So as long as they let walkers use the permissive footpaths, and bikers use the permissive bridleways, which they do, they are meeting the conditions of the tax break.
Which is what is being challenged. The public footpaths are redundant with the access laws and the bridleways are shite. So what has that cost the taxpayer?
Where I live now in Shropshire there a farmers who positively block access to legal footpaths let alone permissive ones.
You need to speak with the local right of way officer and also the ramblers assocation. I am sure they would be willing to take action (at least the ramblers, the row officer is highly likely to be deliberately overworked and underresourced to limit their usefulness).
I am somewhat baffled though as to what you think the relevance is here. Are you thinking Cycling UK should be advocating about footpath access for walkers? Or are you just trying for some tedious diversion?
Of course they are not perceived as rich land owners so thats ok ?
No its not but keep strawmanning away. In reality the samething applies to both groups. Lots of tax payers money goes to those guardians of the countryside so where is the return on investment.
There are some lovely footpaths that would be good to ride up there, but they are that footpaths, so you shouldnt ride them
Well thank you for that deep insight.
So as long as they let walkers use the permissive footpaths, and bikers use the permissive bridleways, which they do, they are meeting the conditions of the tax break.
That's not the case though as they shut some of the BW's when they want to shoot animals. Barden Moor is not freely accessible all year round.
So as long as they let walkers use the permissive footpaths, and bikers use the permissive bridleways, which they do, they are meeting the conditions of the tax break.
Part of the problem is that we don’t know the conditions of the tax break. Without knowing what the conditions are the agreement is always going to seem to be weighted pretty heavily in favour of the estate (I’m not saying it isn’t). The main point is that these arrangements should be public to ensure that the Treasury, or whoever they delegate to make the arrangement is getting value for what in effect is public money.
So as long as they let walkers use the permissive footpaths, and bikers use the permissive bridleways, which they do
There's not a single metre of permissive bridleway.
All there is is the Hare Head bridleway described at the top of this page, which is an actual right of way and used to ride nicely, now turned into a real toothrattler in the middle section by cows.
There’s not a single metre of permissive bridleway.
Well there is your answer then.
There are not many BW created any where in England are there, so why should they be created on private land?
That’s not the case though as they shut some of the BW’s when they want to shoot animals. Barden Moor is not freely accessible all year round.
The buggers do the same in the quarry opposite my house when they want to do a Motorbike Enduro event. The only BW in the area and they close it off, and thats not even on the private land bit, just to ride motor bikes !
I am going to jump to conclusions now, and make assumptions not based on the facts that have been proved.
I bet the tax income that HMRC get from the estate, and from its employees/local economy far outstrips the tax that would be saved from removing the allowance. plus the positive impact that the estate has on the impact of health of people in the local communinty.
Maybe the owner should remove the tax break and then shut off the estate to us commoners?
100's of jobs would be lost, the estates wouldnt be kept in such good condition, history would disappear, the economy of the local area would suffer massively.
There are not many BW created any where in England are there, so why should they be created on private land?
You did notice the reference to "permissive" didnt you? The obvious reason for it being the case here is because of the tax exemption. What is the public actually getting for this?
Maybe the owner should remove the tax break and then shut off the estate to us commoners?
Aside from he couldnt do that could he with the open access agreement.
Now he could stop running those running and other events which people pay for but then he would lose all the cash.
You seem to be confusing what the tax break is for vs commercial activities.
100’s of jobs would be lost,
Evidence for this?
the estates wouldnt be kept in such good condition
Ha aha aha hahah hahah.
A large portion of it is a typical grouse moor desert.
dissonance - +1. Good condition for what? 100s of jobs? Bollocks.
I bet the tax income that HMRC get from the estate, and from its employees/local economy far outstrips the tax that would be saved from removing the allowance.
Well, providing he pays the tax he should, which I imagine he doesn't there would be plenty of tax taken due to the eye watering prices they charge.
plus the positive impact that the estate has on the impact of health of people in the local communinty.
Used to be the case when it was free to park off peak, and even when they started charging for more of the time for a fiver but since they put the price up to £10 and now £15 for the pleasure of parking, most of the locals keep away.
That’s not the case though as they shut some of the BW’s when they want to shoot animals.
They don't bother closing them (it) officially, they just try (unsuccessfully in my case) to turn you back when you're halfway across and approaching their shoot.
The actual official closures are CROW exemptions/restrictions, so don't cover PROWs.
Yes the moorland is fairly vast, but christ those paths are a bit dull to ride on unless I guess you like gravel bike riding.
Deathly dull, can't see why anyone would go up there.
I’m reading the book of trespass at the moment. It’s equally enlightening and frustrating. I keep putting it down wanting to start a mass trespass as the whole situation in England and Wales beggars belief. Even ignoring the fundamentals in the book, the cycle access issue is just not really fit for purpose in England and Wales. The footpath/ bridleway thing is a mess.
It is possible still to log old tracks with the county definitive maps people. The issue is that these departments are woefully, under resourced and there is a backlog of years. There’s no appetite to do anything about it it seems.
There has been some positive news this yr with the proposed 2026 deadline for registering unrecorded rights of way now withdrawn - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/17/deadline-to-register-englands-footpaths-cancelled-after-public-access-campaign
Yes the moorland is fairly vast, but christ those paths are a bit dull to ride on unless I guess you like gravel bike riding.
shite pic but this starva segment is not entirely gravel bike friendly. There is some okay riding up there and could be a lot more.
