The last time JP attended an injured rider on Jacob's Ladder he, and Glen, ended up pushing the guy's bike back to Hayfield.
All good having a organisers contact number but a contact number in case of emergency would be of more use.
This from Ben, another witness:
"Julia did not walk backwards the guy was falling off before julia was crouched down and tried to move out of his way and Graham took the full force as the numpty planted his palm is his chest and shoved him into the fence."
Top marks for helping this unfortunate guy today, hope he makes a speedy recovery.
However, I am sorry to say, that I find it most distasteful that you feel the need to post photos of this guys predicament on a forum.
SFB - correct
that I find it most distasteful that you feel the need to post photos of this guys predicament on a forum.
He asked how soon he could have the shots for his Facebook page :o) This is what I always do unless the subject objects. It's called reportage. I've posted some 35,000 photos on our website over the past 7 years and had about a dozen take down requests, the most common reason being "My bum looks too big in that" :o)
good work boggies! 🙂
snowslave - thanks
Simon I think Julia may have his surname so I if I can get it I will request friend on facebook you can then send pics
make him safe, as comfortable as possible and alert the emergency services
Agreed, not expecting people to take scrubs, a hacksaw and scalpel out on a ride! Sorry if my comments came across as critical of your actions, that wasn't my intention at all. Just wanted to point out that first aid training is great, and often paid for by your employer 🙂
No worries mate and my training was indeed paid for by my employer. I'm glad it came in useful even if it was to little effect.
"He asked how soon he could have the shots for his Facebook page"
Not quite the same thing as putting them on an open forum methinks!
"Not quite the same thing as putting them on an open forum methinks"
there's always one...
Not quite the same thing as putting them on an open forum methinks!
well, we shall see - if Chris objects once he's online again I shall apologise... but I can't help feeling he'll have more immediate matters that concern him far more!
Good work Boggers, does 'Chris' look like David Walliams ?
does 'Chris' look like David Walliams ?
I didn't get that impression. I did wonder when he stood up if I'd have slagged off his riding ability if I'd known he was so big - briefly :o)
Would it be terribly wrong to say I am not in the least interested in the chap - to be honest he isn't going to be losing sleep tonight over my mashed up knee. All I am really interested in is pics of Julie and the nurse. Is that really out of order?
Is that really out of order?
grumpy tonight Simon ? If you're not interested then look away. I'm interested beause I sat next to him for an hour while he suffered considerable pain without complaint. I'm not much for empathy myself, but people have been very kind to me in the past when I've injured myself, so I wanted to return the favour.
Post us a pic of your poorly knee and we'll say diddums 🙂
Not grumpy just a bit trashed after a night out in Dumfries with Trekster 😀
just a bit trashed after a night out in Dumfries with Trekster
and you fell over pissed and hurt yourself ?
That was at Kirroughtree and not alcohol related 🙂
That was at Kirroughtree
you have my sympathies - the Seven Stanes [b]are[/b] a bit pish :o)
As opposed to England where people who have a minor off on a piece of uber-flat double-track bridleway and need a helicopter 😀
I said you was grumpy...
why was a helicopter necessary?
I had a similar injury and walked back to the car and drove to A&E
why was a helicopter necessary?
I have no idea who made the decision. Mountain rescue arrived only minutes after the copter. The heli crew said something about wanting trip out on a nice day. As for walking out, it's hard to assess someone else's pain - when I broke my collar bone there was no pain at all till I arrived in A&E 2 hours later and passed out. Chris said 9/10 where 10 is the worst pain ever, and looked very shaken. I believe in that state his motor insurance would have been void. And he was parked 10 miles away in Hope.
Sorry to spoil this group hug but was an air ambulance really necessary. He looks and sounds (to my army training) like walking wounded.
Sorry to spoil this group hug but was an air ambulance really necessary
to reiterate, no one ask for an air ambulance - and the only person with a first aid qualification deemed it best for him not to move. Had people been shooting at us we would helped him to shelter. Perhaps next time I should tell a fallen rider to man up and sort himself out ? Oh and to stop blocking the trail for the busy racers ? I shall of course look into billing him for the hour of our time he thoughtlessly wasted...
Coleman - Member
Top marks for helping this unfortunate guy today, hope he makes a speedy recovery.
However, I am sorry to say, that I find it most distasteful that you feel the need to post photos of this guys predicament on a forum.
Suspect that a lot of it is to do with SFB wanting to be the centre of attention - again.
Suspect that a lot of it is to do with SFB wanting to be the centre of attention
and there was me thinking I played a minor bit part...
Look this perhaps isn't the place to have this discussion. Firstly I'm completely neutral in this - I don't know the guys who stopped and I don't know the "nobber" who I was following. What I saw was the lady crouching down. She had her back to the trail. She extended a leg into the trail and moved her weight over it and began to sidle down to the injured party. Thats when the crash happened. And I did stop to offer sympathies to the injured fella.
