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I can see the sellers address on eBay for the shoes I bought yesterday.
So I would say that's pretty standard yes.
Yet I can't for the kids life jacket I bought yesterday or the Oars I bought this am. 😕
It may depend on the seller having an address registered/confirmed with eBay then maybe ?
Either way, I can't see a problem with it.
He's sending cash. He can't do a chargeback or cancel a cheque or send a fake bank draft or whatever.
Once it arrives you bank it and send the bike.
If it doesn't arrive then you don't send the bike.
Sorted.
Assuming they are genuine yes then nothing can go wrong but that can be said for any payment method. I remain sceptical it's an odd tactic to use, "Oh I'll pay cash for you to avoid the charges".
So as the OP asked yes it's possibly a scam and not one I'd risk.
Overdrawn at the bank but cash in hand and no common sense.
or paid in cash and doesn't want to declare it to the tax man.
Lots of reasons why he may want to do it that way.
Other than knowing your address nobody has out forward a decent explanation of how this supposed "scam" might work.
And if he called and said "I'll come for it tomorrow and pay cash" you would all happily give him your address anyway 😐
Yeah there is many reasons why it could be genuine.
And if he called and said "I'll come for it tomorrow and pay cash" you would all happily give him your address anyway
Errr no I wouldn't he could meet me at work or a busy public place.
You are in the minority then I would suspect.
I have collected loads of times from people houses.
And had had stuff collected from mine a fair few too.
I've never been robbed or murdered either.
Are you sure you've never been murdered?
A lot of people 'say' they've never been murdered. Who do you believe?
I'm pretty sure it was manslaughter but I didn't attend the trial, for obvious reasons 🙂
Ah that makes sense.
In which case is assume that Drac was selling a nicked bike....
Forgot to mention that the buyer already knew my address. Possibly because I checked the buyer can collect box? I'm not sure but I will update this thread with the outcome.
In which case is assume that Drac was selling a nicked bike....
Say whaaaaat?
[quote=burnie ]He has replied and said that it is just to save me ebay fees. He also says that he has sent the money (first class recorded) so I guess I just have to wait and see whether anything turns up, and in the mean time get some bombers (big ones 66s at least) just in case!
You have to pay ebay fees on the amount you sold it for regardless of what he actually paid you. It may save you some PP fees.
Make sure the cash is banked before doing anything.
It may not be a scam but it's not 100% safe either way, especially with the way some posties handle signed for mail (I used to get the signature scan to try and work out which neighbour to ask first) or it was just signed for by the postie and dropped in the mail box.
Just thought of another possibility. After cash is received and banked as genuine, the seller ships the frame and all seems good. Then the buyer disputes the transaction value and recalls the deposit, but by now you have 90% of the value banked anyway so you just go along with it for an easy life, and he gets a 10% discount that you wouldn't have agreed to at the start.
If you really want to make sure, you could video yourself unwrapping the envelope and counting the cash.
I just had a guy send me cash, it was all straight up, he just preffered to deal that way.
I did an ebay scam thread a while back, its the people who want to deal outside of ebay but pay by payapal (then call it back) that are the scammers.
In which case is assume that Drac was selling a nicked bike....
I never trusted that Drac. Shifty looking bugger.
Just thought of another possibility. After cash is received and banked as genuine, the seller ships the frame and all seems good. Then the buyer disputes the transaction value and recalls the deposit, but by now you have 90% of the value banked anyway so you just go along with it for an easy life, and he gets a 10% discount that you wouldn't have agreed to at the start.
So cash in an envelope is far safer than dealing through PayPal then ?
Otherwise he could get 100% back rather than just 10%
No. Because if he disputed for 100% of the value you'd counter it. By pulling back a smaller % under the pretence that the goods weren't as described / not worth what you claimed, you're more likely to write that off as after all, you've still got 90% of the value.
You have to pay ebay fees on the amount you sold it for regardless of what he actually paid you. It may save you some PP fees.
There is a way round this actually if you are being paid in cash and/or the buyer is collecting.
When the transaction has been completed, make the buyer aware that you are going to cancel the transaction through eBay (this is totally legit, you can do it). Provided that the buyer agrees to this and replies to the message which eBay sends them to this effect, then eBay cancel the transaction and refund all your listing and final valuation fees.
I've done this several times with cars, bikes and motorbikes which I've sold privately on eBay and never had a problem.
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Best way.... settle cash face to face at a 3rd party location.
