes, exactly. New bike build, just checking all the bolts, decided to just nip up the steerer bolts a touch...
I reckon a quarter turn less would be about right.

I did notice a big difference in stiffness between a cheap carbon cycles alloy 65mm stem and a 50mm Renthal

I doubt it would be the stem itself but it could conceivably be the interface between it and the bars.

I think it was one of these:

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vs one of these:

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Obviously quite different designs. I don't know the wall thickness on the first stem but the 50mm Renthal weighs 139g and the 60mm Carbon Cycles 157g. Can the extra mass of the latter add enough wall thickness to make up for the smaller cross-section's reduced torsional stiffness?

Obviously quite different designs. I don't know the wall thickness on the first stem but the 50mm Renthal weighs 139g and the 60mm Carbon Cycles 157g. Can the extra mass of the latter add enough wall thickness to make up for the smaller cross-section's reduced torsional stiffness?

I would guess it can more than make up for it as it's a closed section rather than the 2 halves of the Renthal stem.
Can't remember the ratios but a circle with a gap is much much less stiff torsionally than a complete circle. The Renthal stem on its own will be less stiff - but as above, bear in mind that there will be negligible flex on an item like a stem anyway, as it's so short (deflection is proportional to 1/length^3 and even angular deflection is proportional to 1/length^2), it could be the interface with the bars though - think about how thin the section is at the bolts, plus how the wall of the bars might flex depending on how the stem supports it.

My head says Brand X - My heart says Gammut

I best stay out of this after spending nearly a ton on Chromag stem...

(Chromag frame means Chromag bars and stem are mandatory).

Bloody lovely though...
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Jesus that things ugly. Can't see the point of and expensive stem for a modern mtb when it's only 35mm in length. Still worth getting a decent one for the road where paying extra gets you a better stiffness to weight ratio.

Odd to say but I still think my fav stems were the road ITM Millenium used by the likes of Mapei and Lance. Off road Easton used to make some cool looking stems. But in the new mtb world where they are just stumps of metal they all look ugly and function similarly.