Well done to everyone involved in helping this bloke out. I was doing the same charity event but was about half a mile back up the hill when we heard the chopper take off. I hope that if I'm ever in need of assistance it is as abley and as unselfishly provided.
I just don't understand those who harp on about 'surely not a case for the air ambulance'. It's not the decsison of those on the ground until MR or paramedics get involved. And for those who maintain that line - if you're ever unfortunate enough to be in a similar situation I imagine your principles would go straight out the window when the pain hits you.
Oh, and SFB, good pics 🙂
Interestingly, at the start of the event The worlds biggest MTB rider went past me. He blotted out the sun as he went past and when I looked across to see why it had gone dark, my head was level with his waist. He was riding the biggest Spesh (?) I've ever seen. Wonder if it was the same bloke?
No, his bike was a carbon Scott Genius
and as unselfishly provided
well apparently not so unselfish as I merely used it as a vehicle for self promotion 🙁
I emailed the secretary of Kinder mountain rescue to thank his team for their help, and he said:
"When there's an incident in a Mountain Rescue Team's patch it is usual to turn out the Team even if an air ambulance is on the way for a number of reasons. For example there is no guarantee that the helicopter will find a suitable landing site and/or there may be a need to carry the casualty to the helicopter's chosen landing site."
SFB,
Wheres the 'hot' nurse?
Plum
Hi RichPenny....No probs, I didn't take you comments as a critisism or take any offence to them. Any comment's, ideas to make Mtb better and safer for all are most welcome 😉 Happy Mtb'ing.
How long to wait for pics of the pretty nurse?
already posted 🙂
about the 4th post: [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/drama-near-hayfield-today?replies=83 ]http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/drama-near-hayfield-today?replies=83[/url]
Well done to the folks for helping this guy out. Keeping him warm and in good spirits is a really valuable thing to do - potentially stop him going in to shock/passing out etc. Would like to think folk would help me out like that if I needed it.
If I'm to offer some constructive critisism though - first rule of outdoor first aid: assess the whole scene and try to make it safe for everyone, try to make sure nothing further could happen to make the situation worse by getting more injuries. Fact that you had a rider colliding with you suggests maybe you could have done a bit more along those lines to prevent it happening. Could someone have been standing further up slowing riders down? Could someone have been standing in a position to protect the casualty and the first aiders? Could you have tried to get the rider to try walking away from the course a bit?
Wasn't there, so I don't know, but politely suggesting you reflect on that and see if there was anything more you could have done. It's just as important, if not more important than actually giving out the first aid for hopefully obvious reasons.
lecture over.
Could someone have been standing further up slowing riders down?
yes, good point, though in fact all the riders had 100m clear view of the partial obstruction. In future I would post someone to warn them too.
Could you have tried to get the rider to try walking away from the course a bit?
this section is tightly fenced, and from where I was sitting, shielding Chris, I couldn't see the gate only 50m away. Our first aider thought it better not to move him.
I had similar looking injury - turned out to be grade 5 ligament damage to my ac joint - surgery and 9 weeks with my arm strapped to my side.
Hope he gets back on bike soon
Well done to those who looked afte the rider. Been in that kind of situation and it's not nice.
It's worth pointing out that the Air Ambulance is a charity: it is not funded or supported by the government in any way, and relies entirely on donations. Chuck a couple of quid in the tin next time you see one.
It's worth pointing out that the Air Ambulance is a charity
I didn't know that! The flashes on their shoulders said "West Midlands Ambulance Service"
this from Kinder Mountain Rescue:
"Chris sent me a copy of your e-mail and I thought I would give you a bit of background into how things work. When there is an accident there will sometimes be multiple calls to the emergency services, often to both the Police (who take the initial call for Mountain Rescue(MR)) and to the ambulance service - this sometimes leads to a joint response before all the agencies realise they are working on the same task, a lot can be happening in the first 10-15mins.
Because there have been many occasions when an air ambulance has been unable to complete the task on its own (weather, mechanical failure, unable to land or land close enough) it is now standard protocol in our area for a mountain rescue team to be called as well. Even if we are not needed to assist with the casualty we may help other members of the group (sometimes the casualty has the navigational skills for the group) as the air ambulance can only take two people. On this job I received a message to say an air ambulance had also been sent, but it does not change our response.
The following is a link to our callouts section of our website - Callout 20 is an example of where the air ambulance could not land near the casualty who had to be taken down one side of a gully and back up the other side to the helicopter. During this September we have had five callouts so far and the month isn't over yet.
http://kinderdownfall.co.uk/?cat=3
At the moment we don't have the space to keep our Landrovers in our base, and picking them up adds time to our response. We are about to undertake major works so rectify this at a cost of £40,000 - all donations/publicity for this cause would be welcome.
And finally, thank you for taking the time to stop and look after Chris."
It wasn't a race BTW.