Another common legend is that's a nice way to mug someone and have off with the goods/cash.
3rd party location in a safe well observed place.
Maybe with a police officer to supervise it, or a judge (make sure they're wearing the wig) 😀
Have to admit though I'm extremely wary of people coming to my house to collect things. I stopped using Freecycle for that very reason, especially when chucking out old gadgets "for free" and seeing the right dodgy looking characters that turn up to collect. Yeah, next thing they could come round looking for the replacement they can pick up for free 😉
i was trying to sell my bike last week and after finding out ebay take 10% + paypal fee i ended the auction as it was for a 8-900 quid bike ..
if someone had said ill give you cash now id have taken it and avoided any fees?
how ive sold many motorbikes and avoids ebay sting..
cash is king still and yes you can still bank it to keep hmrc happy
I never trusted that Drac. Shifty looking bugger.
Cor blimey Iz been propa rumbled I az.
No. Because if he disputed for 100% of the value you'd counter it. By pulling back a smaller % under the pretence that the goods weren't as described / not worth what you claimed, you're more likely to write that off as after all, you've still got 90% of the value.
Exactly my point.
Cash is safer than PayPal.
He can't dispute anything or get anything back if he pays 100% in cash.
Makes no odds whatsoever if he brings it in person, sends it in a Jiffy bag or fires it into your garden out of a cannon.
Cash is totally safe proving you bank it before sending the goods to check its genuine currency.
To me cash is just a nause. I have hardly any need for actual cash in my life save a few quid in my pocket to buy a pint or a coffee once in a while and even then you can put it on a card most of the time.
For me cash, or a cheque for that matter means a 15mile drive each way to a bank to pay it in and only when they are open as the nearest one dosn't have a deposit facility. And I'm at work when they are open.
Irrespective of the safety issues I would rather the buyer had the faff and I got the money in cold hard electonic nothingness!
Exactly my point.Cash is safer than PayPal.
He can't dispute anything or get anything back if he pays 100% in cash.
Agreed. But the thread is whether offering to pay 10% by PayPal as deposit and the rest by cash, sent by post, could be a scam. And I've offered up a way in which it could be. He hasn't offered to pay it all in cash, therefore in this situation, it's largely irrelevant whether it's better or not.
Cash by post, tell him to get lost. The next thing will be that he asks you to send after he has done the "token" paypal payment and will send the cash after goods received which he never will. Some people would actually fall for this
Cash by post, tell him to get lost. [B]The next thing will be [/b]that he asks you to send after he has done the "token" paypal payment and will send the cash after goods received which he never will. Some people would actually fall for this
So your judgement is based on something that the buyer hasn't asked the seller to do then ?
Its pretty easy to protect yourself against this sort of "scam"
Firstly - Dont send the bike till the cash is banked
Secondly - He hasnt asked him to send before Payment anyway so no real need to worry too much.
In which case i'd assume that Drac was selling a nicked bike....
Say whaaaaat?
That wasn't very clear.What I meant was if I wanted to check a bike over then pay cash, then I'd be very wary of meeting someone anywhere other than there house if the only reason was 'I don't want you to know where I live'. Why? What is there to hide? Is it nicked?
Why? What is there to hide? Is it nicked?
Not nicked no but now you know where I live you might nick it.
And I think this is why you'll never sell a bike to me 🙂
I agree with Tinybits. If I arranged to buy a bike, and the seller wanted to meet at the local park, I would think it's a bit off. Wouldn't totally dissuade me, depending on the bike/price, but still. I would wonder why.
....plus it means I couldn't case their joint, so I could burgle it later.
That wasn't very clear.What I meant was if I wanted to check a bike over then pay cash, then I'd be very wary of meeting someone anywhere other than there house if the only reason was 'I don't want you to know where I live'. Why? What is there to hide? Is it nicked?
Kind of agree - if buying a car 2nd hand I'm always very suspicious if the seller wants to meet in a public car park/ service station etc. And I think that would follow on to other valuable goods too. I understand Drac's point though - it's a miserable mistrusting world isn't it!
The more I think about it, the more I believe there is a gap in the market for a service that offer an intermediary location for people to meet up and sell stuff. This way, [s]Drac[/s] the seller, won't think he is being targeted for a robbing, the buyer is confident he won't get hit in the head with a brick and his money taken, and the intermediary can take 2-5% of the sale.
...maybe the police could do it to make up their funds